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10-17-2020 , 11:33 PM
Haven't seen the fight yet so idk I only caught the end of the card but looks like the bulk of media cards were for Mullarkey
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10-17-2020 , 11:52 PM
Taking some Khabib -278 for next week

I like a few others too but gonna lock that in now I think, may do some props too

I think I like Whittaker as a small dog too, will need to chat to some sharp guys to be honest I would have expected Whittaker to be -150, Cannonier is good but if he doesn't put Whittaker out cold which no one other than the champ has been able to do I feel like he's going to struggle to win rounds, Whittaker is so well rounded.

Struve vs Tuivasa is a tough one to call at his best Struve wins easily but he's rarely at his best these days he's either going to get his head knocked off quickly or win so who knows

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10-18-2020 , 04:58 AM
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Tried to back Cyborg at 1.14 but was allowed to win £1 on it (joke bookies), put up money on the exchange at the same odds but no takers.

She should have been 1.05 range.

So far got Almeida for tomorrow at 1.83, mulled this over a bit but he is a level above Martinez and although he is coming off a big layoff I still he should have too much.

Also on Ortega at 2.7. I think this bet either looks like great value or terrible within the first two rounds. Zombie's being a little overvalued I think coming off two quick knockouts.

Ortega is trouble for most guys with his range, ground skills and durability. Again he is coming off a layoff and a bad beating at the hands of Holloway. Given his age though I think its more likely he has improved since rather then regressed.
Winning night thanks to Ortega looking sharp. Think he needs a few more fights before I'd like to see him fight Volk. Always thought if he developed a better kicking game he would be a problem for anyone given his ground game is good.

Would actually take 3.0 on him against Volk, no idea what the odds will be for that one imagine it will be a little closer.
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10-18-2020 , 07:19 AM
Market always loves to back Ortega he was evens vs Max lol

I expect something like Volk -180 Ortega +160 will be all over Volk if thats the ballpark

Hoping for even money for load the cannons obv

Would pass above -200 or so prob even though I expect Volk will dismantle him since Ortega both has power and subs, but I see no universe in which he wins a decision, granted I didn't expect that today as I thought KZ would pressure him, the only times KZ looked good were when he came forward and threw volume

I think Volk will mess him up badly the same way Max did in a prolonged beatdown

Got my first bet for next weekend, medium on Khabib -277 tried to get a ton on, got an okay amount on, that will do I guess, might look at some props closer to the fight when limits are better

Can anyone talk me out of betting on Whittaker assuming he looks good at weigh ins, the line looks WAY too good almost like it has to be a trap
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10-18-2020 , 11:30 AM
I like Cannonier, been really impressed with him since the Branch fight.
Looks really strong, he's patient with his striking, hits hard got a solid chin.

Not seen him go 5 rounds yet so that's a slight concern.

I backed Whittaker to beat Till but I think he doesn't take a shot as well as he used too. Going to be a close fight but I think Cannonier lands the harder shots and is the more likely to get the finish.
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10-18-2020 , 12:48 PM
Appreciate the post

He's been through some wars but is only 29 and got caught off balance at 170 by Wonderboy and had a truly terrible gameplan vs Adesanya

Just don't see Cannonier as proven yet and Cannonier is ! 7 ! years older than Whittaker which I did not realise until I just looked it up. He's also been TKO'd twice, although at HW and LHW by Shawn Jordan and Reyes, so nothing to be ashamed of really

Being 36 matters less at MW than say LW or BW, but it does still matter. I like Whittaker a bit more now. Going to wait for him to look good at weigh in and get on if he does. A lot will depend if he's still in a good place mentally after the Till win since he's had struggles with getting his head right, but I def see him winning over half the time here. He's a lot more tested and again 7 years younger.
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10-18-2020 , 01:07 PM
i think cannonier has had a lot of success being an anti-grappler at 185, something he struggled with at 205+. One way I like to think about it is how would Whittaker have looked against Branch, Anderson, and Jack, and those fights are all super favorable to Rob. Branch and Jack need to wrestle to win and theyre obviously not going to do it vs. Rob, and anderson is just old. I'm leaning Rob but there's obvious danger in this fight for him. Will have a better idea after I rewatch Cannonier's last 4 fights. i'm not too worried about his fight vs. izzy, cause obviously Izzy is just on another level to these guys striking. in my mind, cannonier is pretty flat footed, and i think rob's blitzes should be pretty effective. i think he'll have a hard time tracking rob down, could be wrong though.

