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12-13-2020 , 02:24 AM
Loss obv.

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My live Moreno bet at +329 was a push, it depends on your book.
That's a two way result.

What a screwjob though, 1 and 5 were clear Fig. 3 was closer but still Fig, 4 was only round I'd agree that Moreno had an edge.

Gtfo with this scoring bs where a meaningless takedowns negate a bunch of hard shots. Fig shots actually had an impact, Moreno's weren't near as significant.

Point deduction was kinda meh too, I get it that it could've impacted the fight but at least let's try to be consistent in following the rules and have a standard and not just pick and choose when we take points off after a foul.
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12-13-2020 , 02:33 AM
Lmao, the Japanese judge with a 10-9 Moreno 5th. That is unbelievably bad.

http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision...Brandon-Moreno

3rd I can get behind for a 10-8 even though I don't agree with it and felt it should be 9-9, but a 5th 10-9 Moreno should be fired on the spot material.

Also, actual scorecard:

https://twitter.com/UFCNews/status/1...5Es1_&ref_url=

Just wow.

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12-13-2020 , 02:33 AM
I actually like that Herzog took a point for the 1st low blow because Fig was fading hard and Moreno was on his face.

Fig got almost 5 minutes rest while Moreno rolled on the floor in pain.

I actually find bullshit some fictitious rule that you have to be kicked hard on the nuts 3x for the ref to take a point. It should be a decision based on how it affect the outcome of the fights and not some 1st soft warning followed by a strong warning and then a point off.
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12-13-2020 , 02:40 AM
Well, boxing had a rule where an accidental cut would cause an immediate point deduction for the other party to "even the playing field." Think it's not respected by all governing bodies though. They also have a rule where a foul causes any type of injury but the bout continues to sanction two points off from the offending fighter.

Problem with MMA is that the point deduction is much more meaningful than in boxing, and it's totally at the ref's discretion. Sometimes we see no point deduction after 3+ nut shots or 3+ eyes pokes like in many Jones fights.

I agree with taking a point off for more impactful fouls but there needs to be some consistency applied to it, and not just you get a pass because it's a first foul type of mentality.
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12-13-2020 , 02:42 AM
Looking forward at next card,

Michel Pereira Vs khaos Williams (+105) ... surprised this dudes a dog after last performance
And I need to watch some Michael pereira latest fights again but surprised this guy is a favorite with his record
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12-13-2020 , 03:16 AM
if you bet decision in props, that'll be a loss. if you bet a live moneyline it'll be a push. props are written as binary yes or no propositions. when you make that bet it'll go, Moreno wins by decision : YES, which didn't happen here. and since there are draw props it's a different outcome. i thought it was a fairly clear 48-46 for figgy. one judge gave 5 to moreno which sealed the draw. incredible.
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12-13-2020 , 04:35 AM
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Looking forward at next card,

Michel Pereira Vs khaos Williams (+105) ... surprised this dudes a dog after last performance
And I need to watch some Michael pereira latest fights again but surprised this guy is a favorite with his record
Here you go:













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12-13-2020 , 04:06 PM
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if you bet decision in props, that'll be a loss. if you bet a live moneyline it'll be a push. props are written as binary yes or no propositions. when you make that bet it'll go, Moreno wins by decision : YES, which didn't happen here. and since there are draw props it's a different outcome. i thought it was a fairly clear 48-46 for figgy. one judge gave 5 to moreno which sealed the draw. incredible.
ok, ya i bet vs a friend following pinnacle lines, so the options were only yes or no on decision.
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12-13-2020 , 11:20 PM
This Wonderboy line is reversing now, at -102 on Pinnacle after it hit as much as -175 on some books after opening.

If I had a gun to my head I would bet Geoff Neal at these odds (-110), glad i dont.
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12-14-2020 , 04:00 AM
I still think Wonderboy is one of the most underrated fighters in the UFC, got a bad price now but I feel like he wins

He'll fall off a cliff eventually but I legitimately think he's one of the biggest threats in the division
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12-14-2020 , 08:26 PM
Wonderboy seems fine, he's not taken too much damage, 2 bombs by Woodley and 1 by Pettis. His chin isn't shot and he still looks incredible imo, honestly think if he's still hungry could make a run and win the title with 3 years.

So many good spots next week, and really good prices.

Aldo
Tybura
Thompson
Pannie
Arroyo
Santos
Pereira
Lima

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12-14-2020 , 08:40 PM
That's a very interesting matchup. Neal is the dude that nobody should want to stand with, but that's exactly what Wonderboy will do.

