04-21-2013 , 04:06 AM
Hemstock are you comparing the same league, market and timing? Easiest would be to just compare. If are limited there is very easy to get around because can get second accounts there and also get multiple site accounts that clone SBO.

I haven't yet seen personal limits there. I thought I did not too long ago, but turned out the reduction was for everyone on that market.
04-21-2013 , 04:47 PM
For pinnacle sports wrt soccer/football betting where the line says "Total goals: Over 2.5 and 3" -- They also offer "over 3" which is eactly the same as over 2.5 as 2.5 or more is 3 goals or more. Over 3 = 3 goals or more but yet the odds are better.
04-22-2013 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker
Over 3 = 3 goals or more
The quoted part is not correct. When betting Over 3, if it scores exactly 3 your bet is a push (break even). (less than 3 a loss - over 3 a win).
04-22-2013 , 01:56 PM
yeah sorry, was a typo but they still have like over 2 @ 1.5 and then over 2.5 @ 1.8 which are the exact same bet but yet different odds....
04-27-2013 , 04:37 PM
No, that is the same example. They are not the same.

If you bet over 2 and it scores exactly 2 you break even (nothing won / nothing lost).

If you bet over 2.5 and it scores exactly 2 you lose your full stake.
04-27-2013 , 06:14 PM
i meant to put over "1.5" and then "over 1.5 and 2"

i emailed support and they said its like a handicap, so for "over 1.5 and 2", half the bet is on "over 1.5" and the other half on "over 2" = the same (2 goals or more). But they also offer "over 1.5" at lower odds.
04-27-2013 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker
i meant to put over "1.5" and then "over 1.5 and 2"

i emailed support and they said its like a handicap, so for "over 1.5 and 2", half the bet is on "over 1.5" and the other half on "over 2" = the same (2 goals or more). But they also offer "over 1.5" at lower odds.
you still don't get it...

of course they offer "over 1.5" at lower odds because you win FULL if there are exactly 2 goals in the game

BUT
if you bet "over 1.5 and 2 (or over 1.75)" you just win HALF if there are exactly 2 goals scored in the game...

AND

if you just bet on "over 2" you push your bet and your stake is refunded if there are exactly 2 goals scored in the game

Last edited by PropPlayer; 04-28-2013 at 09:34 AM.
04-28-2013 , 12:39 AM
lol ok

Last edited by PropPlayer; 04-28-2013 at 09:35 AM.
04-28-2013 , 03:48 PM
Greetings!

We received your withdrawal request. However, your withdrawal request has been rejected due to the fact that you must complete the mandatory two-time rollover required (Rollover amounts for each wager are based on the least amount of risk or win in each selection). Your total roll over (including the last deposits) is \$1552 and you have completed \$624.

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Customer Service
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Can the ppl with experience regarding this pls clarify this for me? I haven't applied for any bonuses, sign ups, etc and only have a reduced juice option which I'm assuming is there for everyone. Why am I having to wager twice what I have deposited?? Pinny does not have any restrictions like this. This is bs that I can't withdraw my own money even after having wagered my deposit once. And I'm pretty sure I've bet more than the amt that is being claimed here. WTF?!?
04-28-2013 , 04:24 PM
It is pretty standard within the industry to apply rollover to dep amount before wd'ing. Pinnacle is probably more of an exception. Not sure it is to prevent money laundering or just to cover processing costs but 2x is about standard (mabe even on the low side).

Keep in mind that if you be \$500 on a -500 play, you will only generate \$100 towards your rollover.
05-04-2013 , 07:47 AM
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To bet with your bonus, play through the amount of your qualifying deposit once on the sports and markets of your choice. You will need to rollover your deposit and bonus 3 times prior to making a withdrawal.
bet365 quote above from T&C's for the £200 open account offer, does this mean that you would have to roll over 3x£200 or 3x£400 (200 initial deposit and 200 bonus) before being able to withdraw?
05-04-2013 , 01:37 PM
It is deposit+bonus, so 3x£400.

It is one of the best bonus, because is a cash bonus. I'm pretty sure as long as odds are 1.50 or higher the amount staked covers the rollover.

