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03-05-2017 , 02:10 AM
Anywhere to see the official judge's scorecards? Are draw rounds possible in UFC? It seems next to impossible to give either of 1,2, or 4 to Woodley but if split rounds are possible I could see one of those rounds being a split.
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03-05-2017 , 02:12 AM
The Brunson Silva fight was much more of a robbery
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03-05-2017 , 02:13 AM
Nothing new to add. Awful judging, just like the boxing WW fight earlier, but at least that 1 had the correct winner. How did no judge give it to Thompson?
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03-05-2017 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Caldarooni
He was likely desperate since he knew he was losing. . .
I judged it for WB, but i hate guys winning by trying not to lose. Woodley didnt do much except for the TD and the 5th, but WB did very little as well except for forward pressure

Both guys dont deserve that championship
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03-05-2017 , 02:14 AM
Oh wow they announced Jacare vs Whittaker for the fox card that's cool, along with MM vs Reis
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03-05-2017 , 02:15 AM


enjoy this screenshot of the scorecards

woodley won 2nd 3rd and 5th according to judges

in my books Thompson won 3 out of 5
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03-05-2017 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3
Anywhere to see the official judge's scorecards? Are draw rounds possible in UFC? It seems next to impossible to give either of 1,2, or 4 to Woodley but if split rounds are possible I could see one of those rounds being a split.
I usually find them here a bit after the fight when they come out http://mmadecisions.com/decision/783...ephen-Thompson

Up 3,5ish units on the card if my quick count is right. Should have been almost 5,5!
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03-05-2017 , 02:19 AM
Insane ending to the fight though. How does Thompson let that happen with less than 30 seconds to go in the fight? Just a terrible choke imo.

The whole 5th round he was sort of dancing around and on guard for that and then "boom". I mean, what a time to get tagged and as many people say it could have been stopped with some refs.

I know the dude doesn't like to keep his hands up and fights that style but damn, put out your "prevent defense" in this spot and avoid that ****. It wasn't even as if he was exhausted or hurt prior to that hit.
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03-05-2017 , 02:26 AM
Baffling, Derek Cleary and Chris Lee officially join Adalaide Byrd in the 'too incompetent to ever judge another MMA fight' camp.

I'll need to watch round 2, did Woodley land anything at all? At best it would have been one punch, and he spent the whole round backed into the cage and Wonderboy landed a couple basics shots from memory.

Saw a tweet 'just stop the fight and award the title to GSP' that made me laugh. That fight was terrible

Also apparently Reem had food poisoning so makes his win and ability to finish in r3 after getting tagged in r2 a bit more impressive
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03-05-2017 , 02:27 AM
It's also insane looking at those judges scorecards that the 5th round "almost" knockout really didn't change the eventual fight outcome much at all.

Woodley would have probably still ended up winning in a split decision as I imagine he was winning the 5th round anyway 10 to 9 on all judges scorecards already.

Imagine if that had happened and how irate people would have been over the scoring of that 2nd round.
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03-05-2017 , 02:51 AM
Yeah the only reason there's not 'greatest robbery of all time' everywhere is because Woodley won the fight as a whole as result of the 5th round knockdown even though it was either Wonderboy or a draw under 10 point

There's literally no justifiable way that he won the fight unless you're extremely liberal with 10-10 rounds

Can you imagine if Wonderboy just circled away the boos that would have reigned down on Woodley when the judges give him a split decision?
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03-05-2017 , 02:53 AM
Swoop, I think another reason there isn't as much outrage over the decision is because Woodley winning and draw have the same result, him keeping the belt and them not fighting again anytime soon.

Most people don't have action on the fight.
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03-05-2017 , 03:06 AM
Also, how happy could anyone be with a wonderboy victory there if you were not a fan or betting on him? It was not a championship performance. The close fights that Robbie probably should not have won were barn burners. I thought WB won the first two rounds also, but he didn't win the first two so much as have them gifted by woodly.

