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Old 04-14-2019, 01:25 AM   #48401
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Wow thought max would get the last 3 but poirier didn't gas and is just better than I thought. Maxs power not enough at 155 vs bigger guys. Great night if fights small loss for me with a win a loss and a void
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Old 04-14-2019, 01:28 AM   #48402
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Max must of got hurt as he clearly didn't have enough stamina, he was slowing down himself too in the later rounds. I really thought he would be poring it on in R4/5 but he didn't do it as he usual does imo.
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Old 04-14-2019, 01:28 AM   #48403
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max should stay at 145 imo he surely can still make the weight. he can stay dominant there for sure
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Old 04-14-2019, 02:48 PM   #48404
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wow osp looked like dog****, huh? when he got to mount im like here we go. max loss hurt as well, decent loss for me yesterday.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:45 AM   #48405
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Holloway is a good fighter at lightweight. He just learned the hard way that the division is stacked with fighters that are just as good as him or possibly better. Featherweight is super soft in comparison. Jose Aldo and Frankie Edgar are all time greats and future hall of famers but to be the #1 and #3 contenders in 2019 speaks to the softness of that division. Jose Aldo was the best in the world 5 years ago and Frankie was best in the world (at lightweight) 8 years ago. This game is ever evolving and it's highly unlikely either of these dudes would sniff the top 5 in a division as strong as the LW division today.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:54 AM   #48406
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Khalil Roundtree is looking like one scary dude now. I'm very happy to see him finally take his game to the next level. It sucks that it had to be against Anders but if there's a dude that should probably go back to the minor leagues it's Anders. He's just so one dimensional and while he can (generally) be competitive in the UFC he's been taking some beatings. He'd be far better off facing easier opponents for a while as he continues to work to round out his game.
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Old 04-15-2019, 01:03 AM   #48407
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I thought Poirier won the first round 10-8. He hurt Max multiple times that round. Didn't like the way Poirier fought the 5th round. Wished he had gone after it more but I think he was tired and knew he was ahead on the scorecards. I was thinking it might be ruled a 47-47 draw (what happens then?) but clearly I was way off because all the judges had it 49-46 Poirier.

BTW, Gastelum is such a beast. I wasn't surprised to see him mostly stand with Israel. I was surprised to see him have so much success though. Sucks that Gastelum is such a tweener. Doesn't seem fair. Would love to see him get to fight smaller guys at WW rather than these guys at MW that have so many physical advantages over him.
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Old 04-15-2019, 01:47 AM   #48408
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Khalil Roundtree is looking like one scary dude now. I'm very happy to see him finally take his game to the next level. It sucks that it had to be against Anders but if there's a dude that should probably go back to the minor leagues it's Anders. He's just so one dimensional and while he can (generally) be competitive in the UFC he's been taking some beatings. He'd be far better off facing easier opponents for a while as he continues to work to round out his game.
I don't often post my thoughts and reasoning pre-fight here, but switching from Anders to Rountree after the weigh-ins made my night. He looked amazing. Anders just isn't a LHW and Khalil has scary kicks in addition to good hands.
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:45 AM   #48409
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I agree he's not a LHW. Not sure what he's doing there or why he's bouncing between the two weight classes. It seems like he's just willing to fight whoever they put in front of him which sounds good in theory but is not so good now that he's lost 4 of his last 5 fights (albeit, I thought he won the Machida fight) and is on a 3 fight losing streak.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:09 AM   #48410
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Jack Hermansson is fighting Jacare less than a month after his last fight..crazy. I read he opened at -200. Is that right? Why should he be favored?
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:28 AM   #48411
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Jack Hermansson is fighting Jacare less than a month after his last fight..crazy. I read he opened at -200. Is that right? Why should he be favored?
not sure tbh, jacare is a beast!!
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:16 AM   #48412
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Jack Hermansson is fighting Jacare less than a month after his last fight..crazy. I read he opened at -200. Is that right? Why should he be favored?
Hermansson opened +130
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:34 PM   #48413
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To be fair thou.. it certainly is not accurate to say Holloway was outclassed and he is getting a reality check, the only reality check is the power discrepancy.

We have not been watching mma for five minutes in this thread, we have been watching holloway since his first fight with Poirier and his climb up.


What would happen if Poirier fought holloway at holloways weight?

What would happen if holloway had Poiriers power at weekends weight?