Also, initially it shows as a bonus balance separately. So if you're looking to bet 300 on a game with a 200 bonus balance, you need to use two separate tickets. But it is in fact cash. When you win the bonus stake is returned to balance as cash as are the winnings.
05-05-2013 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PropPlayer
Hemstock are you comparing the same league, market and timing? Easiest would be to just compare. If are limited there is very easy to get around because can get second accounts there and also get multiple site accounts that clone SBO.

I haven't yet seen personal limits there. I thought I did not too long ago, but turned out the reduction was for everyone on that market.
Yeah my mistake. Especially limits for events on the same day go up a ton.
05-07-2013 , 07:00 PM
I am thinking about joining 5dimes in a bit. Anything in particular I need to know about Depositing, Bonuses, Withdrawals etc? Thanks in advance. (US customer, planning to use debit card)
05-07-2013 , 09:19 PM
Do not take a bonus, the default option is reduced juice. Just in the time it takes to meet rollover your EV is better with reduced juice, plus is ongoing and doesn't carry bonus rollover requirement.

Regardless of rewards package, 5Dimes requires deposits are rolled over two-times in order to cash out of their site.

Free withdrawal if have had no withdrawals in the past 30 days, and request on Monday from 9AM to 1PM (New York Time Zone). This is only free if the method used had a fee of \$40 or less, otherwise it is a \$40 credit towards - details here here
05-07-2013 , 10:59 PM
Thanks, could you explain the specifics of the reduced juice? Also, is 5dimes the best choice? I was leaning to Bovada before but I was indecisive, now I think im set on 5dimes
05-07-2013 , 11:16 PM
instead of paying -110 you'll pay -105. 5dimes is the better choice, you have a better chance to win there. if you take a payout, it will be probably be a bit smoother with 5dimes as well. both are some of the more secure books around, and less likely to fold than some smaller outfits
05-07-2013 , 11:26 PM
ok cool. so I will get that reduction with all bets? if so that is awesome. Im hoping to sign up tomorrow. Also for threads on advice/sportsbetting review should I look at it by sport or what?
05-07-2013 , 11:40 PM
There is a reduced juice tab. It is only available on the day of the game for many sports. You need to click this in the wagering menu as opposed to straight bet. Here you'll find the better odds.

A reason behind separate tabs is when starting reduced juice will have a \$500 max on many markets. On the standard tab you can place unlimited max bets at the regular juice (which is still often competitive).

As a US player, if you are going to use one book only I'd suggest 5Dimes. Bovada would be good second choice for their bonus (wait until you can deposit enough to get the max if needed) and you can then shop only betting at Bovada the times their lines are better than what 5Dimes is offering (semi-rare- but when the case the house advantage will likely be small).
05-08-2013 , 08:53 PM
For 5dimes what are the best ways to withdraw? You can get it send directly to your debit account after the first time, correct?
05-09-2013 , 04:00 AM
Western Union / MoneyGram

I don't understand the second question.
05-09-2013 , 11:16 AM
Prop- are there any plans for your site to add a review on Alliance anytime soon?
05-09-2013 , 11:47 AM
Last I had known they were invite only which made it low priority. I know a bit about them, but only as hearsay. Any review I could give now probably wouldn't be fair, but at some point will dig and write one. Not sure if this will be soon though.
05-11-2013 , 01:19 PM
does anyone know any online books that are reliable and offering action on nfl win totals for next year?
05-15-2013 , 08:13 AM
I would thrash Bovada every chance you get, despite the stale belated lines they release and the constant negative changes of the lines while you are betting them I take every chance I can to beat this place.

They have bounced checks and taken 2 months to pay repeatedly. I also built a case for collusion in their poker games, and the "investigator" said he would look into it yet understood nothing about the hh's I sent him. When I mentioned the 2 guys were still playing together, he said they couldn't respond with any details, but he promised they did a thorough investigation and wjatever they concluded was confidential. Total scam site, hard to beat their square lines and hustling ways, but money won off this site is twice as sweet due to their coniving ways.

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