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05-30-2020 , 09:56 PM
Ivanov is not good at all he just has a chin and is fearless

By all means he's UFC level but he'll never touch top 10 status

I have no faith in either guy in the co main but i'd never bet on Ivanov against anyone remotely competent anymore.

I hope Sakai is remotely competent, lol

Decided to back off my Carlyle sweat and just no bet for that one, sold it. Too much money trying to get on Quarantillo on betfair even though overall steams with Carlyle and I lean that side

My last sweat for the card is Sakai, which is a fade on Ivanov
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05-30-2020 , 10:18 PM
Spike was -104 live after the second but he is spent, probably gonna get subbed now even if up 2-0
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05-30-2020 , 10:19 PM
Alpha Ginger puts himself in so many bad positions but then he just Alphas his way through them.
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05-30-2020 , 10:39 PM
Come on Sakai, Ivanov is a fat slow tiny mess with a chin and nothing more, beat him up
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05-30-2020 , 10:45 PM
Ivanov's hands slightly faster than I remember

No idea how to score r1, Ivanov landed more punches, Sakai landed some hard leg kicks, who knows prob Ivanov on 2 judges cards at least? Idk
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05-30-2020 , 10:46 PM
His leg is going...
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05-30-2020 , 10:51 PM
that TD is key
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05-30-2020 , 10:52 PM
Got it 19-19, takedown not enough to steal the second for Ivanov, Sakai's def done a lot more damage in the fight with his kicks

Would rather be on my side right now, Sakai should win here if he doesn't get LNP'd cos Ivanov's legs are beat up
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05-30-2020 , 10:56 PM
That's some Jose Aldo-esque cheating via fence grab

Should have lost a point but works for me being on Sakai
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05-30-2020 , 10:58 PM
Got it 29-28 Sakai but ripe for bad judging could be anything if they go full MMA judge

Think he pretty clearly landed the better shots in r2-3 though
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05-30-2020 , 10:59 PM
Easiest -1 to penalize, Cormier even screamed it in case the ref wasn`t sure lol
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05-30-2020 , 11:00 PM
What the absolute **** is that 30-27 Ivanov card rofl

Fortunately right call
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05-30-2020 , 11:03 PM
that 30-27 pissed me off as much as the fence grab lol
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05-30-2020 , 11:08 PM
lets fade this Burns steam and end up with a decent night. took a nap and woke up to a disaster

Woodley -165
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05-30-2020 , 11:47 PM
lol 0-3 -3.6u from fading steam after the card started. should have just taken a nap through the entire card and walked away with a decent win

Gutierrez -105 over Morales Win +1
Royval +140 over elliott WIN +1.4
Royval/Ellit o2.5 -120 LOSS -1.2
Abreu +115 LOSS -1
Schevchenko -130 over Chookagian LOSS -1.3
Cifers/Dern u1.5 +115 WIN +1.15
Carlyle +105 LOSS -1
Burns/Woodley o4.5 +150 WIN +1.5
Woodley -165 LOSS -1.65
4-5 -1.1u

Props:
Sakai wins by 3RD +200 WIN +2
Dern wins by submission -135 (rear naked choke) WIN +1
Dern wins in R2 +350 LOSS -1
2-1 +2u
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05-30-2020 , 11:55 PM
i hope i never see woodley fight again

big losing night for me, only lost 2 bets, but i was big on both.
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05-31-2020 , 12:09 AM
So hopefully this finally knocks Woodley off the #1 contender ranking which he somehow held for over a year even though he was dominated in his last fight 50-45, 50-44, 50-44. One media member had that Usman fight 50-39 lol..most had it 50-42 or 50-43. Tonight's fight was closer as nearly everyone had it 50-44.

Another lackadaisical performance by Woodley, but we saw a lot of that even when he was the supposed greatest welterweight champion of all time, which btw was one of the biggest farces in sports history.
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05-31-2020 , 12:10 AM
Nice winning day for me, won a pile on Dern sub or dec won medium on Sakai and small on Chookagain and Rodriguez and lost small on Smolka and Rodriguez ITD

Up just under 2u for the card can't complain.

While I agree with Sakai winning and it worked out for me the UFC need to take a point on the first fence grab, literally if he lands the takedown and wins the round because of it it changed the outcome of the fight. Should have been a 28-28 draw with a point deduction but without it 29-28 Sakai was correct

What a performance by Burns in the main event, he's made me a believer, that was just amazing.

Nobody would have ever been calling Woodley the WW goat if the Wonderboy fights had been scored as I scored them (one was a clear 47-47, other was either 48-47 WB or another 47-47)

Wonderboy is STILL a favourite against Woodley and always has been imo but obv no one wants a trilogy fight

Burns has definitely earned a #1 contender fight if they don't give him the title shot straight up and while Woodley may not be done he's done as a contender and needs a big step down like say a #10-15 guy or something to see where he stands.
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05-31-2020 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Come on Sakai, Ivanov is a fat slow tiny mess with a chin and nothing more, beat him up
This man defeated four-time World Combat Sambo Champion and MMA GOAT Fedor Emelianenko in the semi-finals of the 2008 World Sambo Championships and after that won the gold so... GTFO

BTW:

