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06-26-2017 , 08:14 PM
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/6/2...osterone-ratio

Pretty crazy read over incompetence by an athletic commission in the Cortney Casey case, false positive etc
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06-26-2017 , 10:18 PM
you heard of this Tenshin Nasukawa, Swoop?

dude could get us some units imo (future),
thoughts, timeline to seeing him hit some major events?

Interesting video..

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06-26-2017 , 10:29 PM
Hadn't heard of him before your post

I assume he'll get his start in Rizin against mostly cans and gradually work his way up and he'll probably need a few years to work on his ground game to compete at UFC level but i'll take a look at some of his fights if I can find them, I didn't watch most of the Rizin undercards

Pretty sure if James Krause is in the TUF finale which he should be if he beats Jesse Taylor that he'll beat whoever he faces from the other side of the bracket but he might be an unbettable fav, I said before the season that I expected Krause or Nijem to win it and after Krause beat Nijem in the quarter finals he should take it down assuming there's no injury issues (show left it on a cliffhanger)

Some pretty significant steam on Shevchenko in the last day, it seems like the sort of fight to live bet Shevchenko after round one as she's a slow starter but picks up as the fight goes on and Nunes is a fast starter who can fade if she can't get the finish. If I can get a decent line on Shevchenko if Nunes wins the first round I might live bet that one. Pretty sure i'll be on Lawler and Werdum for 213 and I was going to take Whittaker when he was a dog but now that it's a pickem i'm leaving that one alone.

There is absolutely no reason why Travis Browne should lose to Oliynik given his physical gifts, but since he's got no fight IQ and Edmund training him I might take a stab on Oleynik if the odds are decent. It was utterly ridiculous how Browne lost to Lewis after having him hurt. Might have a look at Thiago Santos too but I need to watch more tape on Meerschart but if he's just a pure grappler Santos should knock him out quickly. He'll probably be a big fav though.

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06-27-2017 , 07:36 PM
If nunes fights smart she should beat shevchenko, a fresh nunes is better in all areas; faster, stronger, better on the ground. When rewatching it she was really dominant in rounds 1 and 2, getting easy takedowns and being the faster more accurate striker, but also expanding alot of energy with wild winging shots that often missed. After almost finishing shev in round 2 she gassed pretty heavily in round 3. That is definitely a major concern but not so much that she should be an underdog in my opinion. Im sure that she is working on her cardio now and that american top team will come up with a smart gameplan for her. I will go pretty big on the nunes ml and probably hedge it with round 4 and 5 for shevchenko.
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06-28-2017 , 04:24 PM
Michael Bisping (5/2)
Yoel Romero (2/7)
https://www.oddschecker.com/ufc-mma

nope,

Bisping is legit.. people don't want him to be, cant believe it but he is 5/2 under dog vs a guy that gasses but has pop in the 3rd as his up the sleeve trick.

interesting fight. Bisping has evolved to the point that the cage is actually his no mater who is in there. he is a work machine evolved, he is the champ for a reason!

books have Robbie Lawler (13/19) Donald Cerrone (25/19) about right, I just don't see this fight either going the distance or Cerrone winning.
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06-28-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Balla Shusher
Michael Bisping (5/2)
Yoel Romero (2/7)
https://www.oddschecker.com/ufc-mma

nope,

Bisping is legit.. people don't want him to be, cant believe it but he is 5/2 under dog vs a guy that gasses but has pop in the 3rd as his up the sleeve trick.

interesting fight. Bisping has evolved to the point that the cage is actually his no mater who is in there. he is a work machine evolved, he is the champ for a reason!

books have Robbie Lawler (13/19) Donald Cerrone (25/19) about right, I just don't see this fight either going the distance or Cerrone winning.
Cerrone is injured and the fight is being moved 214...
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06-28-2017 , 09:34 PM
Shame we lost arguably the two best fights off 213 in the BW title fight and Cerrone/Lawler, it's still a fine card but it's just fine now instead of amazing

Cerrone might not be ready for 214, but given they just added Woodley vs Maia to 214 that card is looking amazing now. Only just saw Megan Anderson pulled out so now Evinger gets to be sacrificed to Cyborg for no reason. We lost Doo Ho Choi off the card too which sucks as his fights are always entertaining.

