To be fair, my issue is probably more with the scoring system itself. If the guy on bottom is doing more damage and or threatening submissions constantly I think he should be winning in that position

If I could judge the fight as a whole, I'd say make it a draw. I wish WB would go out there and put it on the line more, instead of fighting scared all the time.

https://twitter.com/mikefridley/stat...31831237955584

Mark Collett ~ 48-47 Till

R1, R3 - Thompson
R2, R4, R5 - Till

Andy Roberts ~ 49-46 Till

R1 - Thompson
R2, R3, R4, R5 - Till

Paul Sutherland ~ 49-46 Till

R3 - Thompson
R1, R2, R4, R5 - Till

49-46 inexcusable.

Thought it was a draw or split decision. and given location, in favor of till. judges ruining sport with this 49-46 crap.

Till should have taken more advantage of the situation once wb was down, gone around the back for a neck choke or some thing, it must be a lot more difficult to do it in the cage first person than it does looking in from the outside.

Till is really good, once he is cooking no one can fc with him, he knows all the ranges and his twitch muscle reflect to pull out of danger is very fast.

The fight I saw, till did not dominate over WB, but he certainly increased his game over wb to the point of knocking wb down in the last round, and if the fight had of progressed further very few here would have put money on WB to beat till past the 5th. think about that.

close fight but till was the winner,
high level fight, impressive to hang in there with wb like that.

one of the rounds (r2, r3?) wb looked stunned, his father even said, "whats wrong"? what was wrong is that he was a future world champion ever so slightly better than him, and he knew it.

I'm not so sure Till wins a fight to the finish, WB picked it up after getting knocked down and won the rest of the round from there

Yes, Till is more likely to land the single big shot to end it but if it was a no time limit fight to the finish, Till collapses from exhaustion or accumulation of damage first most of the time

Would love to have seen another 5 rounds, we didn't get to find out who the better fighter was either way definitively.

Till looked a weight class bigger, after missing weight they really should force him up to 185 or at least force him to make 170 three times in a row with no 1 pound allowance to get a title shot, he's missed weight badly twice at 170 and is probably the second biggest guy to ever fight at 170 after Rumble

Whittaker would **** Till up badly, so would Romero imo. I don't think he gets by Woodley either tbh, Woodley can basically do what WB did and hang back to counter but use takedowns to steal rounds or land GnP when the opportunity is there and while he wouldn't land the volume of counters that WB did, he has much harder hands

Till could definitely win a similar decision against Woodley if he can keep it standing, but i'm not sure he beats Woodley or Usman. He'd have a good shot against RDA on size alone and Covington would obv depend whether he could get takedowns or not.

Till is definitely better than I gave him credit for, but i'm not sure he wins that decision in the US or on neutral ground like Canada more than half the time. He definitely won round 5, and you can make a case for rounds 2, 3 and 4 but i'm not sure he won any of 2-3-4 for sure. Wonderboy clearly won 1, I had him winning 2 in a close but clear fashion and same for 3, then 4 depends if you give weight to the last 10 seconds of the round or score the round as a whole, you can make a case either way. 5 he wins it on the knockdown obviously but even then it was a competitive round.

Two 49-46s are pretty bad though, imagine if WB had knocked Till down like that in r5 instead and Till still got a split decision (which is what would have happened if the knockdown in r5 was reversed). I could have lived with and disagreed slightly with 48-47, but 49-46 is just bad.

I think they score overall damage before counting number of strikes, so it's not like boxing. After strikes they go with octogan control and Till clearly did more damage and pressed the action.

