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02-16-2014 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
I'm liking all this drama surrounding Cormier and Cummins. Good move by Cummins imo to attract attention to himself, now I want to see him fight Cormier. Ldo, Cormiers wrestling is better than Cummins as if it wasn't it would have been Cormier rotating in on Cummins during the preparation for the olympics and not vice versa. Still good move by him to garner a bit of a name for himself even before stepping in the octagon.

I disagree with yoyobo, I think Cormiers wrestling has transitioned just fine to MMA wrestling (not the best, but definitely top 10). He never gets taken down and he's been able to controll all his fights thanks to his base.
tbh I think this banter back and forth is purely a work to try and save the PPV numbers. Cormier didn't really sell it as he's too good of a person and typically the ones that really are good fighters (like cormier) aren't good smack talkers, because they don't need to be.
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02-16-2014 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yoyobo
Hmmm, Matt brown vs Eric Silva?

Think that is a great fight! Only problem is it may not get Matt where he wants to go. Also if Eric wins, they are going to throw him right back into top 10 guys.

Also think a declining Kos could work, or mike Pyle.

He has so many options that work, ufc better not screw this one up.
This would make me sick but I'd expect it to happen. No wonder the UFC hates Matt Brown... they put him in vs. Mike Swick (3-1 fav) who is making a great storyline comeback after a year off with sickness and who is a household name. Brown knocks his block off. Sends him to retirement. UFC from a business standpoint would have wanted it the other way.

Stephen Thompson- Wonder boy with a lot of flair and cool moves. 3-1 fav They used Browns durable reputation and hoped he'd be a human highlight reel for Thompsons ko. Didn't happen and the hype got fizzled.

Jordan Mein- A good looking kid who becomes a 3-1 fav. over Brown based off his win vs. a finished Dan Miller. Here's a kid that Rogan by his commentary thinks is 3 fights away from Anderson Silva. Brown gives him a beating so bad that he begged the ref to make him stop. There goes another marketable pretty face.

Pyle- Since the up and comers can't beat him lets give him an experienced vet who in the gym has gotten the better of Brown. Brown demonstrates his dribbling ability with his head.

Fact is the UFC doesn't like Matt Brown and would love to use his rep as a fighter to springboard a good looking or talented kid to the top instead of just giving him what's rightfully his. Only after he beats 6 straight guys does he get a top 10 fighter.

A pretty boy like Eric Silva gets 2 top 10 fighters in his first 4 fights. Something ain't right here. T.J Grant is about to feel how Browns being feeling.

It's a shame that Brown will have to be a gatekeeper... Brown ITD is a lock vs. this kid... yet I'll enjoy the odds that they offer.
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02-16-2014 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
tbh I think this banter back and forth is purely a work to try and save the PPV numbers. Cormier didn't really sell it as he's too good of a person and typically the ones that really are good fighters (like cormier) aren't good smack talkers, because they don't need to be.
I don't know about this. Either we have a conspiracy where White told these guys what to say, or Cummins saw this as a way to get in to the UFC by talking trash and hyping himself. I think it's the latter until proven otherwise. Though Cummins might not be that kind of person and perhaps he apologises to cormier behind closed doors and it's all a charade by him. We won't know that till someone close speaks up though.

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This would make me sick but I'd expect it to happen. No wonder the UFC hates Matt Brown... they put him in vs. Mike Swick (3-1 fav) who is making a great storyline comeback after a year off with sickness and who is a household name. Brown knocks his block off. Sends him to retirement. UFC from a business standpoint would have wanted it the other way.

Stephen Thompson- Wonder boy with a lot of flair and cool moves. 3-1 fav They used Browns durable reputation and hoped he'd be a human highlight reel for Thompsons ko. Didn't happen and the hype got fizzled.

Jordan Mein- A good looking kid who becomes a 3-1 fav. over Brown based off his win vs. a finished Dan Miller. Here's a kid that Rogan by his commentary thinks is 3 fights away from Anderson Silva. Brown gives him a beating so bad that he begged the ref to make him stop. There goes another marketable pretty face.

Pyle- Since the up and comers can't beat him lets give him an experienced vet who in the gym has gotten the better of Brown. Brown demonstrates his dribbling ability with his head.

Fact is the UFC doesn't like Matt Brown and would love to use his rep as a fighter to springboard a good looking or talented kid to the top instead of just giving him what's rightfully his. Only after he beats 6 straight guys does he get a top 10 fighter.

A pretty boy like Eric Silva gets 2 top 10 fighters in his first 4 fights. Something ain't right here. T.J Grant is about to feel how Browns being feeling.

