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06-02-2019 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Pulaski
who cashed their 16-1 ruiz ticket?




oh yeah, some one made some bread via btc, big time.

that's a beautiful chess move in the game of life.

nicely thrown fight, go and watch AJ vs Wladimir Klitschko to see how good he actually really is.

no bets here but yet again boxing stinking out the place every which way is possible.

Huge boxing fan... in the past...

Leave boxing and focus on MMA, the smell is a lot better.
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06-02-2019 , 06:41 PM
Lots of fights are blacked out on ESPN Fight Pass since the deal with ESPN+, which is fricking stupid. Is there a way to watch these blacked out fights on ESPN+?
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06-02-2019 , 08:37 PM
You are saying fights are blacked out on UFC Fight Pass? Which fights are you trying to watch? In regards to the last event, the prelims were on ESPN2 while the main card was on ESPN+.
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06-02-2019 , 08:45 PM
I've been trying to watch Jimmie Rivera vs Aljimain Sterling but haven't been having any luck. It's not on MMA-Core either.
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06-02-2019 , 11:38 PM
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I've been trying to watch Jimmie Rivera vs Aljimain Sterling but haven't been having any luck. It's not on MMA-Core either.
It's in 3 parts on MMA-Core. I found it by doing a google video search.

As for ESPN+, it definitely has its share of issues. It appears most of the content that originally aired on ESPN/ESPN2 can not be found on ESPN+. Strangely enough, the main event of Ngannou vs Velasquez aired on ESPN yet is available on ESPN+ (just the prelims are missing from that event).

I still have access to the event via YouTube TV which saves DVR recordings for months. I know a lot of services only save DVR recordings for 30 days though. Ideally ESPN+ would publish tv broadcasted events after 30 days which I believe is what WWE Network does with episodes of Raw and Smackdown.
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06-03-2019 , 10:39 AM
Took two early bets for this Weekends card.

£50 on Jimmie Rivera at 4.0

Yan is good but these odds seem way out of line.

£200 on Wineland at 1.83

His opponent Popov has a good record but he has been beating cans. Guys with 4-5 records a few fights ago he beat a dude making his debut. Wineland might getting to the end of his career but his striking still looks pretty sharp and he has been fighting decent competition for the last 10 years.
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06-03-2019 , 01:19 PM
This Tony Ferguson line is looking good.
Could keep on drifting with the momentum Cerrone has behind him.

Does seem insane that he is 1.75 across a few books.
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06-03-2019 , 02:02 PM
id bet the house on tony if i could. theres so MUCH VALUE here. ill still bet what i can reasonably.... dude hasnt lost since 2012 (only loss was decision to michael johnson). hasnt been finished since 2009.

14-1 ufc record. lul. his last 5 fights are ALL top 10 elites at lightweight and he crushed them all. 4 finished, 1 judges.

it needs to be khabib time after this win against cerrone. he deserves it more than any other fighter by far.


Like how does cerrone win here? pressure? unlikely hes a slow starter and you cant give tony that chance. tony has an insane chin, he does get hit but GL finishing him. his sub offense/defence is nuts, almost no chance cerrone takes it to the ground. he would have to somehow outwork/outstrike the output of tony. lol.
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06-03-2019 , 03:46 PM
I feel like Cerrona has to finish Ferguson to win.
Tony's pressure is insane, whilst Cerrone is technically better but when you have a guy that is on you consistently in front of you pressuring at every moment your technique is going to suffer.

I probably won't make a huge bet due to Ferguson's mental health issues. But I think its solid value and Ferguson is most likely sub 1.5 odds IMO.
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06-03-2019 , 04:09 PM
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It's in 3 parts on MMA-Core. I found it by doing a google video search.

As for ESPN+, it definitely has its share of issues. It appears most of the content that originally aired on ESPN/ESPN2 can not be found on ESPN+. Strangely enough, the main event of Ngannou vs Velasquez aired on ESPN yet is available on ESPN+ (just the prelims are missing from that event).

I still have access to the event via YouTube TV which saves DVR recordings for months. I know a lot of services only save DVR recordings for 30 days though. Ideally ESPN+ would publish tv broadcasted events after 30 days which I believe is what WWE Network does with episodes of Raw and Smackdown.
Thanks for this, the Aljamain Sterling Jimmy Rivera link was originally broken on MMA-Core but I guess they must have fixed it because I was able to watch it.