Still, this is one hell of a card now

Jones vs DC 2
Woodley vs Maia
Oezdemir vs Manuwa
Cyborg vs Evinger
Sterling vs Barao
Northcutt vs Makdessi
Lamas vs Knight

even Ortega vs Moicano is two solid prospects

Hoping to get Maia as a substantial dog to Woodley and I wouldn't be surprised if I can get +150 or better, while I agree with conventional wisdom that this isn't a great matchup for Maia I think the fight is a coinflip as I think Maia is still underrated and Woodley is overrated. Woodley's tendency to back up towards the cage could be a problem for him.

I do think think Maia will struggle to land a takedown but at the same time it would not surprise me at all if he can take Woodley's back standing as he backs up to the cage

Of course, Woodley could turn Maia's lights out with a big shot but if he doesn't it'll be risky for him to try and finish the fight with GnP too if Maia is rocked but not out of it - it's 5 rounds and Maia can happily pull guard any time they clinch if he's struggling to get a traditional takedown or get Woodley's back standing. Because it's 5 rounds I really doubt Woodley will want to implement any sort of wrestling based gameplan because it's Maia
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06-29-2017 , 04:46 AM
Pretty bummed Lawler vs Cerrone fight is off. Lawler was my most confident bet of that card.

I do like Nunes but she is that explosive fast twitch Jose Aldo type of athlete. I am pretty sure will get tired in a five round fight. Probably as Swoop suggested the best bet would be Shevchenko live if she loses the first two rounds.

Took Whittaker at 1.95 with Ladbrokes as money has already come in him and I don't expect to get a better price. Its a good match up for him and think he is a slightly bigger favourite here.
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06-29-2017 , 07:03 AM
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Pretty bummed Lawler vs Cerrone fight is off. Lawler was my most confident bet of that card.
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Oh man, tell me about it, had my biggest bet of the year locked in early at opening lines of 1.94 for Lawler to win.

Any chance the bet keeps standing if they move the fight to UFC 2014?

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06-29-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Oh man, tell me about it, had my biggest bet of the year locked in early at opening lines of 1.94 for Lawler to win.

Any chance the bet keeps standing if they move the fight to UFC 2014?
sick price
mine got cancelled
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06-29-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Hoping to get Maia as a substantial dog to Woodley and I wouldn't be surprised if I can get +150 or better, while I agree with conventional wisdom that this isn't a great matchup for Maia I think the fight is a coinflip as I think Maia is still underrated and Woodley is overrated. Woodley's tendency to back up towards the cage could be a problem for him.
Strongly disagree. I think Woodley deserves to be at least a 3-1 favorite, if Maia opens at +150 I will backup the truck on Woodley.

Maia really has two ways to win:
1.) He could potentially try to outstrike Woodley. Woodley's not a great striker, but he's better than Maia and he has ridiculous power. This approach didn't work so well for Wonderboy, who is vastly superior on his feet to Maia.

2.) He could try to take him down and submit him, which is kind of his standard game plan. This will almost certainly not work - Woodley is shorter (which makes him harder to take down), is an NCAA Division 1 wrestler, and is a ridiculous physical specimen. It is VERY tough to take down somebody who is shorter and physically stronger than you, and I don't think there is any doubt that Woodley is the stronger man. I'm not saying it absolutely can't happen (Maia took down Chael Sonnen with a nice leg sweep), but I think it will be extremely difficult.

Plus, Maia would need to close the distance on a guy who doesn't really fear Maia's striking and who has ridiculous knockout power and is great at tagging guys when they come in.

I like Maia (and my sense is you do too), but this is a horrible matchup for him.
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06-30-2017 , 06:38 AM
I also favour Woodley pretty strongly in this fight. It's going to be pretty hard for Maia to close the distance without eating something.

He doesn't really have the striking to set up to disguise he shots. I don't think Woodley is a 1.2 favourite or anything as Maia is the best grappler in mma right. But if Woodley is around 1.5/-200 then I think he is good value.