By the rules I think it was a draw or WB won, but at least woodley had WB in relative trouble once and big trouble twice. WB is hard to feel sorry for here. By school yard rules it was clearly woodley ainec. For such a weak showing where neither looked like the champ--who cares?
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03-05-2017 , 03:08 AM
Two draws, I mean yes they'd go with another contender (Maia) in between if things were fair, but Wonderboy would still be number 1 contender by default and could get another shot with a win (ideally at someone else if Woodley loses the belt in his next defense)

Woodley is the least impressive UFC champion of all time and I will definitely be betting against him in his next title defense assuming it's Maia or GSP

I hope they scrap Maia vs Masvidal and set up Maia vs Woodley right now; yes the UFC doesn't want either as champ but get it out of the way with now while GSP is at MW for a fight and then you can have GSP fight the winner regardless of who it is regardless of whether he beats Bisping or not.

Put Lawler in against Masvidal for the shot after that, and give Wonderboy a rebuilding fight to get him a highlight reel KO and some confidence back, maybe a Matt Brown rematch to try and get that win back (plus the fight would be awesome with Brown's aggro style) or set up Wonderboy vs Lawler for the guaranteed fireworks if you're keeping Maia vs Masvidal and giving the winner of that the next shot at Woodley

As a fan rather than person who bet on the fight i'd much rather Wonderboy as champ because we've seen him in great fights and the four next contenders (GSP, Maia, Masvidal and Lawler) would all be great fights for him. Would anybody not LOVE to see Lawler vs Wonderboy?

I'm not excited to watch Woodley fight anyone, he hasn't had a good fight since... well does Lawler count where it was basically one punch? If not, then... I don't know, Marquardt in Strikeforce?

I agree Wonderboy's stock has gone way down as a result of the two Woodley fights though. After Rory I was convinced he'd dominate anyone other than maybe Maia or GSP.

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03-05-2017 , 03:15 AM
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Also, how happy could anyone be with a wonderboy victory there if you were not a fan or betting on him? It was not a championship performance. The close fights that Robbie probably should not have won were barn burners. I thought WB won the first two rounds also, but he didn't win the first two so much as have them gifted by woodly.

By the rules I think it was a draw or WB won, but at least woodley had WB in relative trouble once and big trouble twice. WB is hard to feel sorry for here. By school yard rules it was clearly woodley ainec. For such a weak showing where neither looked like the champ--who cares?
exactly
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03-05-2017 , 03:16 AM
With the way WME-IMG is running things, I really don't see Wonder boy getting a rematch with Woodley as champ in the near future if that fight was a draw.

Maybe he would be a little closer than he is right now, but I don't think by very much.

The fight was not entertaining at all.
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03-05-2017 , 04:09 AM
I would love to see wonderboy vs Lawler more than a woodley rematch vs either of them and really idgaf about the belt in any weight class anymore. At this point, in every weight class, the champ is either the MIA or very suspect as the representative best fighter, or in the one case with a dominant champ--Mighty Mouse--there is zero interesting competition. The UFC has managed to eliminate the opportunity for any interesting title matches that I can imagine at this point.
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03-05-2017 , 04:37 AM
Garbrandt against TJ or Cruz, Aldo-Holloway, Nunes-Shevchenko are all pretty solid.
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03-05-2017 , 04:46 AM
DC/Rumble with winner getting Bones as well

I think it is a little unfair to say Woodley isn't an entertaining fighter. The 1st WB fight was FOTN and was a very good fight. Before that he had the Lawler and Kim KO's. Rory Macdonald a very entertaining fighter and his fight with WB was pretty boring as well. Sometime guys just don't bring out the best in others in terms of the fight being entertaining.

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03-05-2017 , 05:27 AM
Woodley's exciting in spurts, but he just fights overly cautious. I think he's a smart fighter who thinks too much instead of letting things flow

I wouldnt call Rory entertaining. Most of his fights r grinding decisions. His entertaining fights were against guys who are impossible to be boring (Condit, Lawler) and forced the action
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03-05-2017 , 06:44 AM
Just finished watching, let me start of with Elkins, un-****ing-believable. During the fight I was thinking how on earth does he have a path to victory. I'm jokingly thinking well he's going to make Bektic tired by blocking all those punches with his face. Funnily enough that's exactly what happened.