Sakai is a fraud

Woodley needs to find another job
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05-31-2020 , 11:10 AM
Woodley vs. Perry/RDA if he needs paycheck or just retire and focus on something alse
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05-31-2020 , 11:32 AM
i don't think anyone was seriously ever calling woodley the WW goat... GSP still exists
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05-31-2020 , 11:55 AM
I always thought that Tyron was underappreciated fighter. He was underdog in 4 of his title fights. Hard work and talent got him a belt. But he said that fighting is not a passion for him so maybe it's time to hang gloves.
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05-31-2020 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MesQueUnCule
This man defeated four-time World Combat Sambo Champion and MMA GOAT Fedor Emelianenko in the semi-finals of the 2008 World Sambo Championships and after that won the gold so... GTFO

BTW:

Sakai is a fraud

Woodley needs to find another job
Sambo is not MMA sure his hands were slightly better today but he lost badly to Sakai who indeed is not that good fringe top 15 at best. He also lost clearly to Ben Rothwell who is a plodder who only has size and nothing else of note. He has no top ten wins. Ever. I guess Tuivasa, Rothwell and Jordan are all top 20ish at least. Ivanov is not a contender at all and will never beat a top 10 fighter. Actually I take that back, Oleinik is somehow #10 and Ivanov matches up decently with him due to his sambo background and Oleinik being a slow mostly grappler - even then, the Oleinik that beat Werdum might outpoint him. He's a dog to everyone else in the top 15.

Sara McMann is an Olympic silver medallist, doesn't mean she's going to beat Amanda Nunes any time soon. Floyd Mayweather would get subbed inside of a round by the worst male fighter in his weight class. One sport can help you in MMA by providing a base but it isn't enough

If Ivanov was at all serious about being a contender in MMA he would be fighting at 205 and in shape, he's always fat and super small at HW which only works if you're incredibly fast, which he isn't.

Also Fedor isn't the GOAT, he is the HW GOAT but you can't call him the GOAT across all weight classes with any clarity. He's in the mix, but to call him a clear #1 is wrong.

Sure a lot of his losses were past his prime but Fedor was 34-35 when he lost 3 back to back to Werdum, Hendo and Bigfoot, it's not like he was 40+ for those fights, that's one year older than Francis Ngannou is now, and younger than most of the top 15 at HW currently are. Sure, he won his rivalries with Crocop and Big Nog, but we saw in the UFC granted on the tail end of their primes that none of them were unstoppable. Cro Cop lost to Gonzaga and then everyone, Nog lost to Mir and Cain etc

Don't get me wrong Fedor is still the HW goat by all accounts but Khabib is 28-0 and at 31 is only 3 fights away from Fedor's 31 fight streak plus those 3 wins will likely come against something like Gaethje/Ferguson/Conor again or similar if he has 3 more fights and wins them all he's very clearly got a better resume than Fedor once we add in Poirier, Conor again, prime Dos Anjos, then guys like Barboza etc on the next tier and even as infrequently as Khabib fights, if he fights until 35 and retires at even 1.5 fights a year that should be a minimum of 4 or 5 more.

If we allow steroid users Anderson was just as dominant as Fedor until age 37 and Jones is also undefeated with just as good a resume if not better as he's faced better opponents on average, and let's not kid ourselves Fedor was a Russian fighter in Pride. If he was clean more power to him, but i'm not sure any of the Pride HWs were clean back then. Granted if everyone was juicing then all of his opponents were too so it's a level playing field and I personally think Jones and Anderson disqualified themselves from GOAT contention when they failed drug tests. GSP also won titles in two weight classes and avenged his only losses and never failed a test. I'm not sure GSP quite makes it into GOAT consideration due to his losses though during his prime to Serra and Hughes and arguably Hendricks but he's top 5.

I still think Khabib is going to retire at the GOAT - if he beats Gaethje and Conor again, he matches up very well with Ferguson and is probably a -250ish favourite over Conor on any given day, and should be at least -200 against Gaethje. I'd say he's even money to win his next 3 fights and have an arguably better 31 fight streak than Fedor, plus a large chunk of that has been during the USADA era against modern lightweights in the deepest weight class in MMA and unlike Anderson and Jones he's never failed a test

I doubt Woodley will ever beat a top 5 fighter again but if he doesn't want to retire he'd do fine fighting #15-20 ranked guys, he's old and no need to fight on but if he wants to i'm sure he'd do fine against guys like Anthony Pettis who is the #15 ranked WW and he'd probably be a fav over Nate Diaz who is ranked 10 as well

Last edited by SwoopAE; 05-31-2020 at 12:39 PM.
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05-31-2020 , 12:58 PM
Fedor is not the HW GOAT. Ivanov is a lot more skilled than you are giving him credit for. Rothwell is a lot more skilled than you are giving him credit for. There is a lot more to fighting than just technical striking.

Ivanov may be the toughest son of a ***** in MMA and that's saying a lot. Sakai is the very rare big HW that is light on his feet and a skilled striker. Even so he was fortunate to get out of that fight with a W.
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05-31-2020 , 01:13 PM
GSP was not in his prime when he lost to Hughes. He was 23 years old and less than 3 years into his mma career (1st year in the UFC). Anderson Silva, who is 6 years older and started his career 5 years earlier than GSP was more in his prime when he lost to Ryo Chonan.

You had GSP's prime extending from 2004 until 2013, with GSP losing to Hughes, Serra, and Hendricks (not on the scorecard). From 2004 through 2013 Anderson lost to Ryo Chonan, Yushin Okami (albeit that was an error on Silva's part), and Chris Weidman twice. If you want to shift Silva's prime to be earlier then he has a loss to Daiju Takase (a fighter with a losing record) rather than Weidman. He was also fortunate to get out of the Sonnen fight with a victory. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that all indications are that GSP was clean (a big advocate fighting against steroid usage) whereas Silva actually tested positive.
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