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04-09-2022 , 12:49 AM
Gonna go out on a limb as well and say while Li is technically ranked he probably shouldn't be

He's 10-5 in the UFC

Of his wins, only two are against guys of guys who are were ranked or could be at the time of the fight (Ponzinibbo and EZDS - too lazy to go back and check if they were ranked at fight time I assume at least Ponz was)

Of his losses, two are to consensus top 15 guys (Chimaev and Magny) and the rest are to guys who are nowhere near a ranking (although Matthews has the ability to be he's never put it all together)

But if we're gonna rank a UFC top 15 who does Li replace from this list

Usman, Colby, Burns, Luque, Edwards, Muhammad, Brady, Masvidal, Chiesa, Magny, Wonderboy, Chimaev - that's 12 guys he's definitely below, yes Wonderboy's best days are behind him but he's 100% be a clear opening fav vs Li still and all of the others even more clearly are too

Then we get to Neal, Salikhov, Rakhmonov, Holland and one could argue Pereira and Gunnar as well would open favs over Li if they fought as well
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04-09-2022 , 12:56 AM
You're stretching quite a bit talking about which ranked guys that fighters have beaten. Usman had beaten exactly two Top 15 guys when he got his title shot against Tyron Woodley.

BTW, the top 15 rankings do not include the champion.
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04-09-2022 , 02:11 PM
Gilbert Burns looks more roided up than Dana White. You sure he can go a full 3 rounds? Hopefully the CEO of EPO hooked him up with his pharmacist. He's going to need it.
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04-09-2022 , 02:38 PM
do they do testing in mma?
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04-09-2022 , 03:44 PM
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do they do testing in mma?
Yes, it's had pretty much the most stringent testing in all of sports since 2015 (one could argue it's too stringent). In the old days steroid use was rampant and pretty much the norm in MMA. Even though the system is super stringent, there are still loopholes which can be exploited.

Gilbert Burns comes from the team formerly known as Blackzillians which is known to have some of the worst steroid offenders in the entire sport including the likes of Vitor "TRT" Belfort and Alistair Overeem. Even though Overeem is the most obvious physical example, Vitor's use is possibly the most heinous as he seemed to take his game to a completely different level thanks to performance enhancers. In general there seems to be a great culture of steroid abuse in Brazilian MMA as an excessive # of Brazilians have been busted for banned substances and just take a look at Paulo Costa, ffs.
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04-09-2022 , 09:19 PM
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I mean they're all favs to win, but I think Yan is def the most likely to lose of the 3, people forget Aljo was actually winning early rounds before Yan tagged him a bit and he started slowing down, if Aljo paces himself a bit better while still throwing volume he's def live

Khamzat should win if he's the real deal which everyone expects but it is worth noting he had long covid so who knows how his cardio will look over 5 rounds as the fight goes deep. Burns is a good real test for him and we'll know one way or the other after the card but obv Burn

Volk should be better everywhere, his only threat is puncher's chance really and yes KZ has a decent puncher's chance, I guess slim chance of a random sub too but if Ortega can't get him I doubt KZ will. Wouldn't be surprised if he finishes KZ via accumulation of damage.

Dern/Torres is a very interesting fight for me, obv Dern sub or Torres dec. Madsen/Pichel too altho obv too old for either of them to make a title run or anything I wanted Madsen early but didn't get around to it


Think yan figure out sterling in first fight and will just dominate. Think yan is free money if you ask me. When you change momentum if a fight like he did and just dominate someone, I don’t see fight 2 going another way (but it’s ufc so anything can happen obv).

Think Gilbert burns is pure value bet. If Chimaev is the monster most make him out to be, he prolly wins easily but he hasn’t been tested yet. I feel it could be tough if he goes into round 2+3 against a top 5 guy. He hasn’t fought anyone of real substance yet. However he obv has looked so amazing even against mediocre competition. Think that fight is going to be the best fight on the card to watch. If chimaev wins easily, he’s prolly ez too 2-3 fighter at that weight class now and will fight for belt very soon bc his style is so entertaining to watch. Should be interesting to see what happens tonight.

Anyone know if you can stream ufc ppv for free or have tips where to search? I don’t want to pay $75 to watch 1-2 fights I find interesting while the others I could care less about. Just don’t see value in paying that amount honestly.
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04-09-2022 , 09:28 PM
The guys Chimaev has beaten are not mediocre. Far from it. Meerschaert went 3-0 in the UFC last year, all finishes. Don't be surprised if after this fight you're still saying that Chimaev has yet to be tested.
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04-09-2022 , 10:24 PM
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The guys Chimaev has beaten are not mediocre. Far from it. Meerschaert went 3-0 in the UFC last year, all finishes. Don't be surprised if after this fight you're still saying that Chimaev has yet to be tested.
He went 3-0 against Tom, dick, and harry? Lmao. Top 5 in a weight class is a different ballgame sir.
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04-10-2022 , 12:07 AM
Congrats to everyone that bet Burns. Y'all were right. He definitely tested Chimaev. I'm sure some see Chimaev as having passed this test with flying colors, but I think Burns actually exposed some real flaws in his game.
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04-10-2022 , 12:08 AM
Fight of the year Burns/Chimaev

Pretty happy w my Burns bet results aside, what a fight

Had some Dern, Rodriguez and Madsen which was nice, got some Aljo here, Burns was def live and I have Aljo live too

I like Volk to win too obv but unbettable fav
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04-10-2022 , 12:10 AM
It's worth remembering Burns rocked Usman too

Theres talk of Chimaev/Colby, but they should strike now while he's undefeated and make Chimaev/Usman, feels like both are competitive fights against Colby and Usman. Burns was so good there too, pushed Chimaev to a contested decision

We deserved two more rounds of Burns/Chimaev there
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04-10-2022 , 12:10 AM
I think that fight was more about how good Burns is than Chimaev being overrated or anything

might be some value on Chimaev going forward now after he looked mortal
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04-10-2022 , 12:15 AM
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I think that fight was more about how good Burns is than Chimaev being overrated or anything

might be some value on Chimaev going forward now after he looked mortal
agreed on both accounts
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04-10-2022 , 12:19 AM
Burns is a great fighter but Chimaev relied too much on his right hand, was too hittable, and showed some questionable decision making (inexperience). Also even though he has a wrestling base his ground game is likely pretty green given he didn't even attempt to really test himself there vs Burns (albeit that's not really a concern vs Covington or Usman).

