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01-13-2018 , 09:07 PM
Apparently Hall had a seizure on the way to weighing in. That is really scary. Hopefully he's OK.
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01-14-2018 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
Surely some value on Meek at around +400-550?
I'm not sure there is unless his TDD is way better than I remember. Usman has a good fight IQ and is possibly the best wrestler in the division. Can Meek stuff him 100%? If so it's value if not he spends the rest of that round on his back. That said in MMA any +400 or bigger dog with a gameplan to win (in this case punchers chance) has to be not terrible. I don't know enough about Meek's TDD but I expect Usman to plant him on his back and either win a lopsided 30-27 or get the finish

Weight cutting needs to end, just move every division up 10 lbs (15 lbs for MW+ and make the HW limit 300) and do one hour before the fight weigh ins. Someone's going to die eventually and it will lead to a huge PR disaster and possible legal issues for the sport if they don't fix it. Besides that looks better for casual fans because they're 'bigger guys' if LW is 165 not 155 and LHW is 220 not 205 etc. will also mean better cardio for fighters so higher quality fights, plus lengthen careers due to less punishing weight cuts.

PVZ looked slightly smaller than Clark but not tiny or anything, size difference was about what I expected

Last edited by SwoopAE; 01-14-2018 at 12:25 AM.
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01-14-2018 , 12:21 AM
^^the extra brain damage caused by being concussed while dehydrated and with less fluid in the skull has long lasting repercussion also. It's the worst aspect of the sport imo.
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01-14-2018 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
I'm not sure there is unless his TDD is way better than I remember. Usman has a good fight IQ and is possibly the best wrestler in the division. Can Meek stuff him 100%? If so it's value if not he spends the rest of that round on his back. That said in MMA any +400 or bigger dog with a gameplan to win (in this case punchers chance) has to be not terrible. I don't know enough about Meek's TDD but I expect Usman to plant him on his back and either win a lopsided 30-27 or get the finish

Weight cutting needs to end, just move every division up 10 lbs (15 lbs for MW+ and make the HW limit 300) and do one hour before the fight weigh ins. Someone's going to die eventually and it will lead to a huge PR disaster and possible legal issues for the sport if they don't fix it. Besides that looks better for casual fans because they're 'bigger guys' if LW is 165 not 155 and LHW is 220 not 205 etc. will also mean better cardio for fighters so higher quality fights, plus lengthen careers due to less punishing weight cuts.

PVZ looked slightly smaller than Clark but not tiny or anything, size difference was about what I expected
What u say times 1000x from a long time fight fan who genuinely cares about the fighters. Just imagine Uriah Hall didn't have a seizure... but was 1% away from having one... basically he looks fine and dandy and the next second he looks likes he's going to die... is that someone who really should be taking serious body damage 24 hours later?

As you said there is no reason from a performance standpoint why it isn't same day weigh in... all fighters cut weight so if that's removed all fighters would be on an equal playing field and their health and performance would improve... so what's the hold up?

Ahh but the UFC wants their competitors to look superhuman. So my wife can complain and say but you're 5'9 and weigh 170 but he's 6'2 and looks way thicker to you to boot. Ahh he must be something special as if the reality isn't that he's 195 when he's in the ring which may escape the casual viewer. (like my wife doh)
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01-14-2018 , 11:21 AM
Don't recall Hall having trouble making weight earlier? He's also not overly too big for his weightclass imo. But yes, everything swoop said.
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01-14-2018 , 04:40 PM
should be 155/165/175/185/195/205/225+

165 and 195 are new classes and welterweight moves up a mere 5 lb to 175.
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01-14-2018 , 04:45 PM
Just on Van Zant +102.5 so far for a max bet

Kind of wish i'd taken Choi at -152, still deciding whether I want to go big or small there. I really believe in Choi's striking against Stephens and in 5 rounds it's tough to see Stephens using a wrestle-heavy gameplan but he could, so i'm reluctant to go too big.
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01-14-2018 , 06:20 PM
Decided to fire a medium size bet on Choi at -161. About half the size of my PVZ bet. He's in to -177 now on Pinnacle and i'm trusting the steam since i've really wanted to bet on Choi all along and I think he matches up well with Stephens. Choi needs to fix his wrestling if he's going to ever fight for the belt, but Stephens isn't as technical as Choi is and as Swanson was to beat him and I think Choi frustrates him into a stand up brawl which Choi wins through better technique and having a good enough chin to take a shot if Stephens lands.

