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08-11-2014 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sfpokerpro
Sites I use.
1. Matchbook - If you're out of the US, this site is pretty much fantastic... I place about 90% of my action here.
e major sports.

I'm curious on my part if anyone knows of any sites similar to matchbook that offer exchange type odds?

BTW, i'm not affiliated with any site, do not sell picks or anything else like that.
Care to fill me in as to why Matchbook appeals to you?
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08-12-2014 , 07:11 AM
From my very casual observation it seems like Sportsbook is slight more player friendly. Bovada's prices seem a touch worse.

Have any of you found this to be the case, in general?
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08-12-2014 , 08:31 PM
Does anyone know of a US sportsbook that's got a good bonus for casual NFL bettors? Bovada last year had a survive the season promotion where if you made $100 bets a week for the whole year you got a $250 bonus.
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08-13-2014 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by skreemer7
Does anyone know of a US sportsbook that's got a good bonus for casual NFL bettors? Bovada last year had a survive the season promotion where if you made $100 bets a week for the whole year you got a $250 bonus.
look for it again this season real soon
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08-13-2014 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr
so most people probably already know this, but i Didnt and so it shocked me. deposited 5k on pinnacle, made a few 50$ bets here and there, want to withdraw.

They dont let me withdraw until I rill over the balance 5 times (i.e make bets totalling 25k$.) there is no way I ever bet that much, now they take 3% fee from me to withdraw. A total, disgusting joke. I am closing my account with them. this is ******ed.
You're disgusted that they are trying to run a profitable business? Any explanation for the 5k deposit when you only wanted to bet 100-200 bucks total?
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08-14-2014 , 07:07 PM
I just stanjamesed at Winner.com. Another completely useless site. I just seen them on oddsportal having best odds for a match. I though the limits would probably be small, but.. created an account and kept entering stakes. It was nice it would give me two error messages. 1) stake is too high enter a lower amount, 2) not enough balance.

So I kept playing with it until I didn't get error message 1. Finally I seen it would take $83 to win $100. Okay why not, I'm not doing anything at the moment and for this market Pinnacle is $300 max bet so I need to hit many sites anyways.

I deposit $83.00. Make the bet and it gives me a ****ing $8.33 to win $10 counter offer!

Cumulative limit - I just tried to bet again and maximum stake has been reached. lol

So frustrating because I checked the limit first.
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08-18-2014 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tipp86II
Care to fill me in as to why Matchbook appeals to you?
Sure, sorry, should have mentioned the odds are awesome...

For example, if a standard line is -110 for either side in football/nba on bovada, the same line might be -105 / +104 before the game starts. You do pay 1% commission on your wager (see their rules for full details) but that is minor versus paying full juice or even vs -105 reduced lines. You'll save ~3-4% of your bet amount give or take which really adds up.

If you are betting the dog wait until the game is about to go off for best odds. For favorites i'll shop lines and bet fairly early.

As always though, I think the more reputable books you have the better (depending how serious you are) to shop lines. The savings really add up over time and can easily be the difference between winning and breaking even, or for most breaking even and losing, etc...
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08-18-2014 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PropPlayer
I just stanjamesed at Winner.com. Another completely useless site. I just seen them on oddsportal having best odds for a match. I though the limits would probably be small, but.. created an account and kept entering stakes. It was nice it would give me two error messages. 1) stake is too high enter a lower amount, 2) not enough balance.

So I kept playing with it until I didn't get error message 1. Finally I seen it would take $83 to win $100. Okay why not, I'm not doing anything at the moment and for this market Pinnacle is $300 max bet so I need to hit many sites anyways.

I deposit $83.00. Make the bet and it gives me a ****ing $8.33 to win $10 counter offer!

Cumulative limit - I just tried to bet again and maximum stake has been reached. lol

So frustrating because I checked the limit first.
What do you think is going on behind the scenes there? Does their software systematically show too high of a limit before deposit and then lower it, in an effort to get those sweet $83 deposits? And what would be the point of having a $10 max bet for anything anyway?

Or is your name on a list of sharps that gets shared between books?
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08-18-2014 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Slap My Jack
Bovada will cancel your winning bets and leave you with your losing bets if you win too much.
Is this true? I'm just starting to throw a few bets down on Bovada, I play poker mainly.
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08-18-2014 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rakeme
Is this true? I'm just starting to throw a few bets down on Bovada, I play poker mainly.
I don't know this too be true (well maybe - see lower in this post). Maybe OP can share an example of public complaint on this?