Also, the fight showed that Chimaev does not really seem to be the evolution of the division, but rather just another guy in the mix. Even if he were to win the title, it will likely be very hard fought, not anywhere close to as dominant as when Jon Jones first came up.
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04-10-2022 , 12:55 AM
thought Yan won rd 1 and thus the fight
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04-10-2022 , 01:01 AM
I wasn't scoring round 1 so not sure. I thought Aljo might have gotten a 10-8 so I thought a draw was likely. After Round 3 I was thinking people would start having to put some respect on the funkmaster's name. The human backpack. Then he went out and laid a huge turd in rounds 4 and 5.
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04-10-2022 , 01:06 AM
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Burns is a great fighter but Chimaev relied too much on his right hand, was too hittable, and showed some questionable decision making (inexperience). Also even though he has a wrestling base his ground game is likely pretty green given he didn't even attempt to really test himself there vs Burns (albeit that's not really a concern vs Covington or Usman).

Also, the fight showed that Chimaev does not really seem to be the evolution of the division, but rather just another guy in the mix. Even if he were to win the title, it will likely be very hard fought, not anywhere close to as dominant as when Jon Jones first came up.
Izzy evolution of his division, no one has touched him since Gastelum fight
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04-10-2022 , 02:00 AM
Aljo for the big card for me

Great performance by Volk too. I had Aljo 48-47 altho obv comes down to r1 but I thought he won r1 clearly with the body kicks, Yan was the aggressor but didn't really land anything damaging in r1

I find it hilarious and sad the Florida crowd was cheering for the pro-Putin Russian over their home grown American champ, just pathetic by the Florida crowd

Then Yan was a complete crybaby trying to claim he won clearly at best it was a coinflip decision for him, clearly lost 2/3 and I had him clearly losing r1 too

r1 was close, but pretty clear Sterling imo

FOTY for Burns/Chimaev for anyone who hasn't watched it it's a must watch
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04-10-2022 , 02:57 AM
Nothing wrong with cheering for a Russian fighter. I find it far more offensive that people cheer for someone just because they are from the same country. Speaking of which, Ian Garry, you suck!

The crowd was kind of weird though. Seemed like they were booing Malott because he was from Canada, although they did get behind him when he said he was donating his show money to fight cancer.

Regarding Yan, the line of questioning was just stupid. Why the **** would they ask him what rounds he won? He was in their fighting for his life for 25 minutes, not grading rounds. He likely didn't even completely remember which round was which.
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04-10-2022 , 03:34 AM
In the post fight press conference, Chimaev admitted he fought stupidly and was trying too hard for the knockout. It's good that he recognized that. Given that this was pretty much his first time in the bright lights, hopefully he'll be more calm in his next fight.
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04-10-2022 , 03:59 AM
Nothing wrong with cheering for a Russian like Rublev who is anti war sure

I guess Yan said he's against war but he went out of his way to cuss out Aljo for his team posing with a Ukrainian flag trying to make it all about himself and then cried like a btch about the decision as if he clearly won all 5 rounds and was robbed, after spending months talking **** about how he would 'end' Aljo then clearly loses 3 rounds and complains about it as if he was robbed.

Strikes me as an entitled bully used to getting his way. Glad Aljo got the win and not only because I bet on him

The crowd were absolute trash all night, booing fighters after good fights etc

Chimaev/Burns fight of the year so far. Both guys absolute warriors.

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04-14-2022 , 01:22 PM
Does anyone have an account on stars? I’m not sure if they capped my bets due to results or if they have a new policy on early markets…. I’m getting capped on all bets max between $1 and $15.

Their support has been no help.
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04-14-2022 , 02:47 PM
Chimaev was fasting for Ramadan the week+ leading up to the Burns fight. Not sure if that explains why he only barely beat one of the top fighters in the division but it's something to consider. Belal Muhammed is also fasting for Ramadan. He says he has the process down, although from what I can tell the only time he fought in the middle of Ramadan in the UFC was in 2018 (Win vs Chance Rencountre). Back in 2016 he did lose to Alan Jouban a couple days after Ramadan.

Khabib never fought during or shortly after Ramadan.
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04-14-2022 , 06:05 PM
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Does anyone have an account on stars? I’m not sure if they capped my bets due to results or if they have a new policy on early markets…. I’m getting capped on all bets max between $1 and $15.

Their support has been no help.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/4...l#post57628972

that thread will likely be more help

sounds like you've been limited though and will need to find a new book, there's no point in them offering a market if across the board they cap everything at $15
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04-15-2022 , 12:42 AM
Most books limit winners eventually you'll need to try another book

Some offshore books like Pinnacle and Betcris don't limit (and ones like Topsport in Australia) along with exchanges like Betfair but not sure if you can access any of those if you're American

@jkpoker PM'd you some stuff to google to find streams
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