If Wonderboy takes as many shots as he did vs Luque then he's going to sleep. Belal Muhammed was able to take 71 strikes from Neal and made it to a decision but was dropped twice in the 3rd by shots that would have KO'ed most. Wonderboy is extremely elusive though and generally doesn't take that many shots. Neal catches a lot of his opponents with head kicks and he's unlikely to catch Wonderboy with that. Still, gotta worry about the power in his hands.

Thompson's most likely path to victory is to stay out in kickboxing range and point fight for a decision.
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12-15-2020 , 08:37 PM
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I actually like that Herzog took a point for the 1st low blow because Fig was fading hard and Moreno was on his face.

Fig got almost 5 minutes rest while Moreno rolled on the floor in pain.

I actually find bullshit some fictitious rule that you have to be kicked hard on the nuts 3x for the ref to take a point. It should be a decision based on how it affect the outcome of the fights and not some 1st soft warning followed by a strong warning and then a point off.
I fully agree with this.
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12-15-2020 , 08:45 PM
Last weekend was the night of the purge for the UFC.

They have announced cutting 80 fighters and it's directed at "big name" fighters that can't realistically win the belt whom draw big salaries. Therefore they match them against up and comers and let them shine off of older fighters broken name.

JDS
Souza
Swanson (although that didn't go as planned). The first 2's UFC careers are done.

Wonderboy
Aldo
Pettis

Could all be next.
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12-15-2020 , 09:16 PM
Wonderboy? No way. He's the perfect gate keeper for the WW division (ok, sure Pettis beat him but most believe that to be a fluke).

Wonderboy has a lot left in the tank. He also sort of has a social media presence and the fans seem to appreciate his nice guy shtick.
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12-16-2020 , 06:15 AM
Yeah they're not gonna cut Wonderboy. I think they give Jacare one more payday since he just opened up his BJJ school. They have a bunch of no name middle of the road fighters that nobody cares about, they can easily cut a lot of fat out of there.
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12-16-2020 , 09:05 AM
If they cut Wonderboy thats an absolute gift to Bellator, he's lost 1 fight conclusively in the UFC since he was a rookie (the Pettis KO, in a fight he was completely dominating until the finish)

He went to 2 close decisions with Woodley the champ, and lost a close dec to Till that most media outlets scored for him (and that I scored for him 48-47 personally)

In his last 4 fights he dismantled the 'BMF' Masvidal (who would never rematch him and Wonderboy wrecks him via technical striking most of the time), beat ranked contender Luque, lost an either way decision to Till who is ranked, and the Pettis flash KO where he had won every moment of the fight until the finish. He's been finished once in the UFC ever. He is a striker and while yes he goes to decision a lot he has a highlight reel of finishes in the UFC (Stittgen, Hendricks, Ellenberger, Whittaker, etc)

Sure he's fairly old at 37, but he hasn't taken much damage, he's only really taken 3 hard shots in his UFC career the two Woodley bombs both of which he survived and the Pettis flash KO in a fight he was winning (plus a bunch of volume vs Brown)

Other than that he's basically taken no major damage in his other fights

...and he's coming off a win to Luque, if he was coming off a loss or two sure, but if they cut him if he loses to Neal (and I make him the fav there) then what incentive does any vet coming off a ranked win have to fight a prospect ever if you get cut if you lose

If Wonderboy loses 3 in a row, by all means cut him (or maybe two brutal KOs in a row) but until then he's a ranked top 5 contender. He's 37, not 42, he could have a good 2-3 years left and could fight 4-6 times in that time easily.

If he was a boring wrestler I get it but he's a unique striker there is absolutely no reason to cut him unless his chin gets shot or he loses 3+ in a row

If they want to cut overpaid vets sure go for it but there are a ton of guys you cut before Wonderboy, he's probably top a top 10 draw for me personally still in how much interest I have in his fights and at worst should be top 5 in the weight class for most people
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12-16-2020 , 03:23 PM
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Yeah they're not gonna cut Wonderboy. I think they give Jacare one more payday since he just opened up his BJJ school. They have a bunch of no name middle of the road fighters that nobody cares about, they can easily cut a lot of fat out of there.
Jacare gets paid a lot more than those middle of the road fighters. The UFC is going to cut like 60 fighters. Jacare seems like the perfect candidate.
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12-17-2020 , 05:56 AM
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I'm sure Conor could bulk to 180-185ish if he needed to if the money was worth it for him etc

