Sign up for both now imo then wait. Past two years just before football started both had a 100% up to $300 free play bonus promoted when logging into account.

They are related sites same customer service, office etc.

If you don't have a Bovada account I would do their bonus first though, it is only 50% free play but is much lower (3-times) rollover.

What's happening with justbet? Lots of hushmouthed rumors floating aroud about Cris taking over, but nobody seems willing to say much. If it's Bookmaker that's no issue, but I have 5 figs that I would really not like to see sent to Wagerweb, or just flat out betislandsed.

They lost all processing a few weeks back - some trusted players could still deposit but fresh sign ups could not. It wasn't the first time either, on opening weekend of NFL last season they had no credit card processing period.

Minet commented in the SBR thread and should be credible on this topic. All I know is about the processing issues and that they gave key affiliates a heads up on those.

Explains why jb had no withdrawal options listed for past 2 weeks. I emailed bookmaker and they seem to want to play dumb

"Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting us.

We have not received any confirmation about this information , however when we have a new company to be part of our network, we assume all balances , etc, That way for the costumer wont make any difference who owes the company. However as I mentioned is information that is not confirmed."


What are the chances this comes rollover free assuming it is bookmaker, and why are they bailing out justbet?

Glad my balance is safe, and I at least have high golf limits again for the time being despite it being ****ty bookmaker lines. Otherwise this pretty much sucks. If I wanted bookmaker's lines I would bet at bookmaker. Offshore for US players is sadly just about dead. US govt pretty much accomplished what they wanted. The whole market for US players is basically just growing into just bookmaker and their full juice on everything, ****ty teaser prices, and 20c baseball lines which sucks minus safety of funds. Haven't played at dsi in a while. Went there to see if they still offer dimelines. I was disappointed. What is the point of having 3 books that offer the exact same lines now? There's not a thing unique about any of them now.

Thanks for the reply, PropPlayer. Bovada claimed that because the wager amount was "0 that I would be refunded "0" as if the bonus was not a form of currency. The odd thing was that almost every response said something different from offering a reload bonus "for my inconvenience" to telling me that the win amount would be refunded, before ultimately deciding that they were keeping my free bet. It pretty much felt like they didn't have an official policy so, when in doubt, refund nothing. I imagine that there isn't much recourse other than taking my action elsewhere.

I know when pinny left the us market in 2006, many ppl said offshore was dead. But still usa players could bet at thegreek. Then once thegreek left, many said offshore is pretty much no more. As im aware, the only us serving books left that are good are 5dimes, heritage and bookmaker. Bookmaker is the only professional us book left. But they have 20 cent lines for mlb which is very tough to beat. Also you can get big amounts down on these wagers assuming you are betting on a major sports. 5dimes allow 5k wagers and bookmaker allows the same or more than that.


The problem now though is without neteller, its hard to move money around offshore as a us player. Depositing is a huge hassle. However, if one wants to get big amounts offshore, bookmaker allows you to do a bank wire deposit and there is no limit. 5dimes one can deposit as much money as they want by buying $1000 money orders from the postal service and then fedexing the m.o to them. And even credit card deposits are useless unless you are someone just depositing 500 dollars for fun and thus not useful for anyone that is serious.


I'm also aware 5dimes cashout options are pretty good. They can send multiple checks to you. The same can be said about bookmaker and bookmaker allows wire withdrawals as well and one can withdraw up to 50k at a time if im not mistaken though the withdraw fees are pretty big though thats the cost of doing business.


Why do people say offshore sportsbetting is dead in the us? To me, offshore sportsbetting would be dead if the most money you can deposit at one time is that ridiculous $2000 by western union which would be useless for anyone that does it for a living. But with m/o deposit and bank wire deposit option with no limits, why do ppl say offshore is dead? Is it b/c they cannot play at pinny and bet on the best lines in the world? Thus even though you can bet 5k or 10k on an event on bookmaker, you laying the -110 as oppose to -105? Even if that is true, 5dimes gives you reduced juice of -105 and $500 limits and you can rebet them. I do know that people who know what they are doing get limited on their reduced juice which makes it useless for them.