You have to remember this, Poirier has a huge arse back and landed clean and plenty of times but even still did not get him out of there, and from what i remember even with the huge power difference, Holloway certainly had his moments, Holloway was around 8 seconds away from finshing poirier at the end of one round by neck lock or what ever, Poirier was super lucky the clock was were it was at.


Its not right to call out Holloway as moved into a more stacked div and he is found to be less or lacking or what ever.

Holloway face was a blood bath and he slowed cause he got massively concussed was the reason he "slowed down" in the 4th.,. etc

Holloway is BETTER than Poirier its just power is/was the factor and even still he worked around that to some extent, and even was calling out for toe to toe in the dieing seconds of the fight for the bonus money.


Poirier has superb boxing and has fought how long and hard to get to where he is at, we have been watching him since he got tooled hard by conor.

this is like mr average bisping grinding at it so long even he climbed to the top... think about that, Bisping got so dialed in he reached no1 and did it legit, even thou it cant be, he did it.

Poirier has huge power over holloway, he was not "better".

good little guy vs a good bigger guy, and even then it was pretty dam close.

rogan said he heard Israel Adesanya say, that he is even better than his last fight vs Anderson (recent)

You can be **** at some thing but if you set aside a life times passion to it you can get red hot on it, then that's were the art and expression starts being able to be expressed.

Poirier is not better than Holloway.

Poirier was not dominate over Holloway or in some way in massive control over the fight.
If holloway had 3/4 the power of poirier it would have ended by KO.

Monday Morning Hangover: What’s next for Max Holloway after UFC 236 title loss?
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:58 PM   #48414
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Hermansson opened +130
I was just going by this site: https://www.oddsshark.com/ufc/odds
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:40 AM   #48415
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I think if Holloway had the same amount of fights as Poirier at 155, the outcome would of likely been in Holloway's favor, overall we can't argue that Poirier did very well vs him and it was a very close fight, I'm not so sure it would be that close if Holloway had a few fights at 155 as well.
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Old 04-16-2019, 06:39 AM   #48416
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Holloway clearly needs to add muscle mass to compete at 155 as his power doesn't translate and while he's never been a one shot guy his shots weren't really hurting Dustin even when they connected whereas at 145 he gets accumulation of damage TKOs when he keeps landing at will (Ortega, Aldox2, etc)

If he can keep making 145 makes sense to keep defending there as clearly no one has been able to match him there

I'm sure some of the 155ers who can make 145 are tempted to try to cut now though seeing what Poirier did with a size and power advantage - clearly to beat Max standing you need to have more power than him and good enough cardio/chin not to fade

If Max stays at 155 he needs to bulk up at least 5lbs of muscle and probably a full 10lbs to get his punching power up to par for 155, ensure he's strong enough to stuff takedowns still and make sure his cardio translates. I mean, i'm sure he's still top 5 at LW (I had it 48-47 Poirier but 49-46 isn't horrible or anything) but there's no reason to move up until he can't make 145 anymore given how much better he's looked at 145 when he isn't fighting bigger guys; he's huge for 145 but relatively small for 155 unless he bulks up, his frame is fine for it but he doesn't have enough muscle for 155 compared to the top guys and he'd need his cardio to translate if he adds bulk too.

I'm really hoping Whittaker vs Adesanya opens a pickem so I can get on Whittaker; if Kelvin can win two rounds against him standing, Rob can win three although if I was Rob's coach given how elite his defensive wrestling has become i'd be drilling single and double leg takedowns against the cage so that he has the option to take it to the mat to win close rounds or if he isn't winning the standup the way he expects to. I think Adesanya might be able to win the latter rounds if he can throw volume the way he did against Kelvin but I really think Whittaker will have the advantage for at least the first three rounds and wouldn't be shocked if he can finish him or win a 50-45 especially if he can work in some offensive wrestling. Adesanya did seem to have a decent guard, so if Whittaker's winning the standup no reason to take it there but he should make sure he has the option to take Adesanya down if he chooses to if the standup's going poorly for any reason or to steal rounds with 30 seconds left in close rounds etc

I think I make Whittaker a more than -150 but less than -200 fav vs Adesanya. Might actually go to the card if the timing works out if they do end up doing it in Australia, would be nice if they did a real PPV worthy card in this part of the world and Dana was apparently talking about a stadium, they could sell one out in Sydney or Melbourne easily (or Brisbane or Perth for that matter).