Paul would be drawing dead he's fought an assortment of tomato cans while yes, Conor is an MMA fighter not a boxer he at least is one of the best strikers in MMA, an actual combat sport and he's large enough that his punches could hurt anyone (if he was 130 lbs or something you'd have a case for the size mattering but Conor could bulk to be a small MW at least if he had to) and if Conor had boxed his whole life instead of trained in MMA he would have at least been a mid level boxer

I'm likening this to Gallen vs Hunt which is on in a couple weeks, Gallen is 9-0 vs non pro boxers and tomato cans but he's a 39 year old ex footballer not a boxer and he's fighting his first actual elite combat sports striker granted from MMA not boxing. Sure he's a very good boxer for a non boxer in the way Jake Paul is, and yes, Mark Hunt is washed up, but in no universe does Mark Hunt lose a fight to a guy who is not a real combat sports athlete.

Granted it is boxing and the judges could fix it or whatever if it goes the distance, but I mean the actual fight who objectively wins it and i'd expect Hunt puts Gallen down for the count the first time he connects because it's still HW even with larger gloves
Time to eat crow and jump on that Jake Paul bandwagon!

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Yeah I mean Conor can't beat Floyd Mayweather but he's at least -1000 against Jake Paul in boxing. Paul would have a size advantage I think but if Conor bulks a bit for it or even if he doesn't really, he's big enough to put Paul out cold the first time he connects with a shot, he's not some random can like the guys Paul has been fighting, sure he's not a boxer either but he knows how to throw a punch and has some actual technique etc

Same reason Mark Hunt is going to wreck Paul Gallen in the boxing next month, Gallen is a few years younger but he's been fighting random NRL/AFL players and random amateur plumbers and cans like that, Mark Hunt may not be a boxer but he is a legitimate combat sports athlete even if he's old and washed up and Hunt will just wreck him
You're right about one thing. Mark hunt is NOT a boxer and it definitely showed. Just throwing haymakers doesn't work as well with boxing gloves.

I'm reminded of Paulie Malignaggi losing to Artem Lobov in bare knuckle. Point fighting doesn't work as well in a real fight as it does in a boxing match.

Being a good combat sports athlete does not mean you are a good boxer.
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12-17-2020 , 08:43 AM
To be fair Hunt was an accomplished K1 striker and was always more effective with his hands then his feet.

Not a huge amount I like on this card but got a few bets.

Hardy at 1.9
Neal KO at 4.0
Eubanks by Submission at 9.0
Dalcha at 3.35

Went on the Trademate Sports podcast again this week to discuss the card and any decent value betting opportunities.

If anyone fancies a listen.

https://youtu.be/VNh2g6C2uu8
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12-17-2020 , 10:33 AM
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Yeah I mean Conor can't beat Floyd Mayweather but he's at least -1000 against Jake Paul in boxing. Paul would have a size advantage I think but if Conor bulks a bit for it or even if he doesn't really, he's big enough to put Paul out cold the first time he connects with a shot, he's not some random can like the guys Paul has been fighting, sure he's not a boxer either but he knows how to throw a punch and has some actual technique etc

Same reason Mark Hunt is going to wreck Paul Gallen in the boxing next month, Gallen is a few years younger but he's been fighting random NRL/AFL players and random amateur plumbers and cans like that, Mark Hunt may not be a boxer but he is a legitimate combat sports athlete even if he's old and washed up and Hunt will just wreck him
Paul Gallen though
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12-17-2020 , 10:54 AM
Id pick up some Khaos "Listonhands " Williams plus numbers imo, going to be bit too much for Pereira, for Pereira to win he is going to need to really use movement and get some thing going and then really capitalise on it fast hard and get it done, as fighters get better and better it gets harder to deliver wins factoring in flashy stuff, mano mano Williams would walk through Pereira, of course he is a beast but id look up some plus numbers on mr liston mojo,

super fight right there, thou Pereira never got Diego out of there , and in he gets with Khaos and he is fav?
some thing not super accurate



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12-17-2020 , 09:56 PM
Ya I was pretty lucky to end up no bet Gallen hunt with lol boxing corruption etc all the late gallen steam scared me off betting it

Just on Wonderboy atm but I want to fade pettis and take Morono prob and I'll likely get some Khaos too idk
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12-18-2020 , 02:05 PM




Khaos Williams, W, single 1/1 , £35, potential return £70

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12-18-2020 , 03:43 PM
I’m on that Khaos Williams at +104 at pinny. 1u

Good luck everyone $$$
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