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Old 06-20-2020, 06:10 PM   #51351
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Huge lack of experience? Robert Drysdale has fought in the UFC (undefeated in MMA) and has coached the likes of Forrest Griffin, Frank Mir, Randy Couture, Dan Hardy, Evan Dunham, Brad Tavares, Joanna Jędrzejczyk, Vitor Belfort, Wanderlei Silva, Kevin Randleman, Phil Baroni, Kevin Lee, and Joe Stevenson.

This isn't a lack of experience at all. This is the default for the vast majority of all MMA coaches. How often have you seen coaches stop UFC fights in situations like this?
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Old 06-20-2020, 06:18 PM   #51352
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Part of being a good coach is listening and knowing when to either step in and protect your fighter (in case the fighter is too stubborn to quit) and/or listen and know when your fighter has had enough!
This is actually not really the case though and is a big problem with the "throw in the towel" system and why it is virtually never used. A coach is primarily focused on winning the fight and that goes in direct conflict with the fighter's health and well being. It is the job of the ref and the ringside physician to protect the fighter, not the coach. Some fighters even refuse to be cornered by anyone that will throw in the towel (as was the case recently with Anthony Smith). A corner would never need to throw in the towel if the ref and/or physician are doing their job properly.
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Old 06-20-2020, 06:27 PM   #51353
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I think I just convinced myself that his coach did nothing wrong. This is a mental game and the coach's job is to get his fighter's mind in the game. He did everything he could to pump his fighter up. His fighter made the decision not to continue, which is fine, but really is just further proof that the coach/corner didn't need to make that decision for him.
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Old 06-20-2020, 06:44 PM   #51354
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yeah that was even easier than i thought. caseys upright style just leaves her completely unable to stop takedowns.
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Old 06-20-2020, 06:50 PM   #51355
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3 for 3 so far, took Hubbard at 2.62 as well as both Murphy and Robertson.
I guess I'l end up losing this next 1, but Piechota is a small dog at 2.1, so had to bet him
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:01 PM   #51356
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I think I just convinced myself that his coach did nothing wrong. This is a mental game and the coach's job is to get his fighter's mind in the game. He did everything he could to pump his fighter up. His fighter made the decision not to continue, which is fine, but really is just further proof that the coach/corner didn't need to make that decision for him.
Just had another think about this. A fighter should not have to plead with his coach to stop a fight, you are insane to think otherwise!

The fighter pleaded several times to stop it and the coach said NO several times and you think the coach did nothing wrong?????????????????

If the ref did not hear the fighter and that fight went on and the fighter dies, does the coach get charged with murder?

You don't think a coach has a moral responsibility to protect his fighter?

What if the ref didn't pick up what the fighter was saying? What if the fighter decides last second to fight on, because he can't be bothered to argue with his stubborn coach then get injured badly?

Some things the ringside doctor can't pick up on, if a fighter is injured or severely fatigued, in a lot of pain etc.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:03 PM   #51357
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Great performance that by Barriault just constant pressure broke him
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:08 PM   #51358
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It should never be the coach's responsibility to stop a fight. His job is in direct conflict with fighter safety. It is the responsibility of the UFC in conjunction with the sanctioning body. Thats why they provide a referee and a doctor for every single fight. If there is a problem with fighter safety the improvements should be made from that side of things, not from the coaching side.

BTW, you and I don't know the fighter as well as his coach. How often have you heard a ufc fighter quit on the stool? I can't say I've heard it very often. It seems likely to me that this fighter quitting is probably not abnormal for him. Some guys need to be pushed harder than others. The coach's job is to push him to be the best that he can be in the octagon, not help him find a way out when the going gets tough.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:13 PM   #51359
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Some things the ringside doctor can't pick up on, if a fighter is injured or severely fatigued, in a lot of pain etc.
These are all things a physician should be able to diagnose better than a coach, especially since the coach is focused on winning the fight while the physician is focused on fighter safety. I'm sure procedures can be improved but there is no reason that the UFC/sanctioning body can not fully handle fighter safety.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:20 PM   #51360
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Might be biased but thought Torres won that round
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:21 PM   #51361
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Thought Torres won that round but she's still a dog at 2.6 live.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:22 PM   #51362
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Tecia listened to me and is finally fighting much more aggro and really leaving it all in there!
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:25 PM   #51363
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Some one just opened up a tin of whoop arse, girls axe kick appreciation society
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:26 PM   #51364
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Nice should be 2-0 best Torres has looked for a while
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:28 PM   #51365
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Don't think I've ever seen Torres fight with so much aggression and willingness.. I knew she was capable of so much more, took some live after round 1. Only 1.87 but whatever!
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:34 PM   #51366
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3-0 for the night.
Just need Blaydes to win inside the distance now for a clean sweep.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:36 PM   #51367
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I'm going on Guida, changed my mind was on Green but his cardio is suspect and Guida is 3.0. Lets go. Small sweat.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:47 PM   #51368
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Had the Tecia +800 Inside sweat

Last few weeks have found some amazing prices on Inside bets and they've been such great sweats. -162 on Blaydes
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:47 PM   #51369
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Green done, big heavy breathing and trying to convince himself that Guida is tired lol!
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:59 PM   #51370
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Read that 1 incorrect, prob Green but hoping for another robbery against him!
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Old 06-20-2020, 08:06 PM   #51371
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Considering Bobby Greene had 1 win going back close to 6 years (vs a guy Guida beat too) I'd say the line was a bit ridiculous.
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Old 06-20-2020, 08:11 PM   #51372
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Staying with Roberts on this 1. My gut saying Roberts will win, despite my brain saying big experience gap but Miller old and slow now, going with the young hungry lion.
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Old 06-20-2020, 08:12 PM   #51373
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I like Roberts as well.
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Old 06-20-2020, 08:19 PM   #51374
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Nevermind lol

Not sure why he stood up. It looked like he was safe for the moment.
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Old 06-20-2020, 08:19 PM   #51375
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Old Miller still a sly fox!

Inexperience, I guess, pretty bad to stand up in that spot.
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