It's a shame that Brown will have to be a gatekeeper... Brown ITD is a lock vs. this kid... yet I'll enjoy the odds that they offer.
Yeah, he got lot of up and comers where they tried to use Brown as a stepping stone.
Though he could have gotten it worse, he could have got lots of wrestlers on his plate and he wouldn't be where he is today. Brown is a standup guy and all the fighters he got are standup guys as well. If they didn't like Brown, they would just give him wrestlers.
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02-16-2014 , 04:46 PM
He's always said (not that the press asks him much) that he would fight anyone they put in front of him.

I loved the interview he did with Rogan after beating Pyle... "well Joe it's nice of you to finally talk to me" He's being calling out GSP and sadly he looks so awkward doing it because real fighters (I mean the legit tough guy grinders) feel it's beneath them to have to smack talk there way into fights.
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02-16-2014 , 04:54 PM
I am going for a KO cornier maybe under 1.5 or smething like that, this dude pat cumming he was working in a coffe shop 10 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgBCEej1tnw
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02-16-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
Jordan Mein- A good looking kid who becomes a 3-1 fav. over Brown based off his win vs. a finished Dan Miller. Here's a kid that Rogan by his commentary thinks is 3 fights away from Anderson Silva. Brown gives him a beating so bad that he begged the ref to make him stop. There goes another marketable pretty face.
You may want to watch that fight again. That fight is the perfect example of why Matt Brown is not ready for a top 10 guy lol.

However, this winning streak of his is gaining him all kinds of attention. Why should he go against a grinder like Shields, or Rory, or Woodly.. where there is a clear path to victory. When instead he can fight a guy with A lot of hype that would be willing to play his game. As it is right now, Matt is still 2 fights away from his title shot. A win over Erik may make him only one top 10 fight away.

Then of course for Silva, it is a very winnable fight, a top 10 win.. and puts you right where you want to be.

Only thing that worries me, is if Silva wins that and they just start throwing him against top 5 guys on FX cards. If they can refrain from that, this becomes a win win for both Brown and Silva.

Also heard Thatch's name thrown around. As amazing as Silva vs Thatch would be to watch, knowing we had to kill one of their hype trains would make me cry.
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02-16-2014 , 05:26 PM
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Cormier is -1500, that's laughable. Way to many unknowns about this cut. Also Cormier has been unable to make an excelent transition from Wrestling to MMA Wrestling (less than 50% TD success over strikeforce/ufc) and is facing the best wrestler he has faced.
In regards to TD success...a lot of his game seems to be half hearted attempts so his striking is more effective. There are a lot of guys who chain wrestle and it drops their "success rate" when really they are excellent wrestlers.

As for the weight cut, he had problems in the past because he had too much body fat and tried to cut too much water. I think recently he said he was 217-219 pounds or so. 12 Pounds cut properly for a guy his size should be no problem at all.

All that being said, it sure would be interesting if Cummins was able to put him on his back.
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02-16-2014 , 05:36 PM
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I honestly think in this fight if they switched giving Gregard Machidas performance and vice versa Machida still would have got the nod.
Nah only 1/3 of judges were incompetent all night it would have been a split decision for Mousasi if performances were reversed
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02-16-2014 , 09:50 PM
Maia by sub currently +660 anyone else think that seems pretty good?
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02-16-2014 , 09:59 PM
You can get him straight up at +257ish, I prefer that since when he wins it's by sub around half the time and by decision around half the time

I do quite like it though

I caught the Rousey opener on Pinnacle at -376 and hit it hard, 1050 to win 280 (10.5u to win 2.8u). If Rousey loses, I feel like it'll be to a striker. McMann is a legit challenger, she just isn't as good as Rousey and will end up getting armbarred at some point. She might win a round if she lands a takedown and doesn't get Judo-thrown, but at some point Rousey will get on top of her one way or another and when she does I don't think McMann has the submission defense to stop the armbar.

I rarely play favourites this big but I cap it at more like Rousey -700, so I kinda have to for value.

