On a side note I never win when I bet against werdum

interesting note about how long should cain have been there to properly get ready.


this is for running.

Optimal Race Performance at High Altitude

If you live at sea level and have a race at high altitude, you should train at high altitude for at least two weeks, though preferably three to six weeks, before your competition. Dehydration and acute altitude sickness symptoms are more likely to occur within the first one to two weeks of altitude exposure, and will likely worsen race performance. However, since these symptoms often take 24 to 48 hours to develop, you may also wish to race within 24 hours of your arrival at altitude. Although you will not acclimate to the altitude during this short time frame, you likely will avoid the physical symptoms of altitude exposure


Fair to say that MMA is more demanding than running so add a week, so between 4 and 7 weeks?

Cain looked awful. Rematch at sea level please. And + odds please. Would love to bet Velasquez with american oxygen.

2015 total: -28u

Diana should get this guy into a gym imo



guy is a bit special obviously

Disagreeing ≠ troll, FFS. Redefine the term to yourself please. I could call you a troll for making a point I disagree with also, but neither of us are trolling here.

That wasn't my point and not what I said. I said he wasn't following him to the ground but for a reason other than the timing of who will gas first.



I never disagreed with you nor said it was a fluke. I was just adding to the point that Werdum's clinch is hella underrated and he's pulled it off against stand up specialist who are taller than him too.



There's nothing to really disagree with here. Except Penn is not nearly the same kind of threat from his back that Werdum is, ya he's really flexible but he's also notoriously lazy and is a front runner in fights. Werdum is unlike any other fighter other than (and to a lesser degree) Jacare w/ his combo of BJJ and standup (esp power in his standup for a BJJ player)

Basically taking Werdum down never should've been/or wasn't a part of his strategy unless he was inches from being done, not just gassed.

Regardless, there now we can be friends again.

To add to my point;

It's not like Anderson wasn't pretty damn gassed when he pulled off the triangle against Chael in the 5th round.

Cain's low fight IQ and poor defense really got exposed last night. When he was younger and less battle worn he could just eat shots and barrel through his opponents, but the layoff plus altitude plus injuries plus a very game Werdum really showed that Cain can't have his way any more. He really needs to find a way to be a successful in-fighter without getting hit so much in the head. Cain's fighting and training style are not conducive to longevity in this sport. He's still a top fighter, but I doubt we'll ever see him be dominant again.

Pretty much captures the essence of the fight last night, though I see him having much more success on lower altitudes. He's so used to just throwing lot of volume and gassing the other fighter, this time, he threw a lot, but he didn't hurt the other fighter that much and in expense, gassed himself.

Kongo rang that bell many times in their fight too.

I think it was a perfect storm tho and a fight in Vegas (nary the altitude and no mo ring rust - barring he doesn't go back to his injured ways vis a vis training) will be much more indicative of how they truly measure up to each other.

Plz plz plz don't have it in Brazil, I want to see them scrap w/o any other variables.

It might end up where Cain>JDS>Werdum>Cain. Epitome of styles make fights.

That's what I was thinking.

I'd prbly feed Rothwell to Stipe. Rothwell shouldn't ever fight for the title unless they are in desperation mode and people are dropping out from fights.
He's the HW version of Chris Cariaso. No one gives a **** or thinks he's world class. Plus, Stipe needs another decent win after his great showing but ultimate loss to JDS. Could be moot anyways bc I think those 3 may be in a UFC love triangle for awhile, if Cain can make it to fight days.

Happiest man last night other than Werdum shoulda been JDS.



Relevant again, hoo ray!

JDS will starch werdum again

Def. Vegas is the spot for a rematch should it occur. And there will be legitimate interest as many dismissed Werdum going into this fight. Come rematch no one will blindly think that anymore.

I think you're right that we could end up with a triangle on who's the best if the UFC plays it that way... but I think Stiopic or even Arlovski might jump into the mix to break up those rematches.

JDS vs. Werdum makes a lot of sense and so does Cain vs. Werdum without altitude. Business wise it's a bit of a wash as if JDS no one wants to see Cain vs. JDS and if they do Cain vs. Werdum and Cain wins no one wants to see JDS get another shot.

If not them, someone will but it might not have been the originally announced fight which leads to my 2nd point;

I also don't think they'll schedule an immediate rematch due to Cain's propensity for getting hurt pre-fight in training. You wanna hype Werdum/JDS not make it feel like a consolation because Cain got hurt.

If JDS beats Werdum and Cain wins his rebound fight that'll easily sell bc the inherent recency bias and the ignorant logic of JDS beating the guy that beat Cain means it's his fight to lose. He's even beat him before!

The focus regarding Cain will be to explain away Mexico City. The high-light promo trailers won't show much significant of their 3 fights but you can bet the apex will be JDS KOing Cain.

JDS is the no-brainer, but if you're ever planning to give Arlovski a shot, I'd get that done before a rematch since he really can't be any hotter coming off that round of the year candidate and he could lose to anybody on the roster.

Ya I understand the opportunistic angle of it

But does Werdum/Arlovski sell?

I guess it makes sense in Brazil as a relatively throw away card. HW champ fights shouldn't ever be throwaways if there are better options tho. You could match up JDS w/ Overreem and give Cain Hunt and prolong everything one fight.

I can't really see Arl being a real threat to cain jds or werdum, but I think you could hype a fight between him and any of those guys as he's pretty hot right now. Personally I still feel cain is the best and will beat werdum when they fight at sea level. Unless the fight is in Brazil.

Guilherme Cruz ‏@guicruzzz
Max Holloway vs. Charles Oliveira headlines UFC Fight Night card in Canada

Aug. 23

It's funny that Werdum was an underdog in his rematch with Gonzaga (and TKO'd him again), then he was an underdog against Brandon Vera (and TKO'd him).

Then in his next fight he closed at -800 against JDS. He got KO'd and the UFC cut him!

On Kimbo at -210 for 5 units. Kens old, broke and in this for the paycheck plus there is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUB9-AclMKc

I think Shamrock hits the deck at the earliest opportunity

It was due to $, not merit based

Look at his body then compared to now.



I don't think he's taking a dive this time.

Already seen this picture and I still think Shamrock looks for a way out after eating a shot. He knows how to promote a fight coming from pro wrestling and looks great in that picture but I think Kimbo should be -500 here. Kimbo might not be a world beater but he has faced far better opposition in the last 10 years, Houston Alexander and James Thompson would both crush Shamrock and he's been active in boxing even if just beating cans.

Also Shamrocks loss to Franklin looked really suspect too along with the dive against Berry, wouldn't be surprised if old Kenneth has a few quid on Kimbo this time.

i can't imagine betting that fight.

who knows what might happen- that's like betting a bob sapp fight or somebody else that may just drop out for a paycheck.

kimbo doesn't haven much going forward for himself, who knows if he taps out if he gets taken down at some point.

i wouldn't touch a sideshow fight.

Id probably bet Shamrock if I didn't expect him to throw the fight a significant percentage of the time

14-11+6.246
Aldo-114 2 units