If this is true, why do ppl bet in vegas into -110 lines? Obviously the convience of making wagers and collecting money is easy, but still you have to overcome the -110. Why do many sports bettors bet in vegas as oppose to just betting offshore and getting better odds?



If thegreek still served usa residents, would offshore sportsbetting in the us still be live?

Trust

What do you mean by that?

No. The Greek has become a worthless out now that The Greek is in jail.

I read through many forums that the euro books like bet365 and william hill limit players immediately after placing a few bets. I have seen the odds on these books and i notice that you could arb quite a bit with this book such as getting a side +150 when you could bet the other side at another book -145. Thus you arbing it risk free. I have a few questions about these euro books.



1. How fast does one get limited? I read that many people mention that after 5-6 wagers, they get their limits to basically nothing. I also heard some ppl mention that some of these ppl are not arbing and still have it happen. Does anyone know why?


2. How many eurobooks are there with the same odds with bet365 and william hill? I don't mind getting money into these books and basically do arbs with that book and another book such as pinny/matchbook and if i get limited, then i go and use the other euro books. I heard bwin is another eurobook. But do bet365, william hill and bwin all have the same odds?



3. My plan would be just arb everything i see and max bet it at the eurobook and then arb it the other side to scalp. How many of these eurobooks can i do this with? Thus i would want to do this with william hill then bet365 and then whatever sportsbook skin there is. I assuming if you bet the max on these soft lines you will get limited very fast but if you just bet smaller then you can go on?

bet365 will limit you almost instantly. This plan has a short life span. Do something else like mowing lawns.

Well I don't mind getting a few bets in before that happens. Thus do 2-3 wagers and get limited then i just withdraw the money and then use another book.


How many books can one do this? Bet365, william hill.... and which other ones?

crestfoxxxxxxx

you can extend the "durability" of you eurobookie accounts if you avoid making obvious surebets (no ,xx bets, use bet sizes recreationals would use)

some eurobookies:
bet-at-home (doesn´t limit players, but ridiculous vig... but if you find some useful odds there you´re good to go )
bet365 (fast limits, but very extensive betting offer)
betvictor (sometimes very good odds, but also fast limitation)
bwin (trash bookie, very fast limitation...)
interwetten (they always manage to miss market moves -> paradise for arbs
... but very fast limits -> trash bookie)
mybet (bad odds, fast limitation)
sportingbet
tipico (probably one of the best euro bookies, accounts last very long compared to other euro bookies... odds are unfortunately not very competitive)
unibet (limitation will happen, but still possible to use for some time


there are several more euro bookies, but just wanted to give you a few to start with

I've been playing with *******.com..

A buddy of mine has been for over a year and loves it, I like the automatic payment processing on Tuesdays. Always have a check in hand that Friday...a lot of options to bet on, not many bonuses though (they are mostly BS anyways)

You goto the site sign up, get emailed info to log on to their sistersite and your G2G.

Is there any book that allows US player to make bets from a mobile device?

I want to do this for low-stakes recreational bets. I want to be able to pull out my iphone at the bar and throw $50 on the riveting Chiefs-Panthers game. Is this possible?

bookmaker. bovada too i believe

those two have apps, if you just access the internet (say, using safari on an iphone), why WOULDN'T you be able to access any site?

I was under the impression they opened in some sort of desktop client similar to the stars software. Thats not the case?

It is just a website - log in is not different then logging into a forum. Should be able to use most any online sportsbook with most mobile devices.

Ok great. I am a complete noob.

Are any sites better than others for someone like me just looking to spew around $100-200 an NFL weekend? US resident. I read through the faq, but I'm not particularly concerned with sharp vs. square lines or anything too intensive. Main concerns are accessibility, usability, and some reasonable expectation of being able to cash out if I ever bink.

Probably Bovada would be your best choice. They cater to low stakes recreational betters.

Full disclosure: this user has been PM-spamming other users about this site because he's an affiliate. Here's a copy of the PM.

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