Floyd the best

Asian tears happened...

Probably Floyd's best performance since Wrestlemania when he used brass knucks to KO the Big Show

guys, every fight in asia isn't fixed lol. i feel like caldwell just struggled with the ropes more than anything.

Lol humans are inherently selfish

Is this a troll?

How can you be a dedicated fighter and somehow train in a way that isnt selfish?

Ok, so what is your point?

Who said anything about training?

You clearly stated that he is a ****ty human being because he is selfish...

I guess all humans are ****ty humans then? Lol

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Idk how anyone can honestly defend Jon Jones character

Idk how anyone can honestly assess jon's character from a few media clips

How many legitimately good people do you know who have been involved in a hit and run while driving under the influence and didn't even check on the passenger from the other vehicle before fleeing the scene

So you came to the conclusion that he is a bad person from one situation?

You have never done anything bad before? Let alone after railing hundreds of lines?

lol Jon Jones is a scumbag get off his nuts

DC called him out and he started talking about slapping his wife's ass - just about the lowest thing you can do

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it ain't an eagle

he is a scumbag because he said he would slap DC's wife's ass?

that's the lowest thing you can do?

some of you guys have some ridiculous reasoning for your hate

acting like you have never said anything negative to anyone let alone someone who hates you

um yes? if you're literally the only one on this forum who doesn't think he's a scumbag it's probably not us buddy but if you decided this is a hill to die on, gl

At the center of Jones character are independence and courage. Anyone assessing character seriously instead of at some black-and-white shallow level starts there. There are are millions of do-gooder Fellowship of Christian Athletes types who are playing this surface game, who are in fact powerfully dependent and fearful. Not this man. He has the starting material of a hero. But he lies when he gets in trouble, so he's a scumbag. He has substance abuse issues, so he's a scumbag. This is a 2+2 level of handicapping him, as simplistic and mistaken as you can get, a kind of "don't bother me with derivatives, caluculus or deeper psychological truth" kind of assessment. It's a disgrace to understanding or appreciating human nature while acting as if one has it all figured out.

Cheating at MMA (assuming you believe he takes steroids) is even worse than cheating at something like poker because the goal is to seriously injure your opponent.

None of us here are perfect including me, but a decent chunk of us can honestly say we've never cheated in a serious competition where money is on the line (which it is in fighting as well as their health) and never done anything as bad as a hit and run while drink driving which could have easily killed someone through negligence and selfishness. Sure, he's not the worst person in the world, I mean there are guys like War Machine out there and yeah, he's a worse person than Jon Jones - but i'm not cheering for guys like that either - i'll always want the wife beating scumbag types to get knocked out too.

But there's nothing wrong with cheering against the success of someone who has shown he has poor morals at best and also is probably a cheat (steroids, i'm gonna leave out his possibly deliberate eye pokes). Some of my favourite fighters popped for roids (Anderson, Bonnar, probably a few others I can't think of offhand) and they're no longer among my favourite fighters.

By all means people are entitled to cheer for whoever they want that's how being a fan of any sport works - but most of us are not going to cheer for Jon Jones despite his undeniable talent because he's a scumbag.

Just on the courage note of course Jones and anyone else who climbs into the octagon has courage and bravery - but it's not very courageous to take performance enhancing drugs to give you an edge over your opponent. To use another poker analogy, if you're a great poker player and pleasant to sit with at the table if you're marking cards to cheat you're still a scumbag and people should probably not be cheering for you to win.

You never did it because the situation has never been put in front of you. It's very easy to say you wouldn't do X when X has never been an option for you.

It's very easy to say you wouldn't take steroids to win a world title when you never had the talent to even compete at a local event.

well said

a lot of lvl 1 players in this thread

I can understand why some scumbags might not understand this but many people are taught to be selfless and not to cheat at a very young age and actually carry those values with them throughout their lives.

It's not just 1 situation, we have pointed out several situations, some worse than others. What bothers me is you think it's ok, or something? Talk about being logical.

I understand people do wrong things in life, I understand that people deserve 2nd chances too, but lets not get things twisted here. He's been caught roiding, and likely has fought several times juiced to the gills. That initself is not a 1 time thing.

He hit and run on a person, again, you talk about character, well what does that say about his character, exactly? Sure he's on drugs etc, so he's clearly not thinking straight, but still. He's thinking clear enough to drive a car, and thinking clear enough to drive off too.

What else??

Even though he has done wrong things, does that make him a scumbag? Yes, just like everybody else that does wrong things! Even if they better their lives, they were still scumbags for doing wrong! Can they become non-scumbags, sure but that takes time and you need to rectify your business!

Has Jones done that? What does it say about his character??

What if nobody taught him those things then? Is everything fine then?

Also it's impossible to be selfless. Every action you take in life is a selfish one.

So you named three things now. Is that all? What about the other 31 years of his life?