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10-18-2020 , 09:38 PM
Cannonier does have a reach advantage which may help him but Whittaker seems pretty decent at moving in/out of range with the possible exception of Adesanya and even that fight was competitive until the finish

I'll need to rewatch Cannoniers last few fights too, I clearly remember all of Whittakers but prob need to refresh myself on the Branch fight at least I think I remember the Hermansson one fully but might check that too
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10-20-2020 , 10:11 AM
Got some Whittaker at a nice price today off market dog odds still

On Khabib and Whittaker so far, not sure what else i'll get, may still add more Whittaker if he looks good at weigh ins.

Kinda tempted by the unders in both HW fights, either could go the distance sure but Tuivasa probably KO's Struve at some point or gets taken down and subbed quickly and Harris will kill Volkov in r1 a lot, or get the crap beat out of him for 3 rounds and may run out of cardio at some point and get finished. I don't think Harris wins a decision basically ever unless he's drastically changed gameplans from the Reem fight and Volkov gets an accumulation of damage KO or a decision pretty equally, but if Harris wins it'll be ITD and if Volkov does it could go either way imo

Sharp friend likes Cutelaba so i'll consider it but coming off getting Covid idk even as a decent dog

Will keep an eye out for nice Khabib sub or dec lines since Gaethje has a chin and when Khabib wins which is most of the time it'll be grappling heavy I think he taps Gaethje more than he TKO's him with GnP and he'll win a decision ranging from 49-46 to 50-43 a lot via ragdolling
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10-20-2020 , 02:08 PM
cutelaba is not a sharp bet at all there imo. will def be on ankalaev. cutelaba has 1st rd ko equity, against a guy with a good chin and better striking than him. then ankalaev has a massive grappling and cardio advantage in rds 2-3.
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10-21-2020 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Taking some Khabib -278 for next week

I like a few others too but gonna lock that in now I think, may do some props too
where do you find this line? showing at -300 or much worst everywhere.

or are you betting off-books like I think Poogs does or some other people do.

Really curious and love the discussion on this thread.
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10-21-2020 , 01:04 PM
Do you guys hedge your bets with putting some on the draw? I don't bet that much but was thinking if I was betting like 1k or more, whether it would be a good bet?

At 81-1, putting like $10 to cover your bet seems sensible, no?
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10-21-2020 , 03:28 PM
i'm sure the draw bet is almost always -ev, plus you don't even lose your bet on a draw.

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10-21-2020 , 03:45 PM
i don't see volkov getting ko'd that offten by harris. he's got a pretty iron chin, anyones getting put out by a flush counter shot from lewis when youre stepping into the pocket on one leg like a moron. so mad i missed out on the -150 on that fight.
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10-21-2020 , 04:39 PM
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i'm sure the draw bet is almost always -ev, plus you don't even lose your bet on a draw.
could of sworn bet365 give a loss when its a draw, i could be mistaken though.
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10-21-2020 , 07:31 PM
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where do you find this line? showing at -300 or much worst everywhere.

or are you betting off-books like I think Poogs does or some other people do.

Really curious and love the discussion on this thread.
Gone now but I got this one at tabtouch.com.au have a runner for in person bets at their terminals.

