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Originally Posted by MesQueUnCule
This man defeated four-time World Combat Sambo Champion and MMA GOAT Fedor Emelianenko in the semi-finals of the 2008 World Sambo Championships and after that won the gold so... GTFO
BTW:
Sakai is a fraud
Woodley needs to find another job
Sambo is not MMA sure his hands were slightly better today but he lost badly to Sakai who indeed is not that good fringe top 15 at best. He also lost clearly to Ben Rothwell who is a plodder who only has size and nothing else of note. He has no top ten wins. Ever. I guess Tuivasa, Rothwell and Jordan are all top 20ish at least. Ivanov is not a contender at all and will never beat a top 10 fighter. Actually I take that back, Oleinik is somehow #10 and Ivanov matches up decently with him due to his sambo background and Oleinik being a slow mostly grappler - even then, the Oleinik that beat Werdum might outpoint him. He's a dog to everyone else in the top 15.
Sara McMann is an Olympic silver medallist, doesn't mean she's going to beat Amanda Nunes any time soon. Floyd Mayweather would get subbed inside of a round by the worst male fighter in his weight class. One sport can help you in MMA by providing a base but it isn't enough
If Ivanov was at all serious about being a contender in MMA he would be fighting at 205 and in shape, he's always fat and super small at HW which only works if you're incredibly fast, which he isn't.
Also Fedor isn't the GOAT, he is the HW GOAT but you can't call him the GOAT across all weight classes with any clarity. He's in the mix, but to call him a clear #1 is wrong.
Sure a lot of his losses were past his prime but Fedor was 34-35 when he lost 3 back to back to Werdum, Hendo and Bigfoot, it's not like he was 40+ for those fights, that's one year older than Francis Ngannou is now, and younger than most of the top 15 at HW currently are. Sure, he won his rivalries with Crocop and Big Nog, but we saw in the UFC granted on the tail end of their primes that none of them were unstoppable. Cro Cop lost to Gonzaga and then everyone, Nog lost to Mir and Cain etc
Don't get me wrong Fedor is still the HW goat by all accounts but Khabib is 28-0 and at 31 is only 3 fights away from Fedor's 31 fight streak plus those 3 wins will likely come against something like Gaethje/Ferguson/Conor again or similar if he has 3 more fights and wins them all he's very clearly got a better resume than Fedor once we add in Poirier, Conor again, prime Dos Anjos, then guys like Barboza etc on the next tier and even as infrequently as Khabib fights, if he fights until 35 and retires at even 1.5 fights a year that should be a minimum of 4 or 5 more.
If we allow steroid users Anderson was just as dominant as Fedor until age 37 and Jones is also undefeated with just as good a resume if not better as he's faced better opponents on average, and let's not kid ourselves Fedor was a Russian fighter in Pride. If he was clean more power to him, but i'm not sure any of the Pride HWs were clean back then. Granted if everyone was juicing then all of his opponents were too so it's a level playing field and I personally think Jones and Anderson disqualified themselves from GOAT contention when they failed drug tests. GSP also won titles in two weight classes and avenged his only losses and never failed a test. I'm not sure GSP quite makes it into GOAT consideration due to his losses though during his prime to Serra and Hughes and arguably Hendricks but he's top 5.
I still think Khabib is going to retire at the GOAT - if he beats Gaethje and Conor again, he matches up very well with Ferguson and is probably a -250ish favourite over Conor on any given day, and should be at least -200 against Gaethje. I'd say he's even money to win his next 3 fights and have an arguably better 31 fight streak than Fedor, plus a large chunk of that has been during the USADA era against modern lightweights in the deepest weight class in MMA and unlike Anderson and Jones he's never failed a test
I doubt Woodley will ever beat a top 5 fighter again but if he doesn't want to retire he'd do fine fighting #15-20 ranked guys, he's old and no need to fight on but if he wants to i'm sure he'd do fine against guys like Anthony Pettis who is the #15 ranked WW and he'd probably be a fav over Nate Diaz who is ranked 10 as well
Last edited by SwoopAE; 05-31-2020 at 12:39 PM.