Even though they've been talking Sydney; Etihad/Marvel Stadium in Melbourne has a roof and is an amazing venue so that'd be my first choice and they sold it out for Rousey/Holm so this will sell out too
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:58 AM   #48417
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Jack Hermansson is fighting Jacare less than a month after his last fight..crazy. I read he opened at -200. Is that right? Why should he be favored?
His last fight was cake though. He subbed Branch in less than a minute. I do favour Herm heavily here. It is a 30 year old fighting a 39 year old. I am a huge Jacare fan but he is getting old. Jacare loses steam fast too in the fight. Jacare does his best work when he can just run over someone early but that won't be the case with Herm.
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:37 PM   #48418
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To be fair thou.. it certainly is not accurate to say Holloway was outclassed and he is getting a reality check, the only reality check is the power discrepancy.

We have not been watching mma for five minutes in this thread, we have been watching holloway since his first fight with Poirier and his climb up.


What would happen if Poirier fought holloway at holloways weight?

What would happen if holloway had Poiriers power at weekends weight?


You have to remember this, Poirier has a huge arse back and landed clean and plenty of times but even still did not get him out of there, and from what i remember even with the huge power difference, Holloway certainly had his moments, Holloway was around 8 seconds away from finshing poirier at the end of one round by neck lock or what ever, Poirier was super lucky the clock was were it was at.


Its not right to call out Holloway as moved into a more stacked div and he is found to be less or lacking or what ever.

Holloway face was a blood bath and he slowed cause he got massively concussed was the reason he "slowed down" in the 4th.,. etc

Holloway is BETTER than Poirier its just power is/was the factor and even still he worked around that to some extent, and even was calling out for toe to toe in the dieing seconds of the fight for the bonus money.


Poirier has superb boxing and has fought how long and hard to get to where he is at, we have been watching him since he got tooled hard by conor.

this is like mr average bisping grinding at it so long even he climbed to the top... think about that, Bisping got so dialed in he reached no1 and did it legit, even thou it cant be, he did it.

Poirier has huge power over holloway, he was not "better".

good little guy vs a good bigger guy, and even then it was pretty dam close.

rogan said he heard Israel Adesanya say, that he is even better than his last fight vs Anderson (recent)

You can be **** at some thing but if you set aside a life times passion to it you can get red hot on it, then that's were the art and expression starts being able to be expressed.

Poirier is not better than Holloway.
It sounds like you and Holloway both need a reality check. LoL @ Holloway after the fight saying he'll take any fight that gets him closer to the p4p title this year. Sorry Max, that ship has sailed. I understand why people are backing Max. We all desire to see greatness. Max is a very good featherweight champion in a very weak division and nothing more. At lightweight he is just "in the mix" alongside a lot of other very good fighters who are also in the prime of their careers.

The idea that Max could ever be the p4p best or the goat is just ludicrous to me. From a skills perspective, I don't even see how it's possible. The single most important discipline in MMA is wrestling and Max is not a great wrestler...period. Guys like GSP and Jon Jones dictate where the fight goes. Max can only do that to an extent. He can use takedown defense to keep the fight standing but he can't get it to the ground if he needs to.

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Sure, but he'll still just be in the mix at LW (not some world beater) and it's not like he'll ever be the biggest LW in the world. There will be a lot of guys that will be bigger, longer, and stronger than him regardless.


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His last fight was cake though. He subbed Branch in less than a minute. I do favour Herm heavily here. It is a 30 year old fighting a 39 year old. I am a huge Jacare fan but he is getting old. Jacare loses steam fast too in the fight. Jacare does his best work when he can just run over someone early but that won't be the case with Herm.
Sure, he can make the fast turnaround but still don't think we've seen enough from Hermannson to make him a favorite. We certainly can't count on him subbing Jacare.
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https://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UF...lectors-153089

Weird situation, non USADA/UFC affiliated party comes to Dan Ige's house and takes his blood at 6:30am

I'm not at all excited about this week's offering; Reem vs Oleinik I guess is somewhat interesting if Oleinik can manage an upset and continue his late career run but I don't think anyone seriously thinks either guy is going to hold the belt, Oleinik has too many athletic deficiencies and Reem's chin is still gone.

Sorta like Shamil as a dog but the price has already come in so much, maybe Jotko if his opponent is a can but I know nothing about his opponent and probvably won't watch tape in time. Sort of want to consider Reem dec at +780 but it's 5 rounds, so hard to see it.
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