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Originally Posted by Joe Pulaski
why do you like koch? i'm waffling on betting stewart. koch is going to be undersized, never the most durable guy. stewarts glaring weakness is his grappling but koch is a decent grappler but not overpowering and he'll be really undersized. there's a chance he moves up and does laps around the bigger welterweight like in the warlley alves/james krause fight but koch seems to struggle when people just come after him and stewart isn't a bad scrapper if he can keep it standing. goes from fighting the biggest welterweight on the roster to possibly fighting the smallest welterweight on the roster. should do a lot to fix his grapplng issues.
I realize it's easy for me to say this after the fact, but I thought Koch was the bet of the card going into this fight and had a pretty big bet on him. I also realize there's no way for me to support this claim, but FWIW I'm telling the truth here. When the line opened I legitimately couldn't understand why he was being priced as an underdog, the only thing I could think of is that people just saw Koch's record and didn't really do any further research on it, but I didn't really understand it because he seemed like the much more complete and experienced fighter coming into this fight, and this was also a must win for him to continue having his UFC career. Not sure how much the "must win" angle matters, but it probably doesn't hurt.
I have to confess I didn't really think too much about the size difference but to be honest I don't really see why you expected that to be such a decisive advantage (although obviously this is easy to say in hindsight). Guys move up from lightweight all the time, sure, some guys are probably a little too small (Cowboy and RDA come to mind, although they both beat some tough guys at WW) but other guys like Masvidal do just fine and I think unless you're either fighting a really good wrestler or a really talented guy who knows how to use his frame like Leon Edwards the size difference between lightweight and WW isn't as big as the gap between welterweight and middleweight, for example, even though they're both 15 pound jumps. I mean, yeah, it can make a big difference, but Eric Koch had 1.5 years to pack on lean body mass which is plenty of time for a professional athlete, you really don't need to add that much size if the cut down to 155 is killing you to be good to go at 170, and it's not like he was fighting Usman or Covington here.
I also really don't think Stewart is a UFC caliber fighter, he's got a lot of heart and can punch but I think a lot of these former military guys and vets (who I respect the hell out of, for what it's worth) get shots in the UFC because of their life story and the potential PR bump for the UFC when in reality their skills alone aren't enough to get them there. I also think that being a vet will affect the market, because it will result in more public money coming in on them and the oddsmakers will probably adjust the lines accordingly. Anyways, coming into this fight I thought that at best Stewart was a semi-talented guy who is very tough but also kind of raw from a skill set standpoint and definitely not anything special from an athleticism standpoint.
Contrast that with Koch who is a very experienced UFC fighter, training at a great camp in Team Roofus, and who suffered a tough loss in his last fight 1.5 years ago in which he fought very well against a very underrated and tough guy in Bobby Green, and I really liked the matchup for Koch and was very surprised when he opened as an underdog, I think it's very important to be well rounded in the UFC, one dimensional guys just don't do well unless they're really exceptional at that one thing, and Koch was a much more well rounded fighter than Stewart IMO.
Not trying to rub anything in your face here, just sharing my thinking on this one since I like reading your posts and think you post good stuff, even if I don't always agree with you on everything. Also, Stewart definitely had his chances, the fight was actually a little closer than I thought it was going to be and he clipped Koch very cleanly at the start of the second round and could've gotten a lucky KO, but I think overall the odds were definitely in Koch's favor on this one.
Last edited by Malachii; 07-30-2019 at 04:21 AM.