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12-29-2013 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Showtimez
A leg check is always a defensive move.

It is the responsibility of the kicker to not turn it into an offensive move by proper timing and the force being put behind it.

Leg checks are not made to break shins, they are to protect your leg tendons as you can easily absorb 20-30 leg kicks when the receiving leg is relaxed as opposed to 4-5 when it is tense (on the ground with your weight on it).

Anderson is as much to blame for the break as Chris is. I have chicken legs like Anderson so in combat I have to be extra careful as one good leg check in the wrong spot will probably damage me really bad.

If you are gonna aim to connect with your shin then better to go high (head/kidney, etc.) than low. If you choose to go low then you gotta be careful and either time it perfectly or not go full force to avoid what we saw tonight.

This was just another facet of Silva getting cocky and paying for it. No disrespect intended just calling it as I see it.
I'm with this. Always felt a bit uneasy with the power he was throwing them and him having chicken legs. Thought his leg kicks were more for opening up fighters and throwing different combinations so the fighter has more things on his mind than actually damaging the other fighters legs like someone like Pat Barry can do.
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12-29-2013 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Showtimez
A leg check is always a defensive move.

It is the responsibility of the kicker to not turn it into an offensive move by proper timing and the force being put behind it.

Leg checks are not made to break shins, they are to protect your leg tendons as you can easily absorb 20-30 leg kicks when the receiving leg is relaxed as opposed to 4-5 when it is tense (on the ground with your weight on it).

Anderson is as much to blame for the break as Chris is. I have chicken legs like Anderson so in combat I have to be extra careful as one good leg check in the wrong spot will probably damage me really bad.

If you are gonna aim to connect with your shin then better to go high (head/kidney, etc.) than low. If you choose to go low then you gotta be careful and either time it perfectly or not go full force to avoid what we saw tonight.

This was just another facet of Silva getting cocky and paying for it. No disrespect intended just calling it as I see it.
I totally agree, but some idiot on twitter who has 7 mma fights is telling me I have no idea what I'm talking about ect

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12-29-2013 , 03:18 AM
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UFC 170: Rousey vs. McMann is an upcoming mixed martial arts event to be held on February 22, 2014 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_170
Women's Bantamweight Ronda Rousey vs. Sara McMann [a]
Light Heavyweight Rashad Evans vs. Daniel Cormier
Lightweight Gilbert Melendez vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov
Welterweight Rory MacDonald vs. Demian Maia
Lightweight Rafael dos Anjos vs. Rustam Khabilov


siiiiiick fights under the main event
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12-29-2013 , 03:27 AM
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Women's Bantamweight Ronda Rousey vs. Sara McMann [a]
Light Heavyweight Rashad Evans vs. Daniel Cormier
Lightweight Gilbert Melendez vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov
Welterweight Rory MacDonald vs. Demian Maia
Lightweight Rafael dos Anjos vs. Rustam Khabilov


siiiiiick fights under the main event
I guess this means Cormier/Evans will be a 3-rounder.
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12-29-2013 , 04:05 AM
Olympic wrestler vs Olypmic Judoka, will be very interesting to see, and the fight is so soon also. Champions usually rest more than 1.5months between fights.
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12-29-2013 , 04:09 AM
from a sports betting perspective, absolutely nothing at all happened before the leg injury that would justify anderson silva being the favorite in that fight.

and you definitely would not have gone wrong betting on a changing of the guard theme this event
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12-29-2013 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PuntIt
ill take +170 right now on machida weidman hasnt beat a top 5 fighter he didnt even look that good in this fight
Seriously? Dominated the worlds best in the first and broke his leg in the second......

good night only had hall and weidman as obvious bets.....
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12-29-2013 , 05:33 AM
Gregard bet of 2014!!!!
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12-29-2013 , 06:11 AM
One final thing I wanted to say re: Hall/Leben...

Don't be surprised if someone starches Hall in the near future. He displayed some very poor defensive fundamentals throughout that fight that would get him killed against a non-zombie. Consistently circling the wrong way, not tucking his chin, and pulling backward to avoid punches...
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12-29-2013 , 06:22 AM
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Seriously? Dominated the worlds best in the first and broke his leg in the second......

good night only had hall and weidman as obvious bets.....


Silva is finished. No way he comes back from that after already hinting at retirement. Weidman looked good with his ground and pound not to mention connecting with that earshot early that rocked Silva. Can't wait to see Weidman vs Vitor or Machida. Seems like both would be +ev bets if they are underdogs.
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12-29-2013 , 06:43 AM
Horrible way to go out but yeah pretty sure that's Silva done.

Anyone who can watch that replay and not flinch has something wrong with them

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12-29-2013 , 07:23 AM
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Gregard bet of 2014!!!!
Cormier for me at -205, I think he will be too much for any light heavyweight apart from Jones and Gustafasson.
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12-29-2013 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 21times20
from a sports betting perspective, absolutely nothing at all happened before the leg injury that would justify anderson silva being the favorite in that fight.

and you definitely would not have gone wrong betting on a changing of the guard theme this event
The question was if Weidman could do what he did in the first rest, in the rest of the fight. Silva has had fights where he loses the first and wins in the other rounds. So the question on everyones mind was what happens in r2-r5? We saw in the first fight that r2 looked a lot better for AS. We saw in this fight as well, albeit short, that r2 was looking better for AS. It is for sure that the speed of the fight, weidmans hands, tempo etc would slow down over the rounds and that is the time when AS can better utilize his moves. Now we will never know.