Media scorecards

Sean Ross Sapp
Fightful.com 48-47 Till
Jed Meshew
MMAFighting.com 48-47 Till
Chris Nelson
Sherdog.com 48-49 Thompson
Phil Murphy
ESPN 47-48 Thompson
José Youngs
FanSided.com 47-48 Thompson
Dominik Durniat
Polsat Sport 47-48 Thompson
Alexander K. Lee
MMAFighting.com 47-48 Thompson
Matthew Wells
FanSided.com 47-48 Thompson
MMAJunkie.com 47-48 Thompson
MMAMania.com 47-48 Thompson
Brian Knapp
Sherdog.com 47-48 Thompson
Drake Riggs
BJPenn.com 47-48 Thompson
Dayne Fox
BloodyElbow.com 47-48 Thompson
Tristen Critchfield
Sherdog.com 47-49 Thompson
Steve Duncan
mma.uno 46-49 Thompson
MMABrasil.com.br 46-49 Thompson
Rob Tatum
CombatPress.com 46-49 Thompson
Nathan McCarter
BleacherReport.com 46-49 Thompson
Chris Connor
The Fight City 46-49 Thompson
Tim Burke
BloodyElbow.com 46-49 Thompson
Nick Baldwin
BloodyElbow.com 46-49 Thompson
Ryan Frederick
WrestlingObserver.com 46-49 Thompson
Kendrick Johnson
The Ring 46-49 Thompson
SevereMMA.com 46-49 Thompson

Fan poll by round from MMAdecisions (will be interesting to see where this ends up after a few days)

ROUND 1
10-9 Thompson 87.6%
10-9 Till 6.5%
10-10 Draw 5.5%
ROUND 2
10-9 Thompson 61.2%
10-9 Till 34.3%
10-10 Draw 4.5%
ROUND 3
10-9 Thompson 84.1%
10-9 Till 13.4%
10-10 Draw 2.5%
ROUND 4
10-9 Thompson 69.7%
10-9 Till 23.4%
10-10 Draw 7.0%
ROUND 5
10-9 Till 94.0%
10-9 Thompson 2.5%
10-8 Till 2.5%

Interestingly enough my card was 1-2-3 for WB and 4-5 Till in real time; majority had r1-4 all as WB rounds, and had rounds 2 and 4 as the main points of contention with 2 clear WB rounds and 1 clear Till round.

In round 5 Till clearly did more damage in the other rounds I think WB landed the cleaner shots, just neither guy really got hurt from any of the clean shots in 1-4. Till did have more aggression, but not really octagon control outside of brief moments of backing Wonderboy into the fence, and is it really control if you don't touch the guy and he's just backed up? A lot of what WB did was more circling than outright retreating. At the end of the day it comes down to what judges were looking for but with two 49-46s it was 'send the crowd home happy if it's close' and I doubt there was more to it than that in their thought process.

You can make a case for Till winning the fight as a whole due to the knockdown but that's not how fights are scored, you need him to win rounds 2-4-5 to get to 48 unless you think he won 1 or 3 (I thought 3 was close in real time but the vast majority seem to disagree, I also thought 2 was a close but clear WB round though and that was the 2nd most favourable Till round according to the crowdsourced scoring)

I could see how someone could score round 1 a 10-10 maybe, but scoring it for Till like one judge did is just inexcusable.

At the end of the day Wonderboy didn't let his hands go until after he got dropped in r5, but he was also fighting a much bigger powerful guy who didn't even attempt to make weight. It's a shame to see Wonderboy's title aspirations end like this, I guess he could win 3 and if Woodley loses the belt get another shot but he's getting up there in age and this fight probably cements his 'boring' status even though I enjoy watching his style.

Seems like Till winning by decision was the most unlikely outcome of this fight.

I don't think it was a bad decision. Till controlled the octagon through aggression and landed the more impressive shots. Of course, I'm probably biased since I had money on Till but I didn't think it was an unfair decision.

Also, it's important to remember that judges are human beings and are going to be influenced by the crowd when one guy is a huge crowd favorite. Darren Till came out like a ****ing rock star and had the whole stadium cheering. It is impossible for that to not have an impact, even if it is subconscious.

I think it was the wrong decision, but not an atrocious 1. All of us that bet WB going in knew that this was a strong possibility so don't think we can complain about it. It was factored into the line.

ref those media scores,

Did any one see it a 46 - 49 fight either way, till over wb, or wb over till.

Well that goes to show how much those media scores are worth, those guys are meant to know what they are doing.

