For those who aren't familiar with this guy, he's Pregame.com's flagship tout. Pregame is RJ Bell's web site. Everyone knows touts are con artists but, for whatever reason, in August 2015 Pregame decided to bring in a respectable 3rd party to track all of his picks. If you want details you can read more on their site but IMO it's legitimate. The guy tracking it doesn't do him any favors.

COMPTRBOB tracks YTD profit/loss in terms of units (-110 base odds) but it's not the easiest to follow. And since they reset every January 1st you can't immediately see the overall profit/loss from the beginning.

So I scraped it. The tracking starts on page 4 of the thread. The thread is in the "Everything Else" forum. The previous guy who tracked Fezzik's results, who was apparently shady enough that they brought in this guy, left with a +22.01 YTD profit. I zero it out at that point and go forward.



That's +41.52 units over 4 years and change from Pregame's best. He was in the red as recently as July of this year. So remember that if you ever feel the urge to pay these people for picks. God knows how much people lost once you include what they paid Fezzik and RJ Bell.

In fairness, breaking even at -110 probably does put Fezzik in the upper echelons of the tout world, but after four years I think we can put to rest the myth, too often sold to casual sports bettors, that Steve Fezzik is sharp. Actual professionals bettors are fat guys you've never heard of. They aren't salesmen with greasy hair, web sites, and radio shows.

His record is also propped up by PreGames dubious grading standards and heavily weighted low limit stuff like WNBA, Canadian Football, and player props. Dude is a big fat fraud.

I used to listen to the dream preview podcast and really liked fezzik’s insights. The reason I stopped listening was RJ treated him like ****.


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https://deadspin.com/how-america-s-f...=1547656112228

Don't remember but pretty sure this article covered that

Pregame's normal bet tracking is a scam but this Fezzik tracking is separate. Fezzik texts all his "service" plays to Bob and Bob only grades them if the lines are available in the wild. Of course they get steamed up in no time because he's telling hundreds if not thousands of morons to hammer WNBA 2H lines, but that is the best we can do. Bob is a retired engineer who appears to know what a scam this guy is. I read through a bit of the thread and multiple times I saw him refuse to grade action because the line wasn't available. It's the only thing I'm comfortable trusting in this scam world.

He might be a good contest player but people here are smart enough to know what a standard error is. Two Supercontests is 170 picks IIRC.

The 2016 Deadspin article is a great read. It was updated in 2019 after their settlement with RJ Bell.

at this point, all the info is out there about him and RJ bell and the whole thing. If youre still paying PRE-GAME TOUTS for picks in 2019, I think its on you.

While I appreciate your efforts, please stop propagating false information. That Pregame Record is not accurate.

Thank you.

Like I said above, this is separate from Pregame's normal grading system, which is inaccurate. This tracking is done by hand by a neutral 3rd party. If you have an issue with something else you'll have to explain why.

I know it's separate and it is still inaccurate. Not sure what I need to explain as this is pretty well known.

lol okay thanks.

why do these guys feel the need to defend their scummy behaviour?

no actually you do need to explain it. The OP has made his point more than once and pretty clearly that its a record checked by a legit third party. If you think its wrong than you need to provide evidence. So sick of these little drive-by posts

STFU, the idiot OP shouldn't be creating threads defending some POS Tipster w/out at least doing some basic fact checking.

I repeat, the record the OP quoted is total garbage. I can't stand Tipsters and do my best to ignore them, it just so happens I happen to know about Fezz's BS record.

lol in what world is this thread defending him??

By quoting, or should I say , misquoting Fezz's BS record.

No one knows what his real "record," is but it sure as **** isn't +42 units.

If the OP just perused the Fezz thread over at PG, he would realize that Fezz has been given credit for plays that were never proofed and I'm not talking about the 26-unit Headstart he got upon the inception of new tracking.

There are other Proofing issues but that is damning enough evidence right there.

I repeat, Fezz's record is garbage.

Buchdahl literally does this as a profession and wrote an entire book on the subject. FFS. Does anyone even bet professionally?

Great Guy.

Once again, not true. Please stop disseminating false information.

Good stuff. Hopefully you understand that I erased the +22 unit start when Bob's tracking began. First you decided that I'm defending Steve Fezzik, but now I'm misquoting his record, which is also defending him, or something.

I'm gonna pass on digging through that 200 page thread to argue with this guy. I'm mostly here for the Google index anyway. I'm not going to claim I read all 200 pages but I did read quite a bit. I saw several instances of Bob refusing plays because he didn't receive a text before the game started, and of Bob changing the line to what was available in the real world rather than the number Fezzik quoted. I didn't see any examples of Fezzik being given the benefit of the doubt, much less free units. Some posters pop in occasionally to yell at clouds. Usually they think his podcast picks should be scored or something like that.

His "real record" for the purpose of this is his service plays on Pregame. It's done out in the open so they can't hide losers. If you have a credible example of a loser being excluded, someone bringing it to light, and Bob refusing to grade it, please share it.

And if you want to believe his record is actually worse that's fine with me. Winning an argument with GameBred isn't the priority here. I think future people who stumble upon this thread can see that Steve Fezzik isn't a sharp so that's good enough.

P.S. They banned me from posting over there. I was going to update the plot every so often in the actual thread. No surprise.

How about you go find a line that wasn't available? If it's so obvious and "well known" it shouldn't take you long. Otherwise take a break from accusing me with your nonsense.

Dear Moron,

I post at the same forum as the, "Independent Third Party Proofer," and he is on the record stating that he doesn't check them all. I'm not accussing you of being full of s**t, I'm telling you that you are.

https://forums.eog.com/index.php?thr...7460032/page-8

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Are we done now? Just do some basic homework before you start threads about things you don't understand.

P.S. My bad, I figured it would be, "well known," to guys on forums who start threads about Fezz's record.

You most certainly are.

Good, cause you’d lose and already lost.

I was talking about non-proofed winners being included. I don’t follow these guys at all, I happen to know this stuff by happenstance and yet your creating threads about it but don’t know anything about it.

That's fair. I'll concede a bit then. I'm not sure if you understand this but I'm making the argument that Steve Fezzik is not good at sports betting, so showing that he's actually worse than I thought would be okay with me.

I'll wait for your examples of bad lines being graded. Any post now. Or you can hang out and call me names lol

gamebred,

How do you feel about the accusation that only incel weirdos care about people posting tip threads on the internet?

JFC, this is Fezz's calling card and there have been hundreds of examples of it over the years. Not even going to waste my time looking for such examples.