PVZ +102.5
Choi -161

Does anyone have a favourite spot of the card on prelims? Could use a couple more small sweats I think i'm pretty happy with those two spots as my main two bets
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01-14-2018 , 06:56 PM
UFN 124 Risk $3239.00

Jeremy Stephens (+150) vs Doo Ho Choi $200.00 for $300.00
Jeremy Stephens scorecards = no action (+170) $200.00 for $340.00
Jeremy Stephens wins by TKO/KO (+350) $35.00 for $122.50
Doo Ho Choi wins in round 1 (+500) $40.00 for $200.00
Jeremy Stephens wins in round 4 (+1850) $10.00 for $185.00
Jeremy Stephens wins in round 5 (+2350) $10.00 for $235.00
Not Doo Ho Choi inside distance (-138) $138.00 for $100.00

Jessica-Rose Clark (+100) vs Paige VanZant $100.00 for $100.00
Jessica-Rose Clark (-110) vs Paige VanZant $110.00 for $100.00
Jessica-Rose Clark (-115) vs Paige VanZant $115.00 for $100.00
Jessica-Rose Clark +3½ points (-225) $337.50 for $150.00
Jessica-Rose Clark wins by 3 round decision (+135) $75.00 for $101.25

Kamaru Usman/Emil Weber Meek Under 2½ (+115) $100.00 for $115.00
Kamaru Usman/Emil Weber Meek fight ends in KO/TKO/DQ (+215) $50.00 for $107.50
Emil Weber Meek wins by KO/TKO/DQ (+1858) $10.00 for $185.80

Michael Johnson (-190) vs Darren Elkins $190.00 for $100.00
Michael Johnson wins by TKO/KO (+244) $40.00 for $97.60
Michael Johnson wins in round 1 (+475) $25.00 for $118.75
Darren Elkins wins in round 3 (+1825) $10.00 for $182.50

James Krause (-160) vs Alex White $160.00 for $100.00
James Krause (-161) vs Alex White $161.00 for $100.00
James Krause wins by submission (+450) $25.00 for $112.50

Matt Frevola wins by submission (+650) vs Marco Polo Reyes $25.00 for $162.50

Irene Aldana/Talita Bernardo Over 2½ (-225) $90.00 for $40.00
Irene Aldana wins by 3 round decision (+169) $75.00 for $126.75

JJ Aldrich (-125) vs Danielle Taylor $125.00 for $100.00

Jessica Eye (-120) vs Kalindra Faria $120.00 for $100.00
Jessica Eye wins by 3 round decision (+181) $75.00 for $135.75

Mike Santiago (-175) vs Mads Burnell $175.00 for $100.00
Mike Santiago/Mads Burnell Under 2½ (-110) $110.00 for $100.00

Kyung Ho Kang (-290) vs Guido Cannetti $145.00 for $50.00
Kyung Ho Kang -3½ points (-195) $97.50 for $50.00
Kyung Ho Kang wins inside distance (+115) $40.00 for $46.00

Jeremy Stephens/Doo Ho Choi FOTN award winner (+250) $20.00 for $50.00
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01-14-2018 , 07:10 PM
Looks like i'm taking on Jim with my two main picks this card

I do like the same side of Kang (leaning sub there), Krause and maybe Eye. Considering Usman/Meek doesn't go distance too. Will tune in after the NFL game and might make a few other bets but just PVZ and Choi for now. I really like Choi/Stephens for FOTN it's basically a lock if it goes over 1.5 rounds and there are no other amazing fights on the card but no cash on 5d atm and couldnt be bothered depositing to bet it
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01-14-2018 , 08:04 PM
This is why you bet on the wrestle ****er. If they win you aren't as bored xd
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01-14-2018 , 08:53 PM
3u Jeremy Stephens @ 2.5
3u Jessica-Rose Clark @ 2.0
4u Michael Jhonson @ 1.55
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01-14-2018 , 08:59 PM
What hte hell is this post fight interview. Guess shes salty shes lost split decisions to wrestling before? Anyway with those two wins I'm at worst breaking even today.
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01-14-2018 , 10:08 PM
Wow, Polo Reyes just ENDED him there.

My picks that I didn't bet are going well so far (Kang sub, Eye), hoping the ones I did bet go just as well

Frevola blocks punches with his face. Probably not the best gameplan.
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01-14-2018 , 10:55 PM
Added a small bet on Usman/Meek doesnt go the distance at -120, smaller than Choi bet which in turn is smaller than PVZ bet