They have always had two sets of odds. The popular teams have worst odds and their opponent bettor. As soon as someone shows they have a clue and bets the better ones without touching the bad ones, they change them to the other set of odds going forward (ones bet already still stand). Opinions on the ethics of this vary but same juice for both sets of odds and you can bet what it is presented to you or don't.

From there they do sometimes limit and had some history of using delays for the true sharps. For years though it was hit or miss. Some accounts up mid 5 figures were fine and could keep betting.

Around the time they branched out and started taking Canadians, then started a UK site. They got much more tight. Players were getting limited quickly. This seems to have changed now. But there limits for everyone period are smaller than they have been in the past ($250 to $500 max bets on a lot of games - some of which were $1K/$2K before).

I'm not sure if they still use this or if they just have limited those players but years ago they had delays. Sharp players would try making a bet and it would give them a wait to be accepted. And then come back often with line moved do you want to take it etc. It seems most the people on this delay were very old accounts. These days phone betting is not popular and very few sites use this tactic (it was something players dealt with 10 years ago way way way more often than now). I'd be curious if anyone on Bovada still has a delay as I don't think they use this tactic anymore - because don't have this huge office full of phone reps like they had back then to process those.

The only ghost in their closet type complaints about Bovada to my knowledge is there were some live betting disputes years ago (this might be what OP is referring to). The accusation was that some in-play bets were getting voided as past post (this happens everywhere), but that they were doing this only for the winning ones (pushing them) and letting the losing ones stand. I didn't see hard evidence of this (as in 2 players showing betting slips on an exact market to confirm), but tons of people chimed into say they never had a losing bet be voided as being a past post only losing ones in their history of using that platform. At the time of these complaints Bovada (then Bodog) was one of the few US sites offering in-pay betting on plays (next play run or pass, things like that) not many other sites had that system (WWTS did previously and I think that might even have been what it was based off). Never to my knowledge was resolved, no hard proof to blast them, but from players post did seem likely it was happening (these were small max bets on in-play props - thus didn't get big attention but did on some forums). Did it happen? Probaby, but also not a lock. Were to blame, or the provider? I don't know.. but they denied it and nothing damning enough got posted to blow the topic up enough for widespread attention. (this is off memory only fwiw, it was years ago and I might be remembering some details wrong).

That's what I know about this site. Most people betting there have no problems at all, they don't draw lots of complaints and generally pretty active on forums and can chase someone down and get whatever need to resolved quickly enough. Sometimes needed as their actual support department which in the day was awesome generally answering in half a ring, or emailing back in minutes, and was good (clear English, worked in Canada) has went downhill and is now to the low standard of most other sites.
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08-18-2014 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by parttimepro
What do you think is going on behind the scenes there? Does their software systematically show too high of a limit before deposit and then lower it, in an effort to get those sweet $83 deposits? And what would be the point of having a $10 max bet for anything anyway?

Or is your name on a list of sharps that gets shared between books?
Not sure. I suppose it is possible that I'm listed. I got limits of like $14 at BWIN as soon as I signed up and they would never budge. That's for everything even English Premier League, and was similar at Stan James. So yeah I guess that is potentially why, I didn't think of sites sharing data as the reason, I thought maybe they just did it for my country. I do think though these sites tend to offer a lot of lines and just want to get people in the door that maybe use their casino or play poker.
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08-18-2014 , 07:33 PM
Thanks for the detailed response. Yeah, I did notice earlier I could only bet $500 max on the Royals but for another game I could bet $2000. It won't be a problem for me, though, since I'm only betting $10-20 a game.
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08-19-2014 , 07:39 AM
The second bet I made at winner.com I was countered with a $1.70 max bet. Maybe my starting $10 max to win amount has been cut.
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08-19-2014 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sfpokerpro
If you are betting the dog wait until the game is about to go off for best odds. For favorites i'll shop lines and bet fairly early.
This doesn't seem right.
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08-19-2014 , 09:59 AM
I'm 2-0 at winner.com.

