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08-04-2013 , 05:47 PM

#13976

elliot10181

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Sonnen has had trt accepted for this fight

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08-04-2013 , 05:53 PM

#13977

Machinehead

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Originally Posted by ComeOnGuys

not reliant on that though if sonnen gets his trt exemption sonnen will gas hard and lose

When was the last time Sonnen gassed?

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08-04-2013 , 05:59 PM

#13978

Sect7G

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I think the upcoming free card is looking really good.

I'm most excited about Matt Brown vs. Mike Pyle.

Personally I think this match up is a travesty. Both of these guys are on a real roll Koing or breaking their last opponents. Having these 2 match up will spell the doom for the loser and the winner still won't be any closer to a top 10 or 5 type opponent. Both have won about 5 straight and neither get much of a step up in competition. I think they each should have gotten a shot vs. Kampman, Lawlor, Koscheck etc. By getting a bigger name opponent they will finally get the respect that these hard nosed grinders deserve.

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08-04-2013 , 06:00 PM

#13979

Sect7G

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Originally Posted by Machinehead

When was the last time Sonnen gassed?

He was slowing down a lot vs. Bisping in round 3. Had the fight gone 5 rounds he'd have lost I think for sure.

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08-04-2013 , 06:09 PM

#13980

elliot10181

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Aldos lack of kicks forgivable! He did this 1.30 into the fight

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08-04-2013 , 07:13 PM

#13981

EbutDrool

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I went against what all of you said and stuck 0.25 on Davis last minute before I went to sleep to officially break even for the card.

I think Machida won so I'm not saying my decision making was great but I saw the fight being a lot closer than what all of you was saying it was going to be so I felt 4/1 was terrific value.

Still don't like how Machida had his hands down a lot, yes he is quite a way off from his opponent defensively but I thought fighting with your hands down become uncool very quickly after Silva got KTFO.

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08-04-2013 , 07:14 PM

#13982

EbutDrool

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Originally Posted by Sect7G

He was slowing down a lot vs. Bisping in round 3. Had the fight gone 5 rounds he'd have lost I think for sure.

I still think he lost anyway.

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08-04-2013 , 11:27 PM

#13983

anteatereater

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE

Chris watts apparently the other 2 judges scoring r1 for Davis is very bad but at least somewhat understandable overrating a meaningless takedown but watts scoring r3 for Davis has to be a firEable offense

Phil Davis Believes He Won Final Two Rounds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avK-AjGD220

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08-04-2013 , 11:31 PM

#13984

anteatereater

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MEDIA SCORES

I guess all 13 of these guys got it wrong. Especially the 10 that had it 30-27 Machida.

Adam Martin
Sportsnet.ca 28-29 Machida
Steven Rondina
BleacherReport.com 28-29 Machida
Shaun Al-Shatti
MMAFighting.com 28-29 Machida
MMAWeekly 27-30 Machida
Nathan McCarter
BleacherReport.com 27-30 Machida
Brent Brookhouse
BloodyElbow.com 27-30 Machida
Chris Nelson
Sherdog.com 27-30 Machida
TJ DeSantis
Sherdog.com 27-30 Machida
Jordan Breen
Sherdog.com 27-30 Machida
MMAJunkie.com 27-30 Machida
Jason Floyd
TheMMAReport.com 27-30 Machida
Tim Burke
BloodyElbow.com 27-30 Machida
FightMetric.com 27-30 Machida

And it wasn't even a split decision!!!!

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08-05-2013 , 01:18 AM

#13985

just_mo

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A truly pisspoor performance by those judges, there can be no doubt.

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08-05-2013 , 03:30 AM

#13986

SwoopAE

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16u swing due to judging fail is pretty tilting

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08-05-2013 , 03:34 AM

#13987

SwoopAE

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Pretty sure I'm going overeem and faber next card. Browne can crack reems chin but he doesn't have the best technique or chin himself and reem will be motivated. Faber is just a class above alcantara at everything atm

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08-05-2013 , 03:50 AM

#13988

anteatereater

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Originally Posted by just_mo

A truly pisspoor performance by those judges, there can be no doubt.

I just wonder if it's actually harder to judge a fight from cageside. Maybe the judges should watch the fight on a monitor backstage.