I agree that there is a lot of value on Ferguson. An overlooked fact of this fight is that Cowboy Cerrone just fought on May 4th and is fighting again just over a month later. He is 36 years old.

These two situations aren't exactly analogous because Cerrone won and Bisping lost, but I am reminded of Bisping fighting Kelvin Gastelum very shortly after his loss to GSP. I thought he was coming back too soon (and also thought Gastelum was a terrible matchup for him) and had a big bet on Gastelum, who went out and KO'd Bisping in the first round.

Either way, there is likely to be some residual damage that Cerrone is dealing with, and Tony Ferguson is the last guy in the world you would want to fight at less than 100%, he's just a monster.

I hope that Tony Ferguson vs Justin Gaethje is next as a title eliminator assuming Ferguson gets past Cerrone, that would be a fight for the f*cking ages as they're probably the toughest two guys in all of MMA.
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06-03-2019 , 04:13 PM
And I don't think that Ferguson's mental health issues are going to matter at all, I'm not even remotely concerned about that. He's always been a crazy weirdo.
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06-03-2019 , 04:23 PM
And also, since I've already bet the most that I'm comfortable betting on this, I'll just put this out there even though this fight is a long ways off: I think that there is great value in Jan Blachowicz vs Luke Rockhold. Rockhold has always been overrated, he's a so/so striker with poor striking defense but has an exceptional top game on the ground. In his last 3 fights he's been KO'd twice and was getting lit up by David Branch before taking him down and pounding him out. He's also arrogant, which is not a good quality to have in a fighter. It's also not clear to me how well his frame is going to translate to 205, he's a very lean guy and moving up in weight by 20 pounds is a big question mark.

Unless he's made significant striking improvements under Henry Hooft, I think he's going to be at a significant striking disadvantage to Blachowicz, who is very smart and has an exceptional jab, and I don't think he's going to be able to take Blachowicz down to use his number 1 asset, which is his crushing top game. Blachowicz is smart, tough, and generally underrated. I like him a lot as an underdog in this fight.
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06-03-2019 , 07:33 PM
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And also, since I've already bet the most that I'm comfortable betting on this, I'll just put this out there even though this fight is a long ways off: I think that there is great value in Jan Blachowicz vs Luke Rockhold.
yeah but also every middleweight who has moved up has dominated so...

anthony ****ing smith just retired gus.
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06-03-2019 , 11:33 PM
Ferguson price is too good now someone must have loaded 100k on Cerrone to move the line that far but unless he's badly injured surely Ferguson is value. The last fight i thought was this far off and against steam was max v Ortega though and he won. I guess I liked Santos but the steam against him this weekend scared me off. Suppose I'll wait for the move against to stop and then load Cerrone. I'm considering cejudo as a dog too despite the size disadvantage I make that fight a flip so +110 is tempting.
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06-04-2019 , 01:08 AM
I think the value is in Cerrone over Tony. Tony gets dropped in almost every fight and Cerrone has the striking/footwork to give him some serious issues. Of course Tony is a monster and can easily beat Cerrone as well. I think this is a pick’em so I threw $500 on Donald as a decent dog.
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06-04-2019 , 02:47 AM
I'm in the "Luke Rockhold is overrated" camp but he is a big dude and I don't think he'll have a problem transitioning to LHW at all. I expect Luke to be exposed at some point, but he generally always loses by KO so there are far better candidates to expose him at LHW than Jan who is a decision machine.
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06-04-2019 , 05:26 AM
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yeah but also every middleweight who has moved up has dominated so...

anthony ****ing smith just retired gus.
Yes, because if we can find two recent examples of middleweights having success moving up to LHW, it logically follows that any middleweight will experience success if they move up to LHW, lol.

Sorry if I'm being a bit snitty, but that's not a very logically sound argument. But hey, I don't bat 1.000 and I could very well be wrong on Luke Rockhold, I think he's generally overrated but who knows if I'm right and since his primary flaw is his striking defense, who knows how much of that Henry Hooft has been able to iron out. I think it's a pretty good spot, but we'll see.

