1-0 +1.74

Agreed, it'll be nice to have a DJ fight that isn't a squash, his only real challengers where people have thought they might have a chance since early in his reign have been the Benavidez rematch and Cejudo. I think TJ vs DJ would open at close to a pickem, I assume whoevers weight class it would be in would open as a small fav so at 125 DJ might be a small fav, but I quite like TJ as a dog there

that fight would be terrible

dj sucks

Why are you two bellends posting in this thread again? Thought you'd moved on to arguing about stupid stuff in other threads and generally seeing who can be the bigger condescending prick.

Anyone got thoughts on Pettis vs Poirer card?
Really hard to see Diego Sanchez having much for Matt Brown at this stage of his career but at 1.34 its pretty slim odds.

nice match up for a fight but Diego is completely gone now no, we know he is less than a shadow of his former self and Matt brown is the wrong dude to be in front of, brown has hugely more left in the tank, how does this go the distance or over 2.5?

Matt Brown v Diego Sanchez a few years ago would be one of the best match ups humanely possible? Matt brown will blow through him, he just has to touch him and then the fight is over, Brown is a absolute killer vs dudes with chins of granite never mind being glass jaw?

right?

I think the 8/11 for the under 2.5 is nice.

UFC Matches Matt Brown v Diego Sanchez
12-11-2017 03:30
Total Rounds
Under (2.5) @ 8/11
Your Bets
Win
Single: Under (2.5) @ 8/11
1 line at £65.00 per line
Total stake for this bet: £65.00
Potential returns: £112.27

I am already on the Pettis vs Poirer fight by way of ITD bet (its a 5rd fight)...
I like Poirer to win later half of rd 3...

Listened to Rogan/Schaub today and they both said they doubt GSP fights Whittaker and that Woodley is next unless his shoulder is ****ed really bad and he is out awhile.

As much as I'd like to bet on Whittaker to smash GSP, seems hard to believe someone as business savvy as GSP is risking a fight with a guy who isn't a draw and 1 of the toughest fights he could make.

The thing is the title shot at 170 is always there, I guess it depends if he cares about money or his legacy - he's obviously got an automatic 170 shot any time he wants it and the catchweight fight with Conor is always a possibility at 165 or even a WW fight at 170, but if he loses all of the muscle mass at his age it'll be harder to go back up to 185 to fight for the belt again if he drops it all to fight at 170 then loses after giving up the 185 belt which he'd have to do if he isn't going to defend it probably.

IF he thinks he can beat Whittaker it'd be worth it, I don't think he can but who knows, if he thinks he can he might want to defend a belt at 185 it would go a long way towards his P4P #1 claim especially if he then goes back to 170 and wins the belt back after he eventually loses the belt at 185 whenever that is and/or beats Conor in a superfight - but once he loses all of that muscle it'll take a long time to gain it back and he isn't getting any younger so if he ever plans to fight at 185 the time has to be now, and I mean he has the belt so it's not like it's out of the range of possibility that he can beat anyone at 185 on a good day. I think Whittaker beats him, but he has power now at 185 even if he's slower than he used to be.

Think this card has a bunch of guys being put out to pasture. Diego Sanchez, Andrei Arlovski, Nate Marquardt, etc. I've already faded Marquardt and Sanchez at -230 and -280 respectively, but not super enthusiastic about either guy at those odds.

How do you guys feel about Poirier vs Pettis and Guida vs Lauzon?

Brown should win but not at ALL keen to lay that price on him given he's retiring after the fight win or lose and has lost 5 of his last 6 or so, granted several of them in competitive fights against elite guys.

Pettis seems to match up well vs Poirier but he's still so inconsistent I have no plans to bet it, if it's a technical fight Pettis wins easily but if Poirier can make it messy he can win. As weird as it sounds I think Poirier should clinch and shoot early and often even though he's not really a wrestler - if I have to take a side i'd take Pettis I think, but if the price climbs too high i'll go Poirier

I like Poirier, think he deserves to be like a 60% favorite. More complete and well rounded fighter, plus he's 28 and in his prime, and it seems as if Pettis has already peaked. Poirier is also a southpaw, which could give Pettis some problems since Pettis's best weapon is that rear roundhouse kick. Should be a great fight. Lots of good spots on this card.