I also think there should be more than 3 judges (like 5 or 7). Or even a bunch like 21 or more trained trusted people that need not be on-site. There's no way that could be worse than the current situation. They should have to watch it without commentators of course.

Why just three? Again they are copying boxing.

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08-05-2013 , 05:03 AM

#13989

Sect7G

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE

I def. agree with this.

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08-05-2013 , 09:06 AM

#13990

EbutDrool

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Originally Posted by anteatereater

I just wonder if it's actually harder to judge a fight from cageside. Maybe the judges should watch the fight on a monitor backstage.

I've had this thought many a time when you can see the judges ringside when the camera catches them.

Also, if Davis thinks he won 2 rounds, surely it was the first 2 rounds?

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08-05-2013 , 12:14 PM

#13991

yoyobo

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Originally Posted by anteatereater

I like the idea of making them watch it backstage, with no commentating... however the more judges you add, the more chance of corruption, with certain judges having favorites, or bets placed.. so maybe 5 would be okay.

I also believe just properly educating them might help. Alot of judges are coming from other sports, from what I've heard. and if you are only educated in one dimension of martial arts, not only are you unable to judge the other areas correctly, but you will be naturally bias towards the area that you know.

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08-05-2013 , 12:49 PM

#13992

BRpokah

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I was one of the few people that thought Davis won. Rounds 1 and 2 were VERY close but I thought Davis was slightly better. Round 3 Machida won clearly imo. Calling this some huge robbery is crazy. Davis actually landed more overall in rds 1 and 2.

It is crazy though that one of the judges(Chris Watts) scored the 3rd round for Davis.

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08-05-2013 , 12:52 PM

#13993

BRpokah

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Originally Posted by yoyobo

I like the idea of making them watch it backstage, with no commentating... however the more judges you add, the more chance of corruption, with certain judges having favorites, or bets placed.. so maybe 5 would be okay.

I also believe just properly educating them might help. Alot of judges are coming from other sports, from what I've heard. and if you are only educated in one dimension of martial arts, not only are you unable to judge the other areas correctly, but you will be naturally bias towards the area that you know.

Pretty sure it is the opposite. More judges will decrease the chance of corruption as each individual judge will have a smaller influence in the result.

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08-05-2013 , 01:24 PM

#13994

yoyobo

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with that logic, very true... i was thinking more of the lines, that as of right now, judges/refs are looked at pretty closely to make sure that kind of thing isn't happening.. if we get 21 judges.. i expect A lot of them to get in on a big pay day.

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08-05-2013 , 05:04 PM

#13995

OTPCook

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Originally Posted by anteatereater

Funny thing is that Davis would have still won with five judges. They would've needed at least 7 for Machida to have gotten that win.

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08-05-2013 , 05:12 PM

#13996

OTPCook

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Also, Rampage at -275 against Tito seems like a gift. Tito pretty much never wins and the Bader plan (luckbox a punch and snag a snub) seems even more unlikely given Rampage is tough to KO or tap.

Rampage is on the tail end but I still would've thought he would open at closer to -400.

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08-05-2013 , 06:57 PM

#13997

Swiiftx

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Machida won that, definitely a robbery. It's a shame, this kind of stuff that takes away a lot from MMA. Also a shame it will be forgotten and in turn will get to benefit Davis more than Machidas in talks about previous opponents etc, where people will say from 3 months or something from now, well Davis "arguably" won against Machida, or they will say, Machida is on a decline since he "arguably" lost to Machida. When it's really more about Machida facing more skilled opponents than anything else.

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08-05-2013 , 07:49 PM

#13998

luckproof

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Wish that fight was 5 rounds, a lot of these big fights don't even get going until the third anyway.

Also judges should be backstage watching a monitor with no sound. I don't know what those nitwits look at now but that would def be an improvement.

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08-05-2013 , 08:10 PM

#13999

just_mo

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Originally Posted by BRpokah

Look at the quality of the strikes landed. Round 1 should have been obvious to anyone who watched that, Davis did nil with that takedown and Machida had him hurt with that flurry. There's a reason FM scored this 30-27 despite close striking stats: Machida's landed strikes were harder, cleaner shots, it was plain as day.