It was a close chess match fight but till was the dominate fighter and towards the end was getting bigger and stronger and had wb down, he also smashed up his right leg enough to show terrible bruising.


If I close my eyes and think through the fight I dont remember any highpoints in the event for wb, I can see wb trying to land some thing and till barking back a NOoooo and shaking his head.

Till clealy won the fight, not by much as it was that kind of high level fight that both were trying to out fox each other for a lot of it, all of it lol, it was a super dangerous fight for both fighters to the point that till didn't even throw the left with out wb being on the back foot. that wasnt in wb game plain.

media scores are off, so are any scores which show till up the same large amount over wb.

Way too few 10-10 rounds scored.

Till shaking his head no does not negate WB's shots.

and about WB's high points, if you score the fight as a 25 minute single round then I would give it to Till. But if we are scoring by rounds then WB landing more in single rounds means he won them.

If you are going to be a counter-puncher you had better do more damage if it goes to decision. It is not a style that lends itself to judging and it is not a secret at this point. When one guy is moving forward and the other is not, that does not necessarily equate to octagon control, but it gets judged that way enough that it's like--hey WB---look more agro, finish the fight, or be sure that the round is not even close. Nobody is going walk into him ever again, he needs to adjust his style to account for that.

lol

you really can't help yourself

Balla called it right when the fight was announced, never pick against the oracle

Pretty gross decision .... when i heard 2x 49-46 ...i tought to myself yaa... WB 1-2-3-4 et Till 5th .... ohh well #ripdollars

UFC should put on the same card

Till vs Husman
WB vs Lawler

And unnoficially as a 5th wheel Neil Magny if any of those guys got injured or wtv.

Other ww fight could be

Condit vs Saffiedine
Maia vs loser of cerrone / edwars ( or cerrone no matter what )

-jpp

Meh. How can you complain about this decision? WB has nobody but himself to blame.

You're right I can't and i'll fade Till if he gets Usman or Woodley although I may not if the Covington/RDA winner has the belt, depending how impressive they are between now and then. I can't imagine Till making 170 without losing some size though he could easily end up at 185 if he isn't willing to cut muscle mass, missing by 3.5 and 5 pounds in 2 of the last 4 fights isn't a good look and as much as the UFC wants an English champ now that Bisping's retired they can't give him a title shot until he's made weight a couple times in a row.

Also still going all-in against Brian Ortega until he loses, because I can't help myself but also pretty sure Max is about 75% to win the fight. Will be my biggest bet in a while. 5 rounds is better than 3 for Ortega since he has a better chance to get a puncher's chance KO/catch a sub, but I don't see him beating Holloway at all.

Willing to take Ortega loses a minimum of 2 of his next 4 fights at evens if anyone wants to bet on him at evens.

At the end of the day the potential for a robbery was priced into the line for the WB/Till fight, so I can't really complain that it happened, I got an either way decision not that long ago in my favour when Machida fought Anders due to homecrowd judging so meh. Just sucks when you specifically have the decision prop and had the guy winning narrowly on your own scorecard.

At the next card i think I like Jimmie Rivera against Moraes and Sijara Eubanks around the -150 mark against Lauren Murphy at a brief glance, will look into it more closer to the card but I can't see myself not betting Eubanks and Rivera. Eubanks was supposed to win the TUF season she was on and Murphy did not look great on it.

To all the bettors..

Get on Sijara Eubanks NOW.

I'm telling you... this line is going to get to -220+

Yep I should have got on yesterday going to get on today. I agree she closes -200, she's a relative unknown to anyone that didn't watch her TUF season but she looked like a killer on it and Murphy's starting to look a bit past her prime.

Got on for a bit at -167, that'll have to do. Should have got the -15x yesterday.

any particular reason johnny eduardo is such a big dog vs the cage warriors bantamweight champ? age primarily?

Taken Eubanks at 1.63.
Quite like Villante at 2.25 against Alvey.
Think they are pretty similar in terms of skill with Villante being the naturally bigger guy.

Have this as a 50-50 fight myself.