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02-12-2012 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
I don't either see this as a particularly good card for betting except for herman struve fight. Someone with more insight into markes simpson could prolly make some, but I haven't rlly followed those two fighters to make any comment. I only remember Markes destroying Karlos Vemola, a high level wrestler, with grappling. So that should say smth.

Btw, the fighters Struve has won over, they've all been proven to be cans/low level guys. And in most of them, he's been getting his ass kicked by ppl with far worse standup than herman.


Not a good betting card in my mind too either unless, you have 1.5 on ellen @ -265
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02-12-2012 , 08:45 AM
This may even be the first MMA card I don't make any bets on in a while, hopefully the prelims are more tempting than the main card. You guys seem to be doing a good job of talking me out of a Struve bet, my gut just says he's going to find a way to win though so i'll probably put a small play on if he's a reasonable underdog on fight day which I expect he should be.

Also, Pat Barry should have beaten Crocop and Kongo as he had both fights won and he could easily have fixed the mental problems that led to his defeat after his gutsy effort against the granted semican in Morecraft. Barry can still be a mid level UFC HW if he keeps working on his ground game.
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02-12-2012 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mike ski
I was wondering what websites you guys use to keep up to date on UFC info?
ufc.com and Dana Whites twitter. That's all I look at. To check a lot of old fights, I go to mma-geek.com.
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02-12-2012 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
This may even be the first MMA card I don't make any bets on in a while, hopefully the prelims are more tempting than the main card. You guys seem to be doing a good job of talking me out of a Struve bet, my gut just says he's going to find a way to win though so i'll probably put a small play on if he's a reasonable underdog on fight day which I expect he should be.

Also, Pat Barry should have beaten Crocop and Kongo as he had both fights won and he could easily have fixed the mental problems that led to his defeat after his gutsy effort against the granted semican in Morecraft. Barry can still be a mid level UFC HW if he keeps working on his ground game.
I doubt Barry will ever be a mid level guy tbh, yeah, he can be one if he gets the right fights, but put him against any dangerous grappler and he's going to go down. Also, I don't think defeating Cro Cop is a merit anymore(and ldo not losing to him like Barry did). We'll see how though how much his groundgame has really changed, I can say I was very impressed with him last time and I hope he stays in the UFC cause he's got some real heavy hands and one of the best leg kicks to go along with it.

edit: especially now w the strikeforce guys coming in.

Last edited by Swiiftx; 02-12-2012 at 09:01 AM.
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02-12-2012 , 09:07 AM
I'd love to see Barry tackle a couple more lower-level grapplers to build him up to the bigger guys.

Phil De Fries would be a good one and very winnable for Barry since De Fries almost lost to Broughton who is probably the worst HW on the roster, although De Fries should be coming off a loss to Miocic after the next card so probably not.

Maybe give him the winner of Miocic/De Fries? Both would be tests in different ways and Barry is marketable if he wins, and if either prospect wins they'll be 2-0 heading into the Barry fight in the UFC and Barry is theoretically a winnable fight for anyone as well.

Alternatively, some of the lower-mid level SF guys would make good fights for him.

MMAgeeks is good for old fights, p2pfree.net for streams, sherdog for news (although their forum is lolbad) and ufc.com obviously
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02-12-2012 , 12:28 PM
Lately, Joe Rogan's podcast has been clutch as far as talking about upcoming fighters. Who's the Brazilian kid that just fought Jorgensen? Rogan convinced me to put a 1/2 unit on him, not knowing too much.

Also, bloodyelbow.com is hands down the best MMA website around as far as news, opinion pieces, and editorials go.
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02-12-2012 , 12:59 PM
jordan breen is a good analyst in my opinion so i sometimes listen to his podcast.

bloodyelbow used to be good but is mostly fluff and garbage now. still better than anything else I've used for news and stuff.

twitter is alright but too much noise.

bestfightodds.com for lines and movements, this thread is good for fight-talk + lineshopping, EDF mmathread good for general stuff even if it derails from time to time.
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02-12-2012 , 01:06 PM
mmafighting.com is the best imo. Mostly because of Helwani's video interviews and mma hour.

I can't stand bloodyelbow.
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02-12-2012 , 02:01 PM
I check Bloody Elbow and Sherdog pretty much every day. And yea Breen knows his ****, I listen to his show from time to time.

Would like to see Barry's next fight be against Lavar Johnson.
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02-12-2012 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Machinehead
I can't stand bloodyelbow.
Why no love? Just curious?
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02-12-2012 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Machinehead
I can't stand bloodyelbow.
Why for? I only go there to watch their fight preview breakdowns due to their numerous gifs. The recency bias and ROT is lol (but that's true for most all MMA sites/journalists) but it's still entertaining.