I thought Bektic would of had more brains to do that to himself. Unreal and congrats to all who saw Elkins take this fight. Swoop got it right, did you analyse it that way too, with Bektic getting 1 and 2 then tiring? If so Elkins wins in 3rd should of been the play imo. Massive prop, i'd of thought.

Wonderboy v Woodley, most boring fight of the year, decade, century? Sure both have weapons blah blah. That's true for all fights, yet most fights both fighters engage and go to war. This was a pathetic fight imo, both way to tentative. Wonderboy got 3 rounds imo and when that 5th round happened I thought we might be looking at another draw.

All of Wonderboy's rounds are close rounds though, I really don't think he deserves to be the champion. Woodley put Lawler on his back, smacked him to sleep. If you want that belt you need to do something to earn it. Not just get 1 or 2 punches more per round. That said Woodley was so unimpressive too, but as he had the belt already, I guess it is still his. Where it the other way around, I'd of said the same, Woodley wouldn't of deserved the belt either.

I am thoroughly disappointed in Wonderboy, this was his fight to win. Woodley practically gave it to him, fighting way more careful, scared almost. He just did not take advantage of it at all. Clearly when Woodley took him down, he was gassed when back up to his feet. I mean anybody can spot that.? Hit the body, ffs, go for it, try to get that TKO, do fooking something!

Not only that but Wonderboy then get tagged in the 5th, I mean come the fook on now. You really just let that happen? You know he's coming swinging, he has to. He has not met you in the centre in all 4 previous rounds but know he's putting on pressure, actually chasing you. Now you suddenly stop running backwards like you have done every time he tries that silly 1-2-1 flurry?

Tyron attempts 1 measily take down.
Tyron get 1? heavy leg kick.
Tyron get 1 flurry 1-2 combo.

That's all folks 25 mins fight. Heck I could do that too!!!!! and not gas out, even though I'm way out of shape. Creme of the crop, best of the best. This was a sparring contest, not a real fight imo.

I thought Wonderboy had him figured out? Then why no inside leg kicks? Or very low leg kicks? Why no pressure? Why not back him up on the cage? We all know these are things that Woodley has no answer for, yet Wonderboy still being so tentative, it's pathetic!
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03-05-2017 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Two draws, I mean yes they'd go with another contender (Maia) in between if things were fair, but Wonderboy would still be number 1 contender by default and could get another shot with a win (ideally at someone else if Woodley loses the belt in his next defense)

Woodley is the least impressive UFC champion of all time and I will definitely be betting against him in his next title defense assuming it's Maia or GSP

I hope they scrap Maia vs Masvidal and set up Maia vs Woodley right now; yes the UFC doesn't want either as champ but get it out of the way with now while GSP is at MW for a fight and then you can have GSP fight the winner regardless of who it is regardless of whether he beats Bisping or not.

Put Lawler in against Masvidal for the shot after that, and give Wonderboy a rebuilding fight to get him a highlight reel KO and some confidence back, maybe a Matt Brown rematch to try and get that win back (plus the fight would be awesome with Brown's aggro style) or set up Wonderboy vs Lawler for the guaranteed fireworks if you're keeping Maia vs Masvidal and giving the winner of that the next shot at Woodley

As a fan rather than person who bet on the fight i'd much rather Wonderboy as champ because we've seen him in great fights and the four next contenders (GSP, Maia, Masvidal and Lawler) would all be great fights for him. Would anybody not LOVE to see Lawler vs Wonderboy?

I'm not excited to watch Woodley fight anyone, he hasn't had a good fight since... well does Lawler count where it was basically one punch? If not, then... I don't know, Marquardt in Strikeforce?

I agree Wonderboy's stock has gone way down as a result of the two Woodley fights though. After Rory I was convinced he'd dominate anyone other than maybe Maia or GSP.
Totally agree, I really don't want to see Woodley fight anymore. I'm shocked Wonderboy gets tagged and that he was so scared to engage with him.

Woodley makes fights boring, he's so tentative, sure he has that KO 1 shot but other than that he does nothing, but faint and back up.
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03-05-2017 , 08:41 AM
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Totally agree, I really don't want to see Woodley fight anymore. I'm shocked Wonderboy gets tagged and that he was so scared to engage with him.