Leaning Maia and Thompson at current prices but Whittaker's an Aussie and Maia price will probably keep rising so probably going to stay away from both for now
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02-16-2014 , 10:21 PM
I am Rory and Rousey all the way, but if demian win by sub hit +700 ill take a bit of that
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02-16-2014 , 11:42 PM
Maia is not beating MacDonald. Don't see him getting takedowns, like, ever, and he's not winning on the feet.
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02-16-2014 , 11:49 PM
I don't think Maia ever subs Rory here, he's too smart/defensive/athletic/well rounded. Who knows how his loss will affect his style though, he might be a little more aggro but idk, I think it might be a close boring dec most of the time.
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02-17-2014 , 11:46 AM
Rory by desicion 1.9 looking good
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02-17-2014 , 12:10 PM
Rooting for Maia here, I won't comment on odds though. I feel like anytime I've said anything about Rory/Maia it's been wrong. I thought Story/Fitch could handle Maia, nope. I thought Rory would steam roll Lawler and that Pyle had a good chance vs him. Nope.
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02-17-2014 , 12:22 PM
On another note, Sarah McMann is built like a tank. She's got a freaking huge torso along with ape like arms. I wonder how Rousey will be able to hip toss her like everyone else. McMann did look really vulernable against Gaff though.
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02-17-2014 , 01:24 PM
Yeah, I'm usually way off when picking Mia fights.I have been wrong on 5 of his last 7 fight lol.. including a big bet on Fitch.

However don't see how he's beating Rory here. Feel Rory should have no problem dictating where this fight goes. Then on the feet/clinch i feel Rory wins, on his back he should be able to survive, and on top he should be good enough to stay there and grind out a round.
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02-17-2014 , 03:16 PM
I've actually bet on Maia in every one of his fights going back to Munoz so i'm 4-3 in his last 7

I feel like i'm 1-3 on Rory fights taking him vs Lawler and Ellenberger and fading him vs Mills and Pyle before I was a believer

For 170 so far I like

Rousey at -376 (already got 10.5u to win 2.8u on)

Koch to -300
Makovsky to -200

If I can get Pedro Munhoz at +500 I might take a stab on him since I think Assuncao is slightly overrated

I think I like Wonderboy at -125 too but will probably stay away and just enjoy it since I like both fighters

Also 5d currently has Cormier/Cummins doesn't go the distance at -130 and Cormier ITD at -140... lol
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02-17-2014 , 03:24 PM
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I've actually bet on Maia in every one of his fights going back to Munoz so i'm 4-3 in his last 7

I feel like i'm 1-3 on Rory fights taking him vs Lawler and Ellenberger and fading him vs Mills and Pyle before I was a believer

For 170 so far I like

Rousey at -376 (already got 10.5u to win 2.8u on)

Koch to -300
Makovsky to -200

If I can get Pedro Munhoz at +500 I might take a stab on him since I think Assuncao is slightly overrated

I think I like Wonderboy at -125 too but will probably stay away and just enjoy it since I like both fighters

Also 5d currently has Cormier/Cummins doesn't go the distance at -130 and Cormier ITD at -140... lol
what about Rousey wins inside distance -165
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02-17-2014 , 03:54 PM
Keeping my eyes on Sterling/Cedeno. They are both unknowns to most. However Sterling may have been the best unsigned BW around, and is now training with Serra/Longo camp.

Cedeno on the other hand seems a bit more rough around the edges, However has A lot of raw talent, and is very athletic. Fighting a guy with only cans on his record, and just doesn't seem ready for the ufc yet.

Munhoz may be worth a bet too. However he is getting thrown to the wolves for his first ufc fight... Seems way to fast and soon. However +500 will be worth it.
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02-18-2014 , 01:07 AM
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what about Rousey wins inside distance -165
Currently at -185, certainly not the worst line i've seen, if I add more it'll probably be on the ITD line

I actually think I like it more than the straight up line, but don't have funds on 5d to hit it and I figure by fight time i'll easily be able to arb my straight up Rousey bet since she'll close at more like -500 or -600 once the money starts to come in and I got her at -376

I actually quite like Rousey wins in R1 at +200, I think she subs McMann the first time she's on top on the ground so it depends which of them gets the first takedown, which could go either way. I feel like Rousey gets a takedown or sweep in r1 more than half the time though so I quite like +200 considering she's finished 7 of 8 fights in r1
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02-18-2014 , 03:37 AM
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Rory by desicion 1.9 looking good
Love that.

That Sterling is supposed to be a pretty elite talent, saw him on a few top 10 in the world prospects lists IIRC.
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02-18-2014 , 01:34 PM
Pyle ITD is +100. 21 of his 25 wins come ITD. Also 3 of his last 4 come by KO/TKO. Where Waldburger has been KO'd 6 times in his career, including in his last outing.

Also the u1.5 rounds may be worth +140 as well. As Pyle's chin is starting to become a question, being KO'd by Brown, and brutally dropped early vs Story.
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02-18-2014 , 03:47 PM
Thing is though, the majority of Pyle's finishing ability is via submission, and that's where Waldburger is strongest.
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