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Old 05-31-2012, 04:14 AM   #1
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POOGS tries to welch on a bet then totally disappears (Resolved - Poogs pays full amount)

Mod edit - This situation has been resolved. Poogs has since paid the full amount as mentioned towards the end of the thread.

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Dont wanna clog up the LC thread but this should be fun...

I have given poogs 2+ weeks already to pay, it seems like he has no intention of paying and has ignored all my emails for 2 weeks. At this point , I may as well call him out and show what kind of scumbag he is and prevent others from doing anything with him..

The bet : Me and Poogs made a side bet for 1000$ that BrianL would finish with a winning record units wise after 150 plays, BrianL finished the bet +7 units and I was declared the winner by the Wiper who was the judge on all matters and poogs suggested we choose.

Escrow : since day 1 , I was pushing to get an escrow going especially with the nature of the bet.. Poogs kept on delaying it for some reason.. I mean how hard is it to put 1k on paypal and escrow it?
There was alot of drama going on here at the time and poogs finally decided to escrow ..

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I just added the money to my paypal acct, it says it will be in there 3-5 days.

twoplustwo went down and we lost contact and I couldnt find a way to get in contact with him , but our bet clearly still stood as that was in our agreement.Brian was around 20+ units for the season at that time.
These were the terms of the bet

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ok, so me and poogs are going to do this for 1000$: Microbob will be the escrow on paypal
Judges will be Wiper, Microbob and a 3rd person since mike ski is biased . in the case we cant find a 3 rd judge , wiper will be the judge

terms of the bet are :

-Brian will list 150 plays here ( he has listed 11 play this far , therefore 139 more to go )
-Plays will be from a .5unit - 3 unit scale
-Poogs stated something about using stale lines or w/e and having the option of voiding the bet. I cant control what brian posts as he doesnt have anything vested in this . so we will use Pinnacle's current line at the time the play is posted on twoplustwo. ( we can use sbrodds or www.oddsfire.com to track the line) matter of fact wiper can keep record If he is ok with it) I can try to ask brian to list his plays at pinny line from here on out too if anything to make things easier, but plays will be verified and corrected by wiper
-Need to also account for some extraordinary events ....:
- In the event brian no longer posts on twoplustwo, we will use his twitter account
for his plays
- In the event he does not post his plays on twitter or decides to stop posting plays
all together, He said he would be open to pm'in me his plays and bets(Or he can message wiper I guess [if wiper accepts] . and we can
track them seperately in a google docs or something.
- In the case Brian vanishes for extraordinary reasons or something. The panel will
decide all outcomes and all decisions are final. (for example if brian is +20 units after 100 plays and somehow disappears , I would be entitled to a % of the bet , or if brian is breakeven after 100 plays , I would loses a % of my bet etc.. [ Again this is extraodinary, but always better to have a contingency plan]

I'm ready to escrow anytime pretty much, and would like to get this started already .
poogs if you accept or have any questions , post in here I guess

Poogs agrees to make Wiper final judge in this post

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looks good. If brian stops posting here the only way I would accept his bets would be through twitter or maybe through wiper, definetly not through PMing you though. btw have you PMd bob about escrow? If wiper is up for it, I wouldnt mind doing everything through him and have the winner ship him like 50 bucks. He can escrow, be the judge and can monitor the lines to make sure theyre accurate at the time of the play.


On to the fun stuff....

I had sent poogs pm's after 2p2 came back with no luck, at this point, the bet had 3 games to go and looked like it was going to be close.. I finally tried the email feature that 2p2 had and somehow poogs responded. at that point BrianL may have been up 8 units or so with maybe less than 7 games remaining . but it was looking like he was going to go 0-4 that day and be only +2 units with 3 games to go. he wound up going 1-3 and the bet was pretty much a lock with 3 games to go.

Here is the convo that occured between email after I sent him an email asking about the escrow.
His messages are Bolded

Yo I haven't been able to get back on 2p2 or get in touch w anyone. I haven't escrowed and I'm not going to...with the forums being down there's no way I can trust the authenticity of the bets. I'm glad you got in touch cuz I didn't want you to think you were getting freerolled. I'm going to be in vegas for the next couple months and won't be able to get on the forums.

I'm sorry and I sincerely hope he loses
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O0o, but wasn't wiper the escrow and the final judge?
Brian is 0-4 as of today and will probably be +2 units....
Ya have Skype or aim or something? Might be easier to communicate


'm in georgia right now on a motorcycle trip...gonna be off the grid for a few days.

If you want, ill keep the bet but for 300 bucks max. There's no way I'm gonna risk 1k with what happened to the forums.

