wow what an awesome fight.

This is a lot of equity now for MM to finish in r4/5 gl me 20+ units on the line

Maaaaaaaaaaan that was soooo close

Holy crap that was a lot of equity that didnt get there esp in r4

Slight loss for the card overall but got it in super good

I thought Elliott was going to tap to the modified rnc in r4 so close then all the kimura attempts etc

How the **** he didnt tap for the RNC and im amazed MM didnt wanted to stand up with Elliot, sucks lost like 5units

What a fight! I was so hoping that Elliott tired and DJ got a late round sub. Would have been a red panty night.

After the emotion has passed, I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on Hall/Maynard. Posts about changing the rules seems similar to the Hillary fans arguing against the Electoral College v. the popular vote after the fact.

Oh he just out struck his opponent taking little to no damage in the process...

Stfu.

This is mixed martial arts. Ryan Hall went for takedowns as soon as he felt Gray come too close. You're allowed to go for takedowns, just like someone's allowed to shoot in for a double. It's up to Gray to take advantage of failed takedown attempts, like attempt kicks, ground and pound etc. Also, if we look at fight metrics, Hall out-struck Maynard every round ( 46 vs 12 total strikes). Pretty clear win for Hall imo.

But the popular vote...

You don't realize he was robbed.

One of my first Saturdays off for a while but I fall asleep before the fights. LOL'ed at the way I won on this card after watching fights back toe injuries, point deductions ect. Was pretty heavy on benavidez but I don't think he won ..... had it 9-9, 10-9 cejudo, 10-9 jb n thought it was pretty straight forward. LOL at Maynard was robbed.

How likely do u guys think the mcgregor Woodley fight is to happen next? Because skybet has a "fights before end of 2017" section with woodley as an underdog and I would love to lock that in but don't want to tie up money in that for 1 year and the fight doesn't happen.

I would agree if he actually went for takedowns, but he often just dropped to the ground, wanting Gray to follow him, or just to avoid the stand up fight. It was a smart strategy, but it might be a bit of a loophole. Since when a fighter is on the ground, the other fighter on the feet can make him stand up if he chooses. Hall was just dropping to his back whenever Gray got close, then Gray let him stand up again or the referee made him stand up. This way he is kind of sabotaging the fight, or at least wont give Gray any chance to close the distance and fight in the pocket with him, since he would drop to his back all the time. Not sure what the rules are, can you just drop down to your back repeatedly? obviously if the other fighter wants you to stand up you have to stand up, but Hall was kind of masking well so it was not that obvious.

Lol that is bs, I don't remember maynard connecting with a single punch in the second or 3d round while he was getting clipped by head kicks multiple times, how are the judges supposed to declare maynard the winner??

Out struck are u counting those flops aso strikes ?

I just hope ufc changes the rules concerning downed opponents or they start taking away Points for excessive flopping

How much did you lose?

Current rules make it difficult to take advantage. Now if you could just stomp on someone when they decide to flop it would be a different story

It's MMA. Get someone to do those takedowns on someone like Maia and Jacare, and they would be quite happy to get top position in MMA. Hell, you don't need to be a top bjj player, just look how Saul Rogers in TUF neutralized Hall.

Sure, but flopping and takedowns are not the same, you cant just drop down to your back constantly, or can you? if your opponent wants you to stand up, I imagine your not allowed to flop constantly whenever he gets close. Sure some opponents would love it when a fighter flops, and they will happily follow and get in to his guard, but that's not the point.

I guess a rematch between Ryan Hall and Artem Lobev has to happen next year! I'm calling it as a split decision win for Artem already.

There's a difference between falling back on your guard and "semi" attempting a takedown and when it fails, get on your back. The latter is what Hall was doing. It was quite similar to the Overeem Werdum fight, and Overeem won that fight by actually winning some of the standup, which Maynard failed to do. Hall won't win with this style vs the top guys and we're going to see it when he faces them. If an opponent crowds you near the cage, an attempt to go for the legs is legit, even if you do it 100% of the time. It's up to the opponent to adjust to that, not rely on the referee to remove that part of the opponents game.

sorry guys for the random off topic but just want to compare notes,

winner poker,
sat at 25 to 30 rooms vs supposed random people with stacks between 250 and 400.

Every single one of them accepted my big blind, raised min amount (8) then sat out after I folded.


I've never seen any thing like this, if it was one in 3 or so doing it fair enough but it was straight 20 to 30 people doing it at 2/4.

I checked in with winner helpdesk who knew nothing about it, I then went back and spent another 25 minutes going through another 7 people who did the same thing.


which network is winner poker.

Its an ipoker skin

ipoker is notorious for bots but otherwise normal/reputable enough for a nonstars site

Do you mean everyone was raising your BB specifically? Were these HU cash games and they were grimmstarring you (stealing your blind then sit out, playing only 1 hand HU) or a 9 handed table or a satellite with people colluding or what be more specific i've tried a few times to figure out exactly what you're asking

I scored it 29-28 Maynard in real time due to cowardice/flopping from Hall, in hindsight I think I might have it 29-28 Hall but i'd need to rewatch, he did land more shots standing but the flopping/control aspect from Maynard even when Hall's lying on the ground with Maynard kicking his legs etc counts a bit in a fight where Maynard landed nothing big and Hall landed next to nothing damaging either other than one kick

Amusingly this was the first MMA fight i've watched with my future brother in law who is a casual MMA fan and i'm trying to get him into it a bit and the first fight we ever watch is Maynard vs Hall, lol 'what the **** is that Hall guy trying to do'