Not really sure what the line will open at.
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06-30-2017 , 08:55 AM
I agree it's a bad matchup for Maia but I think Woodley is vastly overrated still and that Maia beats more of the top 10 than Woodley does. I'm pretty sure i'll be on Maia at what the actual lines will be. Welterweight Maia has been one of the most profitable fighters for me to bet on in the UFC (Darren Elkins is up there too plus a few other guys) and i'm not going to stop fading Woodley until he loses because I still don't believe he is the best at welterweight and to honest I don't even think he's top 3 as far as skillset is concerned. I'll take Maia over Woodley as a dog which he will be, i'll take GSP over Woodley if it's close to a pickem even with the layoff, i'd even take Wonderboy for a third time against Woodley. I'd take Rory over Woodley as well. I'd even take Masvidal over Woodley probably. Granted i'd take Woodley over anyone else in the weight class, but i'm not sure he's a favourite over anyone in the top five (he's probably a small favourite against Maia due to the stylistic matchup, but a very small fav and I can't help but feel like Maia might get his back and tap him very quickly and i'd be shocked if Woodley doesn't open at least at -170 and it could be -200 or more which is what i'm hoping)

Even if Woodley gets past Maia i'm going to continue to fade him as long as his next opponent is one of GSP/Masvidal/Wonderboy(lol at the idea of that happening) or Rory Mac. If he beats Maia, Masvidal and GSP i'll happily admit I was wrong and Woodley is one of the GOATs at WW.

But i'm hoping I can get +230 or something ridiculous on Maia, that would be cool. Woodley's hard to take down, but he backs into the cage and I think Maia is a pretty strong chance to take his back standing like he did to Masvidal and i'm not sure Woodley has Masvidal's defensive BJJ. Plus, Maia can basically pull guard any time he feels threatened on the feet or managed as long as he isn't badly rocked and he'll be totally fine. It would be interesting to see Maia do a Ryan Hall style gameplan if plan A of take Woodley's back or get a takedown doesn't work where he throws kicks from range then flops to his back. Not sure it's in his skillset but would be interesting to see.
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06-30-2017 , 01:56 PM
your bets (1)

Single - Fabricio Werdum vs Alistair Overeem
Over 1.5 - Total Rounds 2
Odds: 2/3
1 lines at £35.00 per line
Total Stake for this bet: £35.00
Potential Return:£58.33
Time : 30/6/2017-18:41

these two guys are too aware of each others skill set (and seasoned developed) to fall into typical set ups, Fabricio interestingly I believe has enough pop to trouble Alistair up stairs, but over all my initial thoughts are the fight drags on a little.

Small bet here, to be brutally honest both of these fighters are able to deliver absolute genius, but its definitely Alistair on the back foot because he knows his chin cant get touched (AT ALL), nor can he be brought to the ground by the master him self.

But Alistair has the hands and feet of Olympus,

Its a funny set up, I like it and want to see this fight very much.

I see it going further rather than shorter, but if it is shorter its going to be *** brutal, and neither of these guys want to get destroyed, obliterate, right?

If it does end early I have it Werdum, he got schooled recently and knows not to be MR STUPID from the mr men again for the rest of his life.

Over 1.5 hedge with Werdum in rd1?


nice fight for the fans this one, got to love the fight both these guys bring to the cage, If I had to go work out and learn MMA it would be with Alistair but then I am a huge fan of ernesto hoost which would have ripped sht up if he took it to the cage (younger).

Edit: Spider sense telling me Allister, adding a little Allister on this one.


30 Jun 19:01
£*25.00
Single
Winner - Overeem, Alistair
Unsettled

#7. Bet Source: Web. Single : £ 25.00

Total Odds: 1.79

09 Jul 03:00
MMA. UFC. F.Werdum vs A.Overeem. Winner : Overeem, Alistair. Odds: 1.79

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06-30-2017 , 02:45 PM
Swoop I think Maja pulling guard is not a good against a guy with great gnp. Maja will get hurt on his back with Woodley on top.

Maja's only chance is really just a punchers chance and that is to take Woodley's back a choke him out. I'll let you guys decide if Woodley's wrestling is good enough to stop that.

