I said athletic person. Anyway, I think it's a completely different situation when a lower weight guy faces a higher weight guy than a lower weight girl faces a higher weight guy. I mean, genders of equal weight, the guy is always going to be stronger if they are both athletic in terms of power and wrist controll. That's why I think Ronda isn't going to submitt male fighters at her own weightclass, and esp not higher.

I think even a 185 kg athletic person w no combat experience would handle Ronda just due to pure strength.

[ ] Athletic

I said afterwards, decently athletic.

Ya I replied to your original question before you specified w/ a later post, was just acknowledging my flip flop.

Don't know where I stand on decently athletic dude vs Rousey as opposed to high end athlete b/c I have no idea what decently athletic means, it's so subjective. The avg guy who's down at the Y and is a middle of the road pick up basketball player i'm pretty certain gets arm-barred or she takes his back and RNC's him

And that guy prbly has 40+lbs on her

It's definitely possible, I mean if u look at Royce Gracie in the old days, he was submitting way bigger guys left and right, ppl w combat experience. But, there's a point where no matter how slick u are, u aren't going to overcome the strength differences. And on top of that, men have always, and will always, have a better body, sense for different sports etc. I mean, these are the top of the food chain woman fighters in MMA, and u still see how flawed their striking is, and how it looks a bit ridiculous. Add to that, that a woman and man of same weight, no matter if she is a judo champ, works out 100% harder than the man, if the man is atleast a bit athletic, works out etc, he's going to have a better hand strength/grip than her, and from what I know, being able to controll someones hands is a big part of BJJ.

Gustafsson -300

I was gonna say that seems off

Gustaffson -225 Silva +175 now, right on the -190/+190 line I thought it'd be at

Anyone else tempted on Mir +325 vs Velasquez? Cain will take him down, but if Mir can get ahold of him he can catch him with a sub, or even catch him standing (although hes a dog standing obv)

Mir's chin will probably let him down and he'll be TKO'd, but for elite level heavyweights where everyone has one punch KO power, the line seems a bit off. If Pinnacle opens and the vig is smaller Mir might even be +360 or something

Also interesting Frankie opens at -125 vs Bendo -105 for the rematch when Bendo won the first fight, it was super close though so idk.

Damn people must be pounding Thiago, opened at -300.

Mir is going to get mauled. I would just wait this one out and prop Cain by TKO.

Looks like there could be some value on Henderson against Edgar. Even though I scored the first fight for Edgar, Henderson was the better fighter, he won the rounds I scored for him much more decisively than Edgar did. Who knows what happens if Edgar doesn't get upkick knockdowned though, that's a pretty flukey strike.

Mir looked real sluggish against Nog, I think he's getting TKO'd. Beside, he's always had problems against aggressive wrestlers.

I agree with all of that, I just feel like the true line is probably more like Velasquez -220 or something because Mir does have one punch KO power and a ground game (granted he'll have to get lucky or get a sweep to win on the ground)

Yes, Mir imo is still one of the most dangerous guy in the division against anyone and shouldn't be considered a too big of a underdog vs anyone.

Also interested in hearing what u guys think of Stann vs Sakara. Might be some decent value on Sakara?

I'll play Stann at -200 or Sakara at +350, or stay away if the line is inbetween that on fight day. Stann has more KO power and a better chin, but in a striker vs striker battle where neither are silva-level strikers, punchers chance is worthwhile if he's a significant enough dog

If Stann stands with Sakara, I feel there's good value on Sakara. However, Stann doesn't strike me as a fool, and someone with his athleticism (though he lacks wrestling skill) should be able to hit takedowns on Sakara. If he does that, it's over for the Italian.

Heard Curran looked pretty bad, sapped at weigh ins.

All the money is still coming in on curran, warrens out to +342

im staying away from the bellator card because i dont really know enough about the fighters

There are a lot of rly big favorites that I'm not 100% sold on...only Marlon Sandro looks reasonable to me...nvm he's back to up -400 -_-

Judges love to give fights to Warren for some reason.As long as he doesn't get knocked down more than 3 times per round and gets a takedown, or attempts one enough times, he'll get the nod. Prob worth a play.

McCorkle's opponent +917 is pretty ridiculous, is he a total can I assume? At heavyweight if he even has a slight punchers chance it might be worth a play, or does he totally suck?

Josh Shockley also doesnt even have a wiki page and Shamar Bailey (who is a one dimensional okayish wrestler and not much else) is only -120 aganinst him, does Shockley have potential or something? It seems odd that a guy who doesnt even have a wiki page isnt more of a dog to a guy who at least won a fight on TUF (lol)

How about Wiuff's opponent, he beat MPumbu didnt he (although looked average doing it), is his opponent any good?

Meh, I suck at Bellator cards, im staying away but if I did bet it'd probably be Wiuff, Bailey, Warren or something

lol sadly this is true. "Judges' Joe."

I'm fairly familiar with most of Bellator's fighters but even I don't recognize a lot of these guys.

Well that was pretty brutal. Should've stopped shooting from so far away after he ate the first knees earlier.

Regarding Jones v Evans, what do you all think of "Jones wins inside distance" at -210?

I think that's fantastic.

I think Jones vs Rashad is going to be very interesting. This is easily the toughest challenge for Jones in terms of style. He's facing one of the best mma wrestlers with very good speed and good boxing. His only weakness is that his chin isn't the best, but that isn't really a problem here as Jones isn't really a power puncher and doesn't posses that good of a timing to destroy him in the standup, like Machida did. The question is if Jones can put Rashad on his back or if Rashad can put Jones on his back.

Jones run in the UFC has been incredible, but he's now facing top 5 guys, which he didn't before. Also fwiw, I don't consider Rampage being top 5 these days. Machida was the first real test for him. Shogun comes in two forms, well conditioned and not. That night he wasn't conditioned. Though not to take anything away from Jones, he would have probably beaten him on his best days, but at least it wouldn't have looked so onesided.
If he beats Rashad easily, then I really don't see anyone beating him at the time being.