Shame I didnt bet Eye/Kang Sub/Krause which I mentioned I liked before the card would have gone 3/3 there just wasn't that confident on any of them
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01-14-2018 , 11:14 PM
So tempted to bet Elkins because hes been so good to me over the years but on paper I don't love the matchup. Will just cheer for him

p4p worst tattoo in all of MMA? I don't know what i'd do if I was a tattoo artist and someone told me that was the design they wanted, it'd be hard not to laugh. For a guy with such high fight IQ, his 'is this a good tattoo' IQ is not great.
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01-14-2018 , 11:16 PM
Wow, Johnson looks like skeletor in there, making 145 can't be healthy for him
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01-14-2018 , 11:22 PM
Sell me on Paige Van Zant chat. I don't like how an unknown? like JESSICA-ROSE CLARK is barely a dog??? Public would be all over PVZ, so has me worried... maybe a fish take. Sell me please
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01-14-2018 , 11:23 PM
DARREN. ****ING. ELKINS.
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01-14-2018 , 11:24 PM
Wow good job Elkins, Johnston should go back up to 155
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01-14-2018 , 11:25 PM
I could tell inbetween rounds that Elkins was going to come on strong but wow, he can take a beating like no other and use his fight IQ to find wins. Imagine if he had the physical attributes of an elite fighter he'd be unstoppable

That's why I didn't bet Johnson even though he's supposed to win on paper, Elkins always just finds a way to win

I suck for not betting on Elkins yet again, I have a better ROI betting on him than any other fighter i've bet on more than 5x
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01-14-2018 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sickreadtwenty3
Sell me on Paige Van Zant chat. I don't like how an unknown? like JESSICA-ROSE CLARK is barely a dog??? Public would be all over PVZ, so has me worried... maybe a fish take. Sell me please
I took PVZ when she was still a small dog, but there's a lot of 'PVZ is just a pretty face/she wants to be a celebrity not a fighter' among 'hardcore' MMA fans who are more likely to bet who are resentful of the UFC 'shoving paige and sage down our throats'

People also make the 'she lost to an atomweight last fight' card as if Michelle Waterson is some bum who isn't an ex champ.

For some reason people also forget she bulied Felice Herrig around the cage and won that fight easily and her only losses are to the current champion (she got beat down but survived until the fifth round) and Waterson who has elite BJJ which is Paige's biggest weakness and what she's been working on all camp with her new coach

Some people may also be fading her because she left TAM even though TAM is a shell of what it was under Bang Ludwig a few years ago, none of their guys are dominating anymore (Cody is their only real contender anymore) and Paige said she wasnt getting any personal training/attention there

People play the 'who has Paige beaten' well the answer is lower level fighters and Herrig and Rawlings, but who has Clark beaten? Rawlings by split decision and cans.

I think PVZ is a solid -150 to -180 fav. We'll see. She's slightly smaller than Clark, that is another factor in people fading her potentially, but the size difference isn't huge and she's been killing herself to make 115 so her already great cardio should be even better at 125 not cutting as much weight.

Who has PVZ lost to? Torres, Waterson and Namajunas. The champ and two top 10 fighters.

Who has Clark lost to? Sarah Kaufman and 3 chicks i've never heard of/likely cans. Her last 2 wins are split decisions too.

There's the pro-PVZ wins case.
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01-14-2018 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
I took PVZ when she was still a small dog, but there's a lot of 'PVZ is just a pretty face/she wants to be a celebrity not a fighter' among 'hardcore' MMA fans who are more likely to bet who are resentful of the UFC 'shoving paige and sage down our throats'

People also make the 'she lost to an atomweight last fight' card as if Michelle Waterson is some bum who isn't an ex champ.

For some reason people also forget she bulied Felice Herrig around the cage and won that fight easily and her only losses are to the current champion (she got beat down but survived until the fifth round) and Waterson who has elite BJJ which is Paige's biggest weakness and what she's been working on all camp with her new coach

Some people may also be fading her because she left TAM even though TAM is a shell of what it was under Bang Ludwig a few years ago, none of their guys are dominating anymore (Cody is their only real contender anymore) and Paige said she wasnt getting any personal training/attention there

People play the 'who has Paige beaten' well the answer is lower level fighters and Herrig and Rawlings, but who has Clark beaten? Rawlings by split decision and cans.

I think PVZ is a solid -150 to -180 fav. We'll see. She's slightly smaller than Clark, that is another factor in people fading her potentially, but the size difference isn't huge and she's been killing herself to make 115 so her already great cardio should be even better at 125 not cutting as much weight.

Who has PVZ lost to? Torres, Waterson and Namajunas. The champ and two top 10 fighters.

Who has Clark lost to? Sarah Kaufman and 3 chicks i've never heard of/likely cans. Her last 2 wins are split decisions too.

There's the pro-PVZ wins case.
OK Thanks for the write-up!
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01-14-2018 , 11:39 PM
Alright. Let's see if Meek can do the impossible. Go Meek, go Norway!
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01-14-2018 , 11:55 PM
Not looking the best for my either fighter ITD bet yet but if Usman gets a dominant position he may find the finish and Meek has the punchers chance still

I'm viewing it as effectively an Usman ITD bet at a slightly worse price to account for punchers chance the other way
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