Max bet on first wager was $8.33 to win $10. Max on second was $10 to win $1.70. I think maybe I'll keep going till they cut me off.
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08-21-2014 , 02:48 AM
My third bet at Winner.com was $0.75 max bet. It keeps getting lower. I'd need to go order a bank statement at my bank in person paying $6, then scan it email it to them etc. Not really worth my time to spend the hour that would take. So, took my $94 balance to their casino, and martingale was not a success. So that's that with them.
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08-21-2014 , 05:42 PM
propplayer, keep putting in those $1 bets. grind out those 2 cents in EV. it will add up
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08-21-2014 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sfpokerpro
Sure, sorry, should have mentioned the odds are awesome...

For example, if a standard line is -110 for either side in football/nba on bovada, the same line might be -105 / +104 before the game starts. You do pay 1% commission on your wager (see their rules for full details) but that is minor versus paying full juice or even vs -105 reduced lines. You'll save ~3-4% of your bet amount give or take which really adds up.

If you are betting the dog wait until the game is about to go off for best odds. For favorites i'll shop lines and bet fairly early.

As always though, I think the more reputable books you have the better (depending how serious you are) to shop lines. The savings really add up over time and can easily be the difference between winning and breaking even, or for most breaking even and losing, etc...
Is there anything about the site itself that you like or dislike outside of the odds/commission that are available?
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08-22-2014 , 11:44 AM
Anyone have experience withdrawing from betonline AG?

Looking at their bank wire, Western Union or Moneygram option. If anyone has any withdrawal experience from them, please let me know what it was like. Thanks.
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08-22-2014 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PropPlayer
I'm 2-0 at winner.com.

Max bet on first wager was $8.33 to win $10. Max on second was $10 to win $1.70. I think maybe I'll keep going till they cut me off.

made me smile
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08-26-2014 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
This doesn't seem right.
Not always, but on average it seems to be the case more times than not for the sports i bet heavily (mlb, nba).
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08-26-2014 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Tipp86II
Is there anything about the site itself that you like or dislike outside of the odds/commission that are available?
Pros (besides the great odds)

-Reporting and queries are pretty nice - you can run reports by sport etc
-Customer service chat is readily available and friendly / intelligent
-Plenty of markets across many sports
-Amount of $ available is typically enough for me (if you're a high roller you might run into issues) at really good prices
-Easy to deposit and cashout
-Website is easy to navigate - I like the dropdown features on the right showing matched wagers, pending etc
-The overall concept of punter vs punter eliminates stress / worrying about getting limits reduced, problems collecting etc. The site just focuses on providing great software and liquidity and keeping their risk free 1%. Seems to be great for everyone


Cons

-I've had a few minor issues with placing wagers then they weren't listed in reports, wagers not getting settled properly etc...usually these got worked out, not major given the number of wagers/$ placed. This was really rare though and probably small bugs related to upgrades or something. Bottom line is run a report for the wagers you place and check them over. If you have any doubts take a screenshot and /or record the wager numbers etc. Also it's best to keep a tally of wins/losses and tie out versus the site separately in excel if you have the time and your wagers are significant.

-Live markets tend to seem to jump a lot and update really quickly. Can be somewhat difficult to bet. Also not many live markets in general for american sports. I'd love to be able to bet more live markets on mb

-Not many props / futures markets if that's your thing

-No preseason for many sports
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08-30-2014 , 08:18 PM
Very cool move on Pinnacle's part. 2 weeks after the fact they regraded a volleyball bet from a loss to a win. I thought it lost too, because the score posted on odds portal (plus I guess the official site I didn't check) had it as a loss, but there was an error. If they didn't regrade it I'd never had known because it was just a classification game with little meaning.
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08-30-2014 , 10:22 PM
propplayer how did you cap a volleyball game? seems almost impossible to do??
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08-31-2014 , 07:59 PM
It is actually probably one of the easiest to handicap if actually having data. The problem is there is virtually no interest, and it is time consuming to even just figure out rosters. Sometimes teams will be playing in two different locations on the same night. Other times there is a major tournament but for the heck of it they field their junior team.

The odds are pretty much mechanical but limits are small and bookies are lazy. Interesting though you can bet more on Philippines college volleyball (due to betting being legal there and it having coverage - so the bookmakers have prices) than you can what should be important tournaments with national teams.

Same too for Korea volleyball can bet more because is a legal tote. That's actually had I first got into it, because that tote despite huge takeout was easy to beat. But now I'm just really deep into it and also like watching the sport. While I could say this just because I like the market, I wouldn't advice anyone to really focus on it. It is super time consuming and I'm years deep on it. Knowing what I know now I couldn't imagine wanting to go back and start fresh.
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