Just went through Cummings/Ponzi tape, anybody else throwing money at Cummings?

Ponzi is a ****ing killer, I have a 1u play on him @ -150

Yeah Ponzi ftw.

But I have been on the wrong end of so many fights lately that I'd probably fade anything I touch.

I see the ponzi fight as a flip so throwing a little bit cummings way. also leaning towards a camozzi bet.

Yeah like I said I think Latifi will probably run out of time.

Anderson is still young though so the jury is out for me - agree 100% that he doesn't have the skill set right now to be beating top guys, but he's still developing.

So much in that division depends on if/when Jones comes back. As it stands right now with Jones out, I expect Cormier to hold onto the belt until he decides to retire (which again, will be sooner rather than later), and then for Rumble to take the belt after that.

After getting killed on the last card by a few bettors that I know who bet draw props across the board and who cashed big on the Graves/Velokovic bout and with these new rule changes that will encourage more 10-8 rounds and therefore probably more draw results, 5Dimes already reacted swiftly and lowered the lines on draw props big time. Unlike the +16000 to +18000 lines we used to see, none of the draw props for the upcoming Salt Lake City main card bouts are over +10000. Huge difference!

Also, I'm pretty big on both Ponz as a small favorite at -150 and -140 and Camozzi as a moderate underdog at +165.

1.35u ponzi -150 if I could get camozzi at his best price I would but I think its moved too far now I'm thinking Rodriguez beats caceres but no value and moroz should win but too short as well nothing else standing out to me yet I'll take another look later

Corey Anderson, while he bears the first name of a creative fighter in Anderson Silva, has shown zero creativity himself. He fights as the stereotypical mediocre standup / above average wrestler who takes his opponents down when he can't beat them in the standup. That in itself will simply not do when he fights top 5-10 fighters who don't have the weakness of being taken down (like shogun). I think pretty much all of the current and previous champions have that extra creativity in their bag or are really really excellent in their trade (Aldo has one of the best mauy thai). Neither does he possess the extra athletic ability to explode like Woodley etc. So, in essence, I really don't see him beating top 5 fighters unless the division becomes completely drained.

So oddsmaker opened up a gsp woodley line.. is this type of speculation standard? lol or is this fight going down for sure.

Doubtful.

out of curiosity what is the line ? can't find it .

nvm found it through google. -150 from GSP is a joke. All things considered woodley should be the favorite but i understand why books made GSP the fav as the public will dump money on him if the fight ever happens. GSP has never fought anyone with the speed and athleticism of woodley combine that with 4 years of rust and u have the recipe for a KO.

yea I was a bit confused why they had him as the favorite.

for heavyweights what does everyone think of the that massive french guy? Huge black guy with massively long arms. francis ngannou. hes still like 25 or something and is a bit green but hes got some good boxing and hes absolutely huge for the division.

they still throwing him "cans" so to speak, heavyweight is one of the few places that still has cans in the UFC. I think he has really good potential rogan was just urging him/asking if he wants a top 10 heavyweight for his next fight. HW div needs more fresh blood.

Ngannou is a solid prospect but bring him up slowly give him a mitrione level guy next

Ìi think gsp might beat woodley for the belt and like him at evens but idk about at -150

Yeah that's pretty common, books will open lines on high profile rumoured fights from time to time, usually with massive vig and some kind of caveat like "action cancelled if fight doesn't happen before XYZ date". They just want people to get their money down now at bad prices while they're still excited by the idea of the fight.

I think N'gannou is probably the best prospect in the heavyweight division right now. He's developing very quickly, and I think there's a number of guys in the top 15 that he would absolutely wreck: Struve, Barnett, Nelson, Browne, Arlovski... very interested to see who they have him fight next.

At least 5Dimes puts an end date on the future bets. Don't get stuck like me at Bookmaker when I bet Conor over a year ago at -175 for $875 to win $500 vs Frankie Edgar with no end in sight on that still pending wager.

Yeah thats pretty absurd, maybe ask their support about what terms would lead to a push given Edgar will certainly not be fighting Conor in his next two fights and probably next three after the Aldo loss (Conor has Nate then Aldo then probably the LW champ or a LW #1 contender fight if he loses both somehow)

A question from my friend. I thought I'd quote him and get more answers here as it is an interesting one.

What do you guys think?

It's not possible.

Conor loses a RIDUCULOUS sum of money by losing to Diaz. It hurt his drawing power, killed his 2 belt dream for now and he has PPV points so he loses money on fighting Diaz again instead of a champ vs champ superfight plus all the endorsement money being a 2 division champ would bring. People don't buy Floyd's fights because they're exciting. It's because he talks trash and is unbeaten. The analogy here would be throwing the second Maidana fight to have a trilogy fight for the money instead of fighting Pacquiao. If Conor won he'd have had his pick of literally any fight he wanted at 145, 155 or 170 because he is the draw. The only reason he wants the rematch is because his drawing power takes a hit if he doesn't avenge the loss and prove it's a 'fluke'. If he loses this one his drawing power above 145 is temporarily dead and he'll probably need to fight a 145 for a while before even attempting 155 and will never be going back to 170

Also the UFC lost out on a Conor title shot at 155 or 170 (they still get one eventually but this fight would be for a title and even bigger) when he lost to Nate

If anyone would be taking a fall it would be Diaz from a business standpoint. It would be like fixing a fight where Floyd Mayweather loses the second fight to Maidana 'because a trilogy match is money' but removing the chance of the Paquiao fight in order to accommodate that, it makes no sense for anyone.

Not to mention if Conor loses the rematch here his drawing power takes another hit, i'm not sure he can draw 1m+ buys other than the Aldo rematch if he loses here in embarrassing fashion. This really is a must win fight for Conor now.

No it is not remotely possible Conor threw the fight deliberately. Especially because some of the shots he landed could have KO'd Diaz if things had fallen his way.

If you want examples of fights that could have been thrown by the losing fighter for money or whatever look at Shevchenko vs Nunes, Iuri Alcantara vs I forget who (the fight I described in this thread as feeling weird), Franklin vs Shamrock, I can't think of any others off the top of my head but there are more - note I don't think any of these fights were fixed, but if you were going to pick a fight that was Conor vs Nate is nearly last on the list

I think there's a 0% chance that he set out to lose that fight.

He'll use that first loss now to sell the second fight because that's the smart thing to do given that loss was a thing that happened. But I don't think it's worth more to him than just beating Diaz would have been.

does your friend also have questions about the moon landing?

Which of the following does your friend think 'did 9/11'

a) Bush and Cheney
b) 9/11 didn't happen it's just a mainstream media conspiracy
c) The Jews
d) JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS
e) It was a controlled demolition
e) BUT WHERE IS THE PLANE THAT HIT THE PENTAGON?

OMG I'M ONE OF THEM THERE ARE TWO E)s THE MATRIX IS GLITCHING