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I know I can't force you to pay or anything. But we had stated in our agreement that wiper was getting all the plays etc... and we both trusted him. I think what you are doing is a bit shady... since the forums went down ... Brian is actually down many units.... so it works to your advantage that the plays count after the forums went dowb



It would have been a lot easier for me to just ignore this and freeroll you. I have no idea what brians record is and I have no way of verifying any plays. I've been scammed on these forums twice and I can't risk any chance of it again.

So either 300 or nothing. I won't be able to escrow it but you have my word for whatever that's worth. Like I said I'm off the grid for about a week so tonight has to be the decision

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ummm, Iam not sure when 2p2 went down but Brian's record was 46-30-1 and plus 21.39 when the forums went down.
since brian went tout he has lost about 14 units...
Again , you say something about verifying plays... we agreed many times that wiper would be the final judge...




also twoplustwo going down has no impact on the bet at all...
ya should create a gimmick account on twoplustwo and post the situation...
u already knew the rules, i already escrowed, and wiper kept track who is very reputable
and as for getting scammed etc.. on twoplustwo.. I have been scammed many times also..
if you post our situation on twoplustwo and ask for opinions everyone will agree that what you are doing is shady..



300 or nothing my friend, your call.
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since you will be away for the next couple of days and in case we can not come to an agreement , wiper suggested that brian holds off on sending you his plays for now...
I'm going to post on twoplustwo and see what the crowd thinks....
Again, we agreed that all plays will be sent to wiper which is why we were paying him...
we will pause the bet . there are only 3 more plays to go...



I don't give a **** what the crowd thinks. I think I'm being perfectly reasonable. 300 bucks or nothing...no way I'm risking 1k with what happened. If you wanna cancel the bet ill give you action on something else down the road. 300 with no escrow or no bet, you decide

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lol, wow that sucks...
I gave you many chances to escrow..
agreeing to 300 is just ******ed on my end..
there are 3 more plays to go..
we will pause the bet until you sort everything out and we get an opinion on 2p2



Alright, no bet.
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I'm going to consider the bet is still ON but PAUSED with 3 more plays to go until you come to your senses...


also fwiw , Assuming tampa bay holds on , brian l would be up around 6-7 units with 3 more plays to go , so the bet is essentially won...



Whatever...if you win the bet ill gladly ship you 300. If I somehow win ill take 300. That's the deal man.
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that extremely shady man, the bet is already pretty much won assuming tampa bay holds on
wiper told me Brian L's record will be xx-yy-zz for +6.39 units
if tampa bay loses , brian will be +2.05 units with 3 more plays to go...


tampa bay won so assuming something crazy happens tomorrow, I think I have it locked up...
We agreed to all the terms before and you agreed that wiper would be the judge since he is trustworthy and reputable....
I really think ya should man up and take the loss. is your reputation worth 700$?
Its really the principle man, what you are doing is borderline scamming.
not to mention that brian L's record was around 22 units when the forums went down.
and 23 units when he went tout..



There's nothing that's gonna change my mind. The whole situation is shady with the forums going down.

You can take the bet for 300 or cancel it
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that makes no sense.
how does the forums going down have anything to do with it?
do you trust wiper or not?
wiper was tracking plays for 1 week on twitter, than brian L went tout last week.
If you were in my situation you would totally demand the bet stays on . we both trusted wiper and we both agreed to the terms...
come on man , you are better than that

Do you trust Wiper?






sent him an email 2 days later


Hey man, according to wiper the bet was resumed and you have lost the bet....
Wiper posted in the thread...
Let me know what you want to do...
Iam trying to be as nice as I can....

I will explain the situation 1 more time... if Brian had been down 10 units or w/e I would have gladly paid you...
We tried to escrow multiple times and you delayed it...
The way you are handling clearly seems like you were trying to freeroll me.
I have been quite on the forums and have not said anything to call you out or anything...
You said you were on some motorcycle trip or whatever.. sooo will give ya couple days to respond before I post our



Alright whatever ill send it...gonna be a few days tho

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This was the last email I received from poogs on may 16th as he finally agreed to pay but has disappeared since and has no responded to any of my emails...
I mean if he really did deposit via paypal, the money should have been there and he could have sent it already, but he clearly was trying to freeroll me all along and is most likely broke.

I sent him 2-3 emails in the past week and sent him a final email 24 hours ago threatning to make a thread as well as getting Admo involved but no response yet...

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Old 05-31-2012, 04:25 AM   #2
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Re: POOGS tries to welch on a bet than totally disappears

This is why we escrow before the bet begins with people we don't know irl I guess.

Poogs, want to tell your side of the story?
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:23 AM   #3
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ugh, reading that pisses me off.