And yes I have access to a ton of soft locals hence often getting off market prices

Re draws it varies by book but most books have 2 way lines you only lose on a draw on books with 3 way lines
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10-21-2020 , 09:07 PM
If anyone wants to make money this weekend, parlay Khabib, Cannonier and Harris and hedge it with parlayed Khabib, Cannonier and Volkov.
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10-21-2020 , 09:20 PM
Khabib, Maverick, Whitaker and Rakhmanov - Parlay
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10-21-2020 , 09:46 PM
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Market always loves to back Ortega he was evens vs Max lol

I expect something like Volk -180 Ortega +160 will be all over Volk if thats the ballpark

Hoping for even money for load the cannons obv

Would pass above -200 or so prob even though I expect Volk will dismantle him since Ortega both has power and subs, but I see no universe in which he wins a decision, granted I didn't expect that today as I thought KZ would pressure him, the only times KZ looked good were when he came forward and threw volume

I think Volk will mess him up badly the same way Max did in a prolonged beatdown

Got my first bet for next weekend, medium on Khabib -277 tried to get a ton on, got an okay amount on, that will do I guess, might look at some props closer to the fight when limits are better

Can anyone talk me out of betting on Whittaker assuming he looks good at weigh ins, the line looks WAY too good almost like it has to be a trap
I can. Bet the cannon. He's a beast and will ko whittaker in rd1 or early r2. Adesanya called him out so he expects the same.
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10-22-2020 , 02:15 AM
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If anyone wants to make money this weekend, parlay Khabib, Cannonier and Harris and hedge it with parlayed Khabib, Cannonier and Volkov.
Lol what why wouldnt you just take a 2 leg parlay for twice as much Vs betting 3 leg with both sides paying vig both sides

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10-22-2020 , 05:24 AM
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I can. Bet the cannon. He's a beast and will ko whittaker in rd1 or early r2. Adesanya called him out so he expects the same.
Yep, I am pretty big on Cannonier at 1.95.
Whittaker bounces heavily on that front foot and Cannonier's leg kicking game is up there with Izzy's. Think unless he gets caught early, he slows Whittaker's movement and lands the bigger shots.

I understand why people like Whittaker , his resume on paper is better. But Cannonier is a bad match up for him.
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10-22-2020 , 05:28 AM
We'll see I guess, most of the sharp guys I know like Whittaker and I expected him to open as a fav

Pretty happy with just Whittaker and Khabib so far, but may take a few others
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10-22-2020 , 07:19 PM
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Got some Whittaker at a nice price today off market dog odds still

On Khabib and Whittaker so far, not sure what else i'll get, may still add more Whittaker if he looks good at weigh ins.

Kinda tempted by the unders in both HW fights, either could go the distance sure but Tuivasa probably KO's Struve at some point or gets taken down and subbed quickly and Harris will kill Volkov in r1 a lot, or get the crap beat out of him for 3 rounds and may run out of cardio at some point and get finished. I don't think Harris wins a decision basically ever unless he's drastically changed gameplans from the Reem fight and Volkov gets an accumulation of damage KO or a decision pretty equally, but if Harris wins it'll be ITD and if Volkov does it could go either way imo

Sharp friend likes Cutelaba so i'll consider it but coming off getting Covid idk even as a decent dog

Will keep an eye out for nice Khabib sub or dec lines since Gaethje has a chin and when Khabib wins which is most of the time it'll be grappling heavy I think he taps Gaethje more than he TKO's him with GnP and he'll win a decision ranging from 49-46 to 50-43 a lot via ragdolling
What did you get Whittaker at?
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10-22-2020 , 07:22 PM
I think tai will take a bit of time to get subbed. It usually takes him into the second round where he loses the energy to keep getting back up and gets subbed. It’s def possible he walks Stefan back early and kos him, that’s for sure. Taking struve though, May lord have mercy on my soul.
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10-22-2020 , 10:53 PM
I like the Cannon in this fight, I dont' think the wrestling will be of any significance, so that really leaves stand up and taken all things into account, I kinda feel the bet should on Cannonier.

He has so much power, I wouldn't be surprised of he could KO Whittaker with a jab.
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