I think it'll come down to what type of fight it is - if they stand and trade on the outside Pettis wins but if Poirier can get it inside and make it dirty he could get the win.

Till vs Wonderboy announced for a London card in February. Obviously the UFC is setting Till up to be the new post-Bisping English draw if he wins, but again I think any pure striker facing Wonderboy is just a nightmare matchup for them unless they're a better technical striker than he is and nobody is at WW imo. Hoping to get WB as only a small fav, but expecting him at be more like -200. Who knows. I sort of can't get over the Dalby/Till fight in taking Till seriously as a threat at 170 even though he's young and improving and just beat Cerrone, I suppose Wonderboy lost to Matt Brown when he was green and it's possible that Till is just that good now, but I expect him to just lose every round to Wonderboy on the feet, until age gets Wonderboy (and he should have a year or two left as he hasn't taken a lot of damage so isn't that old in fight years even though he's 34) he's not going to lose to a striker at WW. I think Wonderboy just knocks off contenders one by one until Woodley loses the belt or he's cleaned out the division, then gets one last title shot unless age gets him first. It'll happen sometime in the next five years, but I don't think it happens until he's had a few more wars, most of his wins have been one sided and the only two big shots he's taken in the UFC were the two from Woodley neither of which knocked him out. He's probably closer to 30 than 34 in fight years even though he's had 57 kickboxing fights he went 57-0 in them and he's never been finished in MMA or had a real war (unless he's had one in kickboxing I don't know about) so I think he's very young in fight years relative to his age so he shouldn't lose until his speed/reflexes start to decline and they still look fine or if he loses to a grappler who has good enough striking defense and takedowns to get him down at will.

Kind of wish i'd taken Assuncao at the -250ish open. Sort of tempted by Pereira as a dog, is Suarez really good enough to be -2xx in a battle of undefeated womens fighters? I want to fade Sage but I know nothing about Quinones and his record looks unimpressive. If the Arlovski price gets much higher I might have to take him too, he's on a 5 fight loss streak and his chin is gone but offensively he's still talented, it's at HW and it's a big step up for Albini and all 5 losses have been to top 15 guys for Arlovski (although I guess we're yet to see if Tybura is really that good he might not be top 15). If Arlovski gets to +250 or higher I may have to though just because he's still a super talented striker and it's a step down in competition for him unless Albini is actually elite and not just a prospect in a shallow division. Albini's only beaten one UFC level fighter so it's too soon to tell if he can handle Arlovski easily or not. Arlovski hasn't been getting destroyed by cans, he's been getting destroyed mostly by top 10 guys so while I agree he's a dog here on his current losing streak is he really sub 30% in a HW fight against a prospect?

I originally liked Lauzon as well but Guida may just LnP him and Lauzon's TDD is not that good. I'm tempted to take Lauzon ITD at this point in their careers and might look at Guida by decision and see if either line is tempting. Tempted by Dodson too as I think he's underrated now in a pickem with Moraes but Moraes is legit and Dodson's small for BW so idk. I was originally considering Sanchez by TKO as well due to Brown's body failing him but Sanchez hasn't won by finish since 2008 so I don't know if I can do that even at ridiculous long odds. Brown should beat him up easily but i'm not laying -300ish on Brown when he's retiring after the fight win or lose. I do hope Brown gets to go out on a win like Chris Lytle did.

Stephen Thompson’s coach: No interest in fighting Darren Till at this time https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/11/...source=twitter …

I took Moraes at -110, Stewart at average price of +158, and Poirier at +105. Also have smaller bets on Guida, Ferrerra, and Brown. Agree with you that the most likely outcome is that Guida takes him down and beats him up, although Lauzon's grappling is probably the best part of his game.