Other than that I really do not see Maja winning. Actually he could really push the pace I guess and tire Woodley that way, then in the 4th or 5th sub him.
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06-30-2017 , 09:11 PM
PFL 1 Risk $528.00

Jon Fitch/Brian Foster Over 2½ (-195) $195.00 for $100.00

Joao Zeferino/Herman Terrado Under 1½ (-105) $42.00 for $40.00

Caros Fodor (+250) vs Jason High $40.00 for $100.00
Caros Fodor wins inside distance (+460) $25.00 for $115.00
Caros Fodor/Jason High Over 2½ (-165) $66.00 for $40.00

Smealinho Rama (-160) vs Ronny Markes $160.00 for $100.00
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07-01-2017 , 12:19 AM
Woodley really making the most of it, can't say i'm a fan of him but the dude's patience and strategic careerplanning is paying off big time.

So first he waited like a long time to get his title shot wich I think he didn't deserve in the first place, he basically stopped fighting for 18 months after coming of a split-decision win over Gastelum and having lost two fights before that to Rory. Oh yeah in between Hedricks missed weight and their fight got cancelled. But he still got the titleshot and won vs Lawler, then after that he got paid really well fighting on UFC 205 getting PPV points as a champion on one of the biggest cards of the year, then IMO he got a bit lucky winning the rematch, and now is he is fighting a great stylistically match-up on another great card under DC- Jones 2, meaning he will get payed really good again. He also most likely will fight GSP after that wich mean another huge payday and if that wasn't enough there is also a small possibility he might face Conor for the biggest payday of his life.

If you look at it you would assume he is pretty content about the UFC and how he gets treated, no way he gets treated unfairly or that there is any racism in play, if anything it would be the opposite IMO.

But well seems that all the complaining and bitching payed off for him, good for him I guess, he is a hustler and does what's best for him, can't hate to much on that, but I will be rooting for Maia that's sure.
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07-01-2017 , 12:55 AM
I'll give Woodley credit for staying active and always fighting the #1 contender. If he keeps winning he'll be in the conversation for best WW ever especially if he defends 3-4 more times and one of the defenses is GSP. He'd need to avenge his Rory loss though imo as it was such a one sided beatdown and I doubt Rory is coming back to the UFC. I don't think he gets though Maia/GSP/Masvidal but if he does it's one of the most impressive runs even if both Wonderboy fights were close (and I thought he drew at best in both fights personally)

It's obviously absurd that he's claiming he's unfairly treated given he regularly gets to fight on the biggest cards and is being given every chance to become a draw, I mean he's going to get to fight GSP next probably if he beats Maia, outside of Conor who isn't really a WW there aren't any bigger fights than that for him.
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07-01-2017 , 12:42 PM
Amanda Nunes is much better than Valentina,
How good is somebody going to have too beat Cody Garbrandt,

I want to see that? dude is unstoppable atm.

Rarely do Parlays, but I feel this is pretty solid.




How is St Pierre coming back to fight Bisping? wasn't he down at Diaz weight before?
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07-01-2017 , 02:13 PM
Good to see the TJ/Cody fight got a new date, I am all over TJ though, I think he's the legit best guy in the division.

I love Nunes and +100 is huge to me.

Just picked up some tickets for 213, buzzing to see some UFC in Vegas!
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07-01-2017 , 03:17 PM
Any bets for tonight's fights?
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07-01-2017 , 03:35 PM
The ACB card? Nothing for me.
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07-01-2017 , 03:55 PM
I'm on Luke Barnett (-160) for 3.2 units tonight
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07-01-2017 , 04:54 PM
agree with west..

adding a little more on the straight up

Single Selections
Valentina Shevchenko v Amanda Nunes
Amanda Nunes
(To Win the Bout - Match)
Odds:*1/1
Stake:*85.00
Possible Return:* 170.00

Nunes is very special and is prime atm, like +100 very much here.
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07-01-2017 , 07:08 PM
Manny Pacquiao v Jeff Horn - Will Fight Go The Distance?

Single @ 10/11 stake £75, potential returns £143.18

Some one is going to sleep in this fight, this is not going to be a patta cake patta cake fight, this will be brutal and many is going to have to put this guy away else he will get sparked out himself.


great (boxing fight), like the inside the distance at nearly evens..
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