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07-17-2016 , 04:09 AM
Barring the main event that was quite possibly the worst event I have ever seen, I have seen better quality fighters at local mma shows than what was presented on last nights show.
That clown with the glasses, mvp? Give me a break.
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07-17-2016 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by westswindon
Barring the main event that was quite possibly the worst event I have ever seen, I have seen better quality fighters at local mma shows than what was presented on last nights show.
That clown with the glasses, mvp? Give me a break.
besides the walk out and post interview you didn't enjoy that fight?!
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07-17-2016 , 10:18 AM
2 units on Holly @-400, gonna add more as the week goes on but without review i don't see how Valentina has a chance at all.
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07-17-2016 , 12:01 PM
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besides the walk out and post interview you didn't enjoy that fight?!
Looking back, forgetting the fact that guy was a complete tool - yeah I guess the fight was pretty good.
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07-17-2016 , 05:04 PM
OUCH!! Santos has a fractured skull thanks to Michael Page.

http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Image-Cy...d-Skull-108197

No idea what Bellator contracts/salaries are like (do they not cover medical expenses!?) but nope, not worth it if you have the person who did that to you asking people on Twitter to donate to a GoFundMe.

https://twitter.com/Michaelpage247/s...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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07-17-2016 , 07:24 PM
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OUCH!! Santos has a fractured skull thanks to Michael Page.

http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Image-Cy...d-Skull-108197

No idea what Bellator contracts/salaries are like (do they not cover medical expenses!?) but nope, not worth it if you have the person who did that to you asking people on Twitter to donate to a GoFundMe.

https://twitter.com/Michaelpage247/s...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
nasty
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07-17-2016 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mxga917
2 units on Holly @-400, gonna add more as the week goes on but without review i don't see how Valentina has a chance at all.
I don't know enough about womens kickboxing to have an educated opinion but from what I can tell they have similar pedigree in stand up/striking. Holm seems much bigger but I'm not sure that she is that big a fav. She is still being valued off the Rousey fight. She out struck Tate but couldnt hold on there and would have fought to a draw if she survives 5th. Before that she had a split dec vs Pennington. 400 seems steep to me but GL
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07-17-2016 , 11:35 PM
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I don't know enough about womens kickboxing to have an educated opinion but from what I can tell they have similar pedigree in stand up/striking. GL
I'd have to strongly disagree with that, just wiki alone draws a clear line.
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07-17-2016 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mxga917
2 units on Holly @-400, gonna add more as the week goes on but without review i don't see how Valentina has a chance at all.
I agree. I can't decide what to bet on though, Holm ITD or Holm via Decision. I really think Holm's motivation to show the UFC and everyone she isn't a fluke after that bad beat vs Tate is key here.
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07-18-2016 , 07:28 AM
just saw the mvp cyborg fight. sure hope mvp didn't realize how badly santos was hurt.
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07-18-2016 , 07:29 AM
not sure if it's been discussed but ufc got sold
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07-18-2016 , 07:30 AM
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just saw the mvp cyborg fight. sure hope mvp didn't realize how badly santos was hurt.
It seems he didn't, after the fight he tweeted out cyborg's surgery gofundme.
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07-18-2016 , 07:42 AM
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It seems he didn't, after the fight he tweeted out cyborg's surgery gofundme.
yea he probably does deserve the benefit of the doubt. feel really bad for santos but i hope the incident doesn't lead to more regulation. i've seen more jumping knees over the years then i can count and never seen one cause that type of damage. my only guess is the fact that santos had his head down and he knee went str8 up with no forward trajectory greatly increased the impact. does bell not insure their fighters? that's pretty ****ing ghetto and cheap

Last edited by grumpy64; 07-18-2016 at 07:44 AM. Reason: to ask about bell's insurance policy
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07-18-2016 , 08:23 AM
looks like my plans to make many ufc monies betting against conor just went down the ****ter http://www.ibtimes.com/ufc-200-conor...ponent-2356743
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07-18-2016 , 09:16 AM
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looks like my plans to make many ufc monies betting against conor just went down the ****ter http://www.ibtimes.com/ufc-200-conor...ponent-2356743


Take a closer look at that article
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07-18-2016 , 09:43 AM
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Take a closer look at that article
Will do i kinda just skimmed it
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07-18-2016 , 12:28 PM
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2 units on Holly @-400, gonna add more as the week goes on but without review i don't see how Valentina has a chance at all.
Like the Casey fight last week, I haven't gone back and reviewed tape from outside the UFC. But...

To me Shevchenko's huge, glaring weakness seems to be off her back. Nunes mauled her there for two rounds, and Kaufmann took a round off her there too. She doesn't have the tools to get back up or even control her opponent's posture.

Is Holm really going to take her down though? Seems unlikely.