I think Quinones kind of sucks, was flirting with the idea of betting on him but he's primarily a Tae Kwon Do guy and Northcutt is a really good kickboxer, so there's no reason to think Quinones would have an edge there. This is a fight that is designed for Northcutt to win - he's potentially the next big star for the UFC, whereas Quinones is 31 years old, sucks, and is completely expendable. Doesn't mean Quinones can't pull it out, just that I think this is about as good of a matchup for Northcutt as the UFC could find.

How do you guys feel about Silva versus Gastelum? I thought Silva looked pretty good against Brunson (who, overall, is a superior fighter to Gastelum) but he looked pretty bad against Bisping, who is probably more of a comparable matchup stylistically to Gastelum. Gastelum has great boxing, good power, and really fast hands, but at the same time he's primarily a striker, he's going up against Anderson Silva, and Anderson Silva has a 6 inch reach advantage and was the greatest striker of all time at his peak. Then again, Silva doesn't have the same power that he used to and Gastelum has great hand speed and heavy hands, so maybe betting on him is a trap since he could definitely catch Anderson and KO him. I am very tempted by Silva at +190 though.

Cruz out of Rivera fight with a broken arm, I guess that means Rivera is next in line by default now although they'll probably find a replacement for him to fight since he'll need to stay active if TJ's fighting Mighty Mouse next.

It sucks for Cruz that his body keeps letting him down, but at least he'll have a great job on the commentary desk once he decides to hang it up and he's still the GOAT at BW although TJ can and probably will take that title from him with a couple more wins over legit challengers.

Frankie Edgar is out too.

its a good thing he is injured, he would have got obliterated imo,

no one is beating max Holloway expect conor

I think you're probably right that Holloway is the next apex predator in that division, but if anyone at 145 could beat him it'd be Frankie. I actually think Holloway would beat Conor if they fought again.

Chemistry of this fight means to me a huge amount of the time it wont go the distance., blatantly pettis is going to catch Poirier slow moving head or Poirier is going to mount pettis end of 3rd and wear him down and out?

I like the ITD here, Dustin Poirier does not move as good as pettis and this means a hell of a lot for a quality striker like pettis, it means he can tee off on Poirer and his chin is little suspect recently.

I would not be surprised to see Pettis blow Poirier out

I am NOT feeling this or any other fight but clutching at what my logic is telling me is a sensible play,

How does pettis and Poirier go at it for 25minutes, its in neither of them chemistry, one of them is getting ktfo, Poirier in particular is not really built to be dragging it out, he is getting in there to get stuck in and end the other guy ASAP, pettis of either fighter is the one I take to go the distance and win by D which is surprising given we think he is a 3full round fighter then tires.

What ever... good fight thou, good for the sport, look forward to watching this, Pettis is called show time for a reason and he is working his oils to get his bread so wants this to work... good fight man.

Anderson Silva popped again - out of Gastelum fight

And:

Conor McGregor shoves ref, slaps official after crashing Bellator fight

http://nypost.com/2017/11/10/conor-m...ellator-fight/

All part of the plan, needs to stay in the spotlight somehow at all times. He'll pay some fine 50-100K or whatever, but then in the long run he will make a profit. Stars like him just need some controversy so that we don't forget about them... sad.

yeah that was pretty sad to see, he was acting like a moron. I'm big fan of him as a person and his work as a fighter, but it seems the money and fame is changing him for the worse. I also got a feeling that when he is so over the top, alcohol or other drugs might be in play.

I would take Holloway over Conor ITD (5RD) with Holloway the fav 10/11 but would expect to see 11/10 under dog Holloway (straight up W) so it would be an easy bet REALLY EASY.