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Would like to see Barry's next fight be against Lavar Johnson.
Now this, this is a good call
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02-12-2012 , 02:48 PM
ROT?
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02-12-2012 , 02:54 PM
bloodyelbow got rid of the best writers (or lost them to other sites), kept the morons, hired new morons.
It's like articles written by your average sherdog poster. (not bashing sherdog, some posters are great but it's a lot of **** to wade through)

Also seems like they go a bit far to get hits at times. They try to sensationalize stuff basically.

I still go there as the content is still somewhat interesting. I'm not really a fan of the style mmajunkie etc uses. Seem like a news-feed more than anything.

I'll try mmafighting.com, it looks promising. Like the mma hour, but never looked at much else.
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02-12-2012 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tatanka
ROT?
Results Oriented Thinking

http://www.mma.ly if some aren't aware btw
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02-12-2012 , 07:48 PM
Dana announced Hendricks vs Kos on twitter.

Everyone start pinching pennies so we can all bet everything we own on Hendricks when he's only -135.
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02-12-2012 , 07:51 PM
hendricks overrated atm

should be a very competitive fight
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02-12-2012 , 07:55 PM
Hendricks should take it unless Kos robs him like he robbed pierce.
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02-12-2012 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by just_mo
Dana announced Hendricks vs Kos on twitter.

Everyone start pinching pennies so we can all bet everything we own on Hendricks when he's only -135.
Ye i will, except i will slam koscheck all day for my cheezburgah money until atleast Kos -150 maybe more
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02-12-2012 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
Hendricks should take it unless Kos robs him like he robbed pierce.
if koscheck robbed pierce we have as much ammo to say hendricks robbed pierce.
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02-12-2012 , 08:20 PM
Koscheck is the one who is overrated. By fans, media, and books. Thought ya'll learned last time when you all thought Kos would crush Pierce...
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02-12-2012 , 08:26 PM
and rick story was overrated yet beat hendricks... -.-
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02-12-2012 , 08:29 PM
not all did, even though i expected koscheck to win more convincingly. I scored the fight for Pierce fwiw.
lets talk about how either guy has an advantage instead of x is overrated blablabla.

I think the fight will be very close, but i think Koscheck will edge close rounds.
Hendricks has a better wrestling career for sure, and possibly would beat Koscheck in a pure wrestling match. I can't say for sure as i haven't seen either guy wrestle much at all, but it's reasonable to assume.

With that said i think size difference and general athleticism will be key here. As well as how well they wrestle defensively in mma.

* Koscheck is a bigger man. He's stronger.
Hendricks wrestled at 157 and 165. Koscheck wrestled at 174.
Not only this, but on fight night the differences is even greater. Marc Laimon, Hendricks' coach says his fighter could possibly make 155lbs but that he just hates to diet. He frequently stuff his face with junk food.
TL;DR: Hendricks is a small welterweight.

* I feel Koscheck is a slightly better athlete. More explosive and agile. This is a weak argument probably, but it's just the way i perceive it to be.

* Koschecks defensive wrestling for mma works better than Hendricks does. I could see Koscheck getting a takedown but i doubt Hendricks will.

* Striking I'd say their power is equal. Both guys can also take a punch as well as anyone. If i had to say who's better technically It's probably Hendricks but not by the country mile Koscheck haters would have you think.

* BJJ definitely favor Hendricks. Can he put it to use though? If he goes with a wrestling gameplan, maybe. But i feel he will go in with a gameplan to brawl with Koscheck.

All in all very close fight. I see Koscheck being competitive striking and utilize a wrestling gameplan to get those scattered takedowns. The striking will be close but with a small edge to Hendricks, and the few takedowns koscheck will get should earn him at least 2 rounds.

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02-12-2012 , 08:31 PM
yeah i seemed to have underestimated pierce too
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02-12-2012 , 08:40 PM
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if koscheck robbed pierce we have as much ammo to say hendricks robbed pierce.
Hendricks had a lot more going for him in the standup department in that fight and that fight was a lot closer in my books than pierce koscheck fight.
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02-12-2012 , 10:31 PM
Hendricks is younger and throws much better punches than Koscheck. I just don't believe Koscheck can beat any of these new top WWs (Hendricks, Pierce, Story, Ellenberger) in a fight that's primarily contested on the feet. Pierce already outstruck Koscheck, now it's Hendricks' turn. But as you said, we may be looking at another close decision so I guess we'll have to wait and see where the line comes.
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