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06-05-2019 , 05:19 AM
Has Tony got a leg injury or did it heal properly?
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06-05-2019 , 02:26 PM
im not seeing anything, i still think tony should still roll cerrone.
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06-05-2019 , 08:47 PM
Tony has been having psychotic, paranoid skitzophrenic episodes as recent as 4 months ago. Including:

-Grabbing his son, hopping a fence, and running away after having a psychotic episode in the house where his wife and mother we're trying to stop him from seeing his son after he was exhibiting irrational behavior.

-Threatening his wife, violently, claiming that she is a witch and their son was Jesus Christ reincarnated.

-In a paranoid panic he rushed his wife and kid into a car and drove 111 miles away from their home because he feared that a lunar eclipse would flood California. On the way home he agreed to see psychiatric help, but did not until after the next two incidents.

-Destroyed a refrigerator and ceiling fan in his home after fearing that they were bugged with surveillance devices.

-Multiple calls to police to his home by his wife, fearing that he was going to harm her and her son.

And that's just the stuff on top of my head, there's more that I read in an article from doing a quick Google search.

You absolutely should not be betting Tony this weekend, and the UFC should not be letting him fight this soon. He needs serious long term help. I would fade this fight completely.
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06-05-2019 , 10:54 PM
thats probably just a friday night for tony.

hes always been super weird i cant imagine it being much more than that.

i watched a 6 min ufc post workout media scrum with tony that came out a few hours ago. he seems super dialed in and focused.

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06-06-2019 , 03:30 AM
Tony definitely seems ready to go. If his training had been cut significantly that would be a big concern but that doesn't seem to be the case. I also seriously doubt this is the first time he's had major "family drama." It's probably been going on for years.

If Cowboy wins I think it will be because Cowboy is a hell of a fighter that is clicking on all cylinders right now (barring a win due to injury). I think people still aren't giving Cowboy enough credit. This is going to be a very tough fight for Tony. I still have Tony winning..not sure how someone couldn't considering Tony has won 11 fights in a row. It's going to be a war though and the fact that it's only 3 rounds has to be a positive for Cowboy.
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06-06-2019 , 05:50 AM
Does seem pretty crazy that Ferguson is fighting so soon after his "mental issues" but the he has always been pretty strange.

I have flipped back on forth on whether to bet him or not. In the end I am pretty happy with the value spots I currently have.

Wineland at 1.83
Chookagian at 2.1
Hill at 2.8
Jimmie Rivera at 4.0

The odds have steamed in on all of these so looking good at the moment. Stuck up £20 on Eye to win at 13.00 even though Shevchenko will most likely wreck her 90% of the time. Eye's a decent athlete and her wrestling game isn't terrible so I think at those odds there is probably some value when you also add in freak injuries/KO/Ref error.
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06-06-2019 , 09:32 AM
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Tony has been having psychotic, paranoid skitzophrenic episodes as recent as 4 months ago. Including:

-Grabbing his son, hopping a fence, and running away after having a psychotic episode in the house where his wife and mother we're trying to stop him from seeing his son after he was exhibiting irrational behavior.

-Threatening his wife, violently, claiming that she is a witch and their son was Jesus Christ reincarnated.

-In a paranoid panic he rushed his wife and kid into a car and drove 111 miles away from their home because he feared that a lunar eclipse would flood California. On the way home he agreed to see psychiatric help, but did not until after the next two incidents.

-Destroyed a refrigerator and ceiling fan in his home after fearing that they were bugged with surveillance devices.

-Multiple calls to police to his home by his wife, fearing that he was going to harm her and her son.

And that's just the stuff on top of my head, there's more that I read in an article from doing a quick Google search.

You absolutely should not be betting Tony this weekend, and the UFC should not be letting him fight this soon. He needs serious long term help. I would fade this fight completely.
Ahh, that's ****ed up, hope he can overcome his disease, mental illness is no joke.

Some of the greatest talents are crazy as **** though, still think will ices Cerrone!
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06-06-2019 , 10:45 AM
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Ahh, that's ****ed up, hope he can overcome his disease, mental illness is no joke.



Some of the greatest talents are crazy as **** though, still think will ices Cerrone!
I hope Tony wins just for the sake of his mental health. Fighters take losses really tough and it doesn't seem like he's in the proper state of mind to add a loss onto the things he's trying to overcome.

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