Yeah, I mean, the color of your skin was certainly a big thing in the past, but today there is much less of it for several reasons. I remember a lot of people were rooting for Silva in the Sonnen fight, even though Sonnen is as white as you get. The way people see you in the modern world today is a lot more about the way you talk and present yourself than it is about color.

Prbly not. They'd just qualify it w/ things like -

White guys are just being who they are, keepin' it real and stuff

Lets do the Race MMAth on this one

Listen to the lack of cheers when Evans KTFO Liddell, you could hear a pin drop. Now compare that to Machida when he KTFO Evans

Good luck rooting against the black man in NBA or T&F, Jesse Owens kind of showed Hitler that was futile.

Anderson isn't really all that loved, hard-cores love him but Belfort is an immensely bigger star in Brazil and his PPV buys have always been really underwhelming.

[ ] Was referring to Wand.
I was talking about Anderson Silva vs Sonnen.

Ya it's early. I'd already edited it. Wand-Bisping was in my head for some reason. Wand/Sonnen was rumored or announced at one point too.

Bisping is a good counter to my argument but it's easy for some to hate him b/c of USA, USA, USA!

I think Hughes and Jones are pretty analogous personalities

It isn't just hardcore fans that like Anderson, lots of casual fans like him as well.

The Rashad/Machida thing, when Gustafsson finished Te Huna in Australia, it was silent. Why? Because australians dominated the event and their guy just lost.

Now compare when Liddel was facing Rashad, Liddell was a much bigger name than Rashad, had higher celebrity status and thus a lot more people cheered for him so it is only natural that when he lost people wouldn't cheer.

You're trying to make this into a color issue, which it isn't. Just take Rampage for example, if I remember correctly, fans really loved him and when he KO'd Liddell people were cheering.

I know that's your opinion but Anderson is historically a pretty poor draw, his PPV #'s are underwhelming for being as elite as he is.

UFC 134 was one of the best cards of the year and sold less than 300k PPV's.

$$$ talks

http://mmajunkie.com/news/22376/ufc-126-salaries.mma

Dude is GOAT and getting paid less than Belfort and Forrest on the same card

He gets a portion of PPV, that's why no win bonus. He was definitely the highest paid fighter on that card.

Matt Hughes is also a total dick with his whole 'oh look what a man i am i love to shoot big cats', Dan Hardy called him out on it recently

You can turn that around - Rampage when he fought Jardine? (I don't remember offhand but i'd assume he was cheered there?)

Sure, some fans are racist, but there are plenty that aren't.

Rampage is like Barkley. Everybody loves them cause they're funny, they transcend race. I was using title fight scenarios, Jardine was brought in to lose to Rampage.

When you bring up Rampage there's a reason Rashad called Rampage an Uncle Tom - in the black community that's like the scarlet letter, you can't be seen as dancing for the white man, being their shoe shine boy. The black community will turn on it's own if you're not perceived as embracing your blackness, not keeping it real, being a sell out.

I'm done I won't keep arguing, you guys are right racial dynamics are dead.

2012 List of Most disliked athletes - Forbes

1. Vick
2. Tiger
3. Plaxico
4. Ndamukong Suh
5. Kris Humpries (mulatto)
6. Lebron
7. Kobe
8. Terrel Owens
9. ARod
10. Kurt Busch

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanri...iked-athletes/

Ya I'm off my rocker - I'm sure OchoCinco would've been #11

LOL @ mulatto.

I don't think Keith Van Horn would get the same hate if he shacked up w/ Kim K.

How does Big Ben not crack the top ten?

I'm just laughing that you used the word mulatto.

I'm pretty sure Tiger is up there bc of the whole cheating scandal, nothing to do with because he's black. He was prolly one of their most liked prior to it.

Also, no one said that it's completely dead, it will probably never be, we're just saying it's a whole lot less than it used to be, up to the point where it doesn't matter if you're black or white, but more how you conduct yourself and act in public and personal life. You also have to keep in consideration that the top athletes in the USA sport world are usually black, at least the ones in the NBA and NFL, and those are two of the most populare sports.

Lol, as has already been explained, people dont cheer for their hero/god being KO'd. You need to take context of public perception of people in their careers and that ****. Machida had an aura going in there and Rashad hadnt yet coached against rampage to make people like him, etc etc. Its 99% not a racial thing.

Please note that the people who get the most attention in sports are the athletes who are at the top of the sport, and in american sports there are very few white people making that cut. Tiger had his harem on the side which doesnt go over too well. I guess if there was an elite black nascar driver he would auto replace Busch on this list, amirite?

Really that list doesn't phase either of you, huh?

Plaxico Burres is the 3rd most disliked athlete in the US, and you're trying to tell me it's not because of race? ... bwhahahahah

The biggest stars in the NFL are white. Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rogers, Eli, the aforementioned Rapelisthberger, etc. What has TO ever done that was illegal?

I did say cocky African-Americans btw. Not just being black. Nobody but real racists dislike Kevin Durant because he's so humble.

lmfao I love how some of you were making our point for us, this exactly.

@Swiiftx, of course it's not what it used to be, we are just saying racism is still extremely prevalent. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves. Listen to Jordan Breen espouse sometime about fans' attitude toward King Mo (this was well before the steroid incident), he sums things up well. Again, cocky black athlete, not afraid to speak his mind, backlash/fan attitude much worse than if he were white.

As far as the Forbes list, yes I think it's telling that Lebron, Kobe, Plaxico, Suh, and TO, who have never done anything worse than cheat on a wife, are more hated than a white guy who was accused of sexual assault more than once in the highest profile sport in America. I do think Swiiftx is right about Tiger hate not having much to do with race though.

Thanks for ruining the thread with this nonsense. Unsubscribed.

Sorry King, keeping you happy is always my main goal.

W/ Tiger I agree but would the backlash have been quite so bad if he were white? I prbly don't need to show proof for an acknowledgment of how many people will react when a man of color has a harem of white women

No I'm sorry.
Obviously this topic is of great interest to a bunch of white Americanos.

In other news, odds for the undercard of ufc on fuel 2 is out.
Not as interesting as the current discussion, but i found these lines interesting:

Damarques Johnson vs. John Maguire +140
Cyrille Diabate vs. Tom Deblass +175

Reza Madadi is grossly overrated and clearly lost to Rick Clementi. He's an OK wrestler but not much more.
His opponent is YOISLANDY IZQUIERDO. Anyone know anything about him?

Already love the -211 on Alexander Gustafsson. Will probably put more money on that. He's tougher, hits harder, is faster and with much better footwork.
His defensive wrestling looked great vs Davis and he's only improved since. I have a really hard time seeing Thiago getting this to the ground, which he'd need to.

Somewhat interested in Siyar vs Paulo thiago at +145, but not sure. Thoughts?

Depending on judges i might put some money on the swedish underdogs. If UFC brings their own it's probably not an issue.

I think the discussion of race in sports is quite interesting and I'm enjoying it.

I know a lot of people are high on Siyar, havent watched him so I can't say for sure but I know he's been bet down big time by savvy bettors. Probably still value at +145. I'm on Gustafsson.

Got 2u on Abedi, 2u on Pickett, 2u on Gustaffson and 1u on Siver so far. Would have put more on Siver but his odds are nowhere near as good as when I made the bet. Would have got on Young but the odds are getting way worse and he hasnt looked good since he fought Poirier.

Also got 2.5u on Torres, and will be all over Stephen Thompson if the odds are reasonable and may bet Browne, Danzig and Blanco depending on odds

Thoughts on Dantas vs Machovsky, is Makovsky's MMA wrestling anything like Vila's? If it's worse I might get on Dantas.