You have to see and know what is going on, Holloway is not the same fighter he was when he first fought conor first time. conor would get worn out into the 4th and 5th and would get in trouble in each round. He does not have the quality's that Holloway has, as unique as Conor is, Holloway is as special and even more so,

Of the two conor is the more like bruce lee so he has a special place in my heart (add emotional content and don't sweat it this is not the only life :-), but I know where my bread is buttered and have to give it up for the level Holloway has reached, the guy is at timeless warrior immaculate, absolutely astounding.

Love seeing that people are able to reach the perfection of sport Holloway embodies.

I hope Holloway post his Career inside the cage some how continues to add his quality into modern MMA through tutorship or some thing. UFC should notice the rare gem Holloway is and make plains to see he lives a long arse life and spreads about what ever the heck it is he has because its bright and twinkles brightly.

Conor vs Holloway would be great but there's no incentive for Conor to fight him unless Holloway becomes a dominant champ and it becomes a superfight because he's beaten him before granted a while ago

The fight that makes the most sense is Ferguson to legitimise/unify his belt, or if he's chasing other belts the Woodley fight is always there although Conor needs to KO him and quickly on the feet because he's not stopping a Woodley takedown/gnp very easily - Khabib may be a better wrestler than Woodley but Woodley is bigger/more powerful.

To keep his star power he needs a win and to 'legitimise' his belt, Ferguson by far makes the most sense, he's a less dangerous fight than any of Khabib/Woodley/Nate/Holloway and there's more upside in that he's the undisputed champ of his division if/when he wins (and I think he'd be -200 fav vs Ferguson vs a pickem vs Khabib, a dog to Woodley and a slightly smaller fav vs Holloway) - Ferguson could easily tap Conor on the ground but he has no way to get it there without rocking him standing and Conor is simply a better, more powerful more technical striker on the feet even though Ferguson has good striking, Conor will beat him there barring puncher's chance so long as his cardio holds which it will for 2-3 rounds and i'll be shocked if he can't finish Ferguson in that time on the feet. Ferguson's best chance is to weather the storm and beat him when he's tired, but that means not getting knocked out for at least 10-15mins in a fight likely to be contested standing. Conor vs Tony is the fight to make, the Nate trilogy fight is there win or lose for Conor forever, that's his back up money fight if he loses his title in the UFC and it's not going anywhere (followed by a title shot after that fight if he wins it in whatever division). What makes the most sense for him is make LW title defenses, go after the WW title whenever someone that's the easiest possible matchup for him wins it (eg if Masvidal took it off Woodley granted thats unlikely now) and take the Nate trilogy fight after he loses the title whenever that may be or when he's cleaned out the division and doesn't want to fight for the WW title

Sad to see Anderson flag under USADA again makes it even more likely he was using his whole career. I was a huge Anderson fan but at this point he really should retire he's embarrassing himself failing drug tests if he can't compete without PEDs, or go to an org he can take all the PEDs he wants like Rizin and face whoever they can throw at him there

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Dustin Poirier/Anthony Pettis Over 2½ (-120) $120.00 for $100.00

Diego Sanchez +3½ points (+165) vs Matt Brown $100.00 for $165.00
Diego Sanchez/Matt Brown Over 2½ (+135) $100.00 for $135.00

Andrei Arlovski (+280) vs Junior Albini $100.00 for $280.00
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Cezar Ferreira/Nate Marquardt Under 1½ (+170) $100.00 for $170.00

Raphael Assuncao/Matthew Lopez Over 2½ (-250) $187.50 for $75.00

Clay Guida (-125) vs Joe Lauzon $375.00 for $300.00

Marlon Moraes (-115) vs John Dodson $345.00 for $300.00

Viviane Pereira/Tatiana Suarez Under 2½ (+185) $100.00 for $185.00

Sage Northcutt (-160) vs Michel Quinones $480.00 for $300.00
Sage Northcutt wins by submission (+650) $25.00 for $162.50

Nina Ansaroff (+167) vs Angela Hill $100.00 for $167.00

Court McGee/Sean Strickland Over 2½ (-235) $176.25 for $75.00

Jake Collier/Marcel Fortuna Over 1½ (-190) $95.00 for $50.00

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