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One final thing I wanted to say re: Hall/Leben...

Don't be surprised if someone starches Hall in the near future. He displayed some very poor defensive fundamentals throughout that fight that would get him killed against a non-zombie. Consistently circling the wrong way, not tucking his chin, and pulling backward to avoid punches...
This. I believe this is how Weidman defeated him. He does this quite often, especially with his knee's, pretty much leaves his head open (like Cerrone did when he fought Dunham). I see someone taking advantage of that pretty soon.
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12-29-2013 , 07:37 AM
Made quite a bit of money on Travis Browne but would happily give it all back and then some to have Anderson not go out like that. And i have cheered against Anderson in almost every single fight.

Horrible.


1st absolutely not a 10-8 to me. But It was still a very clear round with lots of damage dished out by Weidman. Impressive.

Weidman will crush Vitor.

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12-29-2013 , 07:40 AM
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ill take +170 right now on machida weidman hasnt beat a top 5 fighter he didnt even look that good in this fight
yep Weidman didn't look very good other than dominating the GOAT for the entire round they fought.

Are you always trolling?
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12-29-2013 , 10:33 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Silva completely walk through Weidman this fight. One thing I picked up from the 2nd round of their fight is Silva could just dance around a pick him apart with leg kicks if he wanted to.
Interesting plan.
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12-29-2013 , 04:43 PM
If Anderson didn't hold on to Weidman's neck after he got hit in the first round that more than likely would have set up the end of the fight because he was definitely out momentarily as he was falling.
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12-29-2013 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
Made quite a bit of money on Travis Browne but would happily give it all back and then some to have Anderson not go out like that. And i have cheered against Anderson in almost every single fight.

Horrible.


1st absolutely not a 10-8 to me. But It was still a very clear round with lots of damage dished out by Weidman. Impressive.

Weidman will crush Vitor.
I second this; won by far my biggest amount yet betting on Weidman and Hall, but I hated seeing it end like that, felt really bad for Anderson and would happily give what I won back to have that not happen, though he did better than I expected on the ground.

I have Weidman beating Vitor most of the time here, ITD, through superior ground game and Vitor's just being grinded until he gives up, I really think Weidman is a great fighter. I'd favour him vs Machida too; who hasn't impressed me with the way he reacts to getting hit and don't see him surviving if he faces much adversity.
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12-29-2013 , 05:27 PM
Again, we learned nothing about whether Weidman is a better fighter than Silva. Too bad his career had to end this way.
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12-29-2013 , 05:36 PM
Except for Weidman has outplayed Silva for 80-90% of the time they've been in the cage together...so there's that minor fact. As for better fighter, who knows, but Weidman is a stone lock to be favored in that matchup should they ever fight again.
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12-29-2013 , 06:07 PM
C'mon now. Weidman has beaten Silva every single round they have fought.
Knocked him out once. Almost knocked him out once.

He won.

A prime Anderson vs. a future prime Weidman is a different question. But aorn Weidman would DEFINITELY be the favorite in a third fight had Anderson not broken his leg.
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12-29-2013 , 07:49 PM
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Again, we learned nothing about whether Weidman is a better fighter than Silva. Too bad his career had to end this way.
I'm as much of an Anderson fan as the next guy, but I think we did learn that Weidman is better.

In 4 rounds Weidman clearly won 2 of them. KO'd him in one. And TKO'd him in the other.

Say what you want, but neither finish was luck . He knocked out Anderson with a big punch, and perfectly timed checking the kick the 2nd.

However I still think the Anderson that fought forest could beat the current Weidman.
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12-29-2013 , 07:56 PM
weidman beat silva twice first fight i though silva was faster strong and better until lucky punch ko. 2nd fight silva was worse he needs to clown and move to get in the zone. both fights proved nothing for weidman if he wins 2 more fights ill become a believer but hes really hasnt beat anyone top 5 except 2 really weird anderson fights
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12-29-2013 , 09:07 PM
God you'd almost think it was a troll account.

Weidman > Anderson 100% we know that now. Still doesn't necessarily mean he's a better fighter because styles etc can dictate matchups and their skillsets clearly matchup in a way that points to Weidman. Anderson in his prime of course is a whole different discussion.
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12-29-2013 , 10:00 PM
Rousey vs McMann

Will be interesting to face an olympic level wrestler but I think Rousey's hips are so good it doesn't matter if she ends up on the bottom, McMann's getting swept and armbarred or judo thrown/armbarred eventually, especially since she isnt known for her submission game as much as Tate is

For 169

Hoping Cariaso is @ evens or thereabouts vs Horiguchi; I bet both fighters in their last fight and they won and I think Cariaso is still underrated and Horiguchi may be overrated.

If Bagautinov is a +200 or better dog I might play him vs Lineker; I still think Lineker is hugely overrated but i'm not sold on Bagautinov as a contender

Overeem and Mir in a battle of the glass cannons; i'll take Overeem if it's at close to evens just because Mir can't survive the offense but if Mir is a big enough dog i'll take him.

Might make a small odds play on Cruz too but with the layoff Barao does deserve to be the fav
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