That leaves a stand up fight. Holm is a dedicated outfighter, great footwork, she's good at maintaining her preferred distance, she's got the height and reach advantage here and she throws decent volume when she's not worried about takedowns. And she's obviously got outstanding coaching. She's favourite for a reason.

I can see ways this won't go all Holm's way though. Shevchenko is a beast in the clinch if she can get the fight there. And she keeps a light front leg, so Holm's low-line/oblique kicks may not be as effective as they are against opponents who plant all their weight there. She's got cardio for days, so I wouldn't be surprised to see her match Holm in that regard for five rounds.

I expect Holm to win but I wouldn't be surprised to see Shevchenko take a round or two if she can get the clinch. -400 for Holm feels pretty steep to me.

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I agree. I can't decide what to bet on though, Holm ITD or Holm via Decision. I really think Holm's motivation to show the UFC and everyone she isn't a fluke after that bad beat vs Tate is key here.
Holm decision is probably decent value at the -108ish I'm seeing? She doesn't actually throw with that much power, her knockouts have tended to come when opponents have been dumb enough to walk into / duck onto her head kicks.

I'd be surprised if a striker as experienced as Shevchenko fell for that. KO is only paying around +180 and I don't see her getting the knockout even 1/3 times, even in a five round fight.
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07-18-2016 , 01:03 PM
HH/Shev. IMO the best play is the over. I have a little bit on HH by decision at plus money but I would not pay the juice for that. The over 4.5 is around -170 which is a great price as this almost certainly hits the cards.

The is going to be a standup pointfest and while I favour HH I think Shev could pull of a split dec.
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07-18-2016 , 05:51 PM
I bet the over 4½ for Holm/Shevchenko at -165 to win 1u as well as Holm by 5 round decision at +120 for 2u to win 2.4u hedged with Shevchenko wins by split/majority decision at +1000 for .25u to win 2.5u.
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07-18-2016 , 10:02 PM
Shevchenko was on the MMA Hour today: http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/18...ewis-valentina

Mostly PR guff but when asked about specifics for the fight she doesn't sound like she's going in with any real game plan... instead she just talks about being a "complete MMA fighter" (which she clearly isn't, unless she's magically become a wrestling and BJJ stud since the Nunes fight) and "making the most of her skills" blah blah blah. It's possible she really thinks she's gonna win with a random spinning backfist KO or something.

That might work on lesser fighters and I'd pick her to crush pretty much everyone below her in the rankings right now. But I don't see it working against Holm, who probably only has to shuck off clinch attempts to cruise to a decision here. And you know Mike Winklejohn will have come up with a plan to do exactly that.

-400 still feels a little steep to me, but maybe not THAT steep...
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07-19-2016 , 06:57 AM
Seeing -350 on Holm now and +100 for decision.
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07-19-2016 , 07:53 AM
https://youtu.be/9WfmT6jHV9Q

Cruz seems to want Aldo if Conor's not fighting him next. Open to Mighty Mouse, thinks TJ rematch won't sell.

People might claim he's ducking TJ... but if he wants to fight Aldo or Conor instead those would be even harder fights. I'd love to see if Cruz can do to Aldo what Edgar couldn't and outstrike him with his movement... would be a crazy fight. The size and power difference might be too much but Cruz is even faster than Edgar... he's need to pack on a little bit of muscle to go to 145 though as Aldo might just be too big for him and Conor is huge by comparison (although against Conor, Cruz could look to mix in takedowns which

Cruz isn't going to get the Conor fight any time soon but i'd love to see it one day. If Conor isn't fighting Aldo next at 145 I want them to make Cruz vs Aldo for the 145 belt - MM would be fine for the 135 belt too, TJ does deserve another shot at Cruz so i'm fine with that too but there are other fights I want more. Garbrandt would be fun too but he doesn't have the name value yet he needs to fight Caraway or TJ first imo for a shot. I'd be fine with Faber vs TJ in a grudge match/keep busy fight for TJ and to get him a 2 fight win streak before his rematch and they could do Cruz vs Garbrandt to keep his TAM killer thing going or a superfight in the meantime. If they don't pull the trigger on TJ vs Faber now they never will and while it should be a free win for TJ people still want to see it due to their rivalry
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07-19-2016 , 08:52 PM
I don't think he's ducking TJ- TJ should obviously fight Urijah next anyway- and why not try for a superfight when both champs are unbooked? If he doesn't fight TJ after that (barring becoming champ at 145 or a rematch somehow), then I'll change my tune.
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07-19-2016 , 09:25 PM
I atypically bit on a fairly heavy favorite SU in Holm at -300 to win 2u. She's much bigger than Shevchenko not going to get outmuscled by her in the clinch or outwrestled by her. I see Holly winning this by clear decision.
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