"$300 or nothing"

what a ****ing scumbag. that's really how it is, p00gs? damn.

you know deep down you lost this bet (and if you ever come back I'm sure you'll say 'no I don't know anything for sure' but I kept track of every pick every day like it was my ****ing job when 2p2 was down) and you should pay the man.

if you're traveling and still intend to pay chronic, my bad. but those emails look really bad.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:25 AM   #4
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Maybe he just isn't getting service on his Black Berry at the moment. There is a world out there, you know?
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:08 AM   #5
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Maybe he just isn't getting service on his Black Berry at the moment. There is a world out there, you know?
I do want to believe that but I mean if I owed someone 1k then told him give me a few days to pay and suddenly my service was dead or lost my phone. I would at least try to communicate with the person I owe money to and go to an internet cafe and just send one email...
He has not responded for 2 weeks
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:09 AM   #6
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did you read those emails?

admittedly maybe I'm jumping the gun and poogs is riding across the country. if so, I apologize to him for assuming.
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re: POOGS tries to welch on a bet then totally disappears (Resolved - Poogs pays full amount)

I, for one, am shocked by these developments.

Told ya u was gonna get raped
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:27 AM   #8
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re: POOGS tries to welch on a bet then totally disappears (Resolved - Poogs pays full amount)

What a piece of ****. The guy fancies himself as a professional gambler. But when the bet turns bad (although I don't think it was ever actually a "good" bet), he makes excuses, tries to bully CHRONICFEVER into accepting a bad settlement offer, and finally welches on the bet.

Poogs, make it right. Pay the guy in full and move on with your life.

****. I have no role in this but it is very upsetting to me. I had to put up it reading hundreds of ****ing posts detailing this ******ed bet and now when there should finally be a resolution, it continues.

Maybe wait a few more weeks. And if you don't get a resolution, you can sell the debt to ledoutwbottomset. Maybe he'll find a way to get it paid.
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He's such a baller, but yet he can't pay a 1K bet... gotta love 2p2....
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He's such a baller, but yet he can't pay a 1K bet... gotta love 2p2....
He's one of the best MLB bettors in the world, but yet he sells picks for $449.99 per season rather than make millions betting them himself...gotta love touts....



I'm less optimistic after looking at that coverage map. Unless his bike broke down in the middle of New Mexico or Nevada it is extremely unlikely that he has been without service for this long. Getting rid of Poogs for only 1K does seem like good value though so maybe we should just take up a collection so that ChronicFever doesn't wind up bearing the entire cost of this public good himself.
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re: POOGS tries to welch on a bet then totally disappears (Resolved - Poogs pays full amount)

lol ^^^ nice map
but I highly doubt he has not gotten my messages

the last message he sent was on may 16th


Alright whatever ill send it...gonna be a few days tho

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I sent him a reply 3 minutes later on the same day

Alright, cool...
Can ya give me a time range..


I have not heard from him since
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It really is true. everyone that B00t has problems with ends up disappearing haha
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I'm going to be in vegas for the next couple months and won't be able to get on the forums.
Relax man, he's in vegas. No internet there.
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Well we only have one side of this, but this is completely ****ty looking on poogs behalf at the moment.

I see this story playing out like one of those "switch from cable to direct tv" commericals.
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Getting rid of Poogs for only 1K does seem like good value though so maybe we should just take up a collection so that ChronicFever doesn't wind up bearing the entire cost of this public good himself.
add in the stipulation that if we get chronic paid he has to disappear too and 1k for no poogs no chronic is probably worth it
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why don't people like poogs?

i understand (but don't agree with) the chronic dislike, but what (before this) did poogs ever do?
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He's brash, rude, and lacks introspection (i.e., a Boston sports fan).
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He's one of the best MLB bettors in the world, but yet he sells picks for $449.99 per season rather than make millions betting them himself...gotta love touts....
Thats all you got, Iowa? I'm sure you can do better then that...
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Well he could, but he doesn't want to be a tout
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i laughed, glad to see dodger back on his game.
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haha just saw this.

Poogs gonna Poogs
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re: POOGS tries to welch on a bet then totally disappears (Resolved - Poogs pays full amount)

Ok, Poogs finally emailed me and apologized and sort of gave me a sob story
he said he got scammed for a ton of money or w/e and is very sorry.
He said he WILL pay but is not sure when... Told him I will contact him in 2 weeks and we'll see what happens
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I value my pride and name at an amount over one thousand USD

I made a claim...got called...and will pay if I lose.

I know thats not really the norm around here but hey its how I roll.

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGS
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The plot thickens ...
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Wow. Sry chronic

Being a newb around here. I always though Poggs rep was strong. He was a winning "professional sports bettor"

After reading his chats it seems he is a broke ass and a absolute embarrassment to all gamblers. I mean wtf "im going on a bike ride for a few months and will be out of touch" right logging onto 2+2 from anywhere but the comfy confines of home is completely out of the question.

Then trying to lower the bet to $300. Is he just ****ing with Chronic? Or is he really that pathetic?
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