Woodley makes fights boring, he's so tentative, sure he has that KO 1 shot but other than that he does nothing, but faint and back up.
Woodley is NOT holding that belt for long with the murderer's row awaiting him inside the Top 10.

Can't wait to see anyone relevant stomp him.
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03-05-2017 , 08:43 AM
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The Brunson Silva fight was much more of a robbery
No it wasn't.

Are you scoring the fight round by round? You can make a case Silva won 2 rounds but I can't see a real case that Woodley won 2 rounds here.

Its not the biggest robbery of all time, and a draw is a perfectly fine scorecard but if anyone won it's the guy who won 3 rounds.

We all lost as fans with how disappointing the fight was

Baffling how Wonderboy basically had him figured, out, gave up a takedown, still had him figured out and then... just stopped engaging in round 5 and ran away. If he continued what he'd been doing the whole fight he'd have won round 5 and the fight

It is a bit ridiculous though that if you entirely erase Woodley's flurry in r5 and knockdown, the judges STILL would have given him a split decision.

@SuperMario I expected the fight to be a close grind up against the cage etc, I didn't expect Elkins to finish, I just thought it'd be a close and grinding fight, Elkins might get a takedown if Bektic makes decisions plus he has a chance of a random sub or tko and I mean he was +525 or whatever at close and +450 when I took him, that's just too long for a fighter as good as Elkins unless you're fighting someone with no weaknesses like say Edgar or Aldo who is just better at everything. Bektic was still untested against elite level opponents, he still has a higher ceiling than Elkins but Elkins shouldn't be +450 against almost anyone at FW other than Aldo and Edgar and maybe Holloway although his wrestling is less proven than the other two.

Feels pretty unlucky that I only had a breakevenish card rather than a huge one due to the judges (clearly the sportsbooks thought it was 3-1 Wonderboy after 4 rounds given the live odds) but I at least think my analysis was generally good for the Wonderboy, Overeem and Elkins fights. Vannata really needs to work on his cardio and discipline, he should go to Elevation and train with TJ/Bang/etc in Colorado. It's not like he's with a bad camp either so idk what's going on there.

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03-05-2017 , 09:32 AM
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No it wasn't.

Are you scoring the fight round by round? You can make a case Silva won 2 rounds but I can't see a real case that Woodley won 2 rounds here.

Its not the biggest robbery of all time, and a draw is a perfectly fine scorecard but if anyone won it's the guy who won 3 rounds.

We all lost as fans with how disappointing the fight was

Baffling how Wonderboy basically had him figured, out, gave up a takedown, still had him figured out and then... just stopped engaging in round 5 and ran away. If he continued what he'd been doing the whole fight he'd have won round 5 and the fight

It is a bit ridiculous though that if you entirely erase Woodley's flurry in r5 and knockdown, the judges STILL would have given him a split decision.

@SuperMario I expected the fight to be a close grind up against the cage etc, I didn't expect Elkins to finish, I just thought it'd be a close and grinding fight, Elkins might get a takedown if Bektic makes decisions plus he has a chance of a random sub or tko and I mean he was +525 or whatever at close and +450 when I took him, that's just too long for a fighter as good as Elkins unless you're fighting someone with no weaknesses like say Edgar or Aldo who is just better at everything. Bektic was still untested against elite level opponents, he still has a higher ceiling than Elkins but Elkins shouldn't be +450 against almost anyone at FW other than Aldo and Edgar and maybe Holloway although his wrestling is less proven than the other two.

Feels pretty unlucky that I only had a breakevenish card rather than a huge one due to the judges (clearly the sportsbooks thought it was 3-1 Wonderboy after 4 rounds given the live odds) but I at least think my analysis was generally good for the Wonderboy, Overeem and Elkins fights. Vannata really needs to work on his cardio and discipline, he should go to Elevation and train with TJ/Bang/etc in Colorado. It's not like he's with a bad camp either so idk what's going on there.
So in your mind the first 2 rounds where wonderboy threw 14 strikes (as did woodley) and did not even connect clean with one of them once should be scored the same as the last round lol? Imo the first two rounds were so uneventful you might as well count them as 9-9
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