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05-25-2015 , 11:49 AM
I doubt he would have opened as that vs Hendricks. I just don't think his wrestling is strong enough.
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05-25-2015 , 12:36 PM
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So ufc has turned into wwe where we give title fights to the people with the best mic skills ?
It's always been a combination of being able to promote a fight and earning it, sometimes it's been more of one or the other.
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05-25-2015 , 12:36 PM
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So ufc has turned into wwe where we give title fights to the people with the best mic skills ?
It's an entertainment business. Fights that generate more money jump the line. Pretty simple.

You think Diaz deserved a shot vs GSP coming off a loss? Edgar should've always been next up but that's just bad business. Conor on his own will attract a ton of ppv buys.
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05-25-2015 , 12:54 PM
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When was the last time you guys seen a challenger open as a -200 favorite for the belt?

That just shows just how good Rory Macdonald is.
Jones-Shogun was about that. GSP-Serra 2 obv.
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05-25-2015 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
It's always been a combination of being able to promote a fight and earning it, sometimes it's been more of one or the other.
This is the right balance. My heart wishes it was purely off of skill and wins/losses but the my head knows it's also a business and without good promoting the UFC doesn't make money and without money there is no UFC.
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05-25-2015 , 04:30 PM
Ya I think Jones was north of -200
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05-25-2015 , 06:34 PM
I'm not too sure what to make of DC seeming to think he's the big dog now despite the fact he only got there because Jones screwed himself over. I totally understand that he should take full advantage of the situation but calling Jones out straight away as if he has any business facing him again just makes me roll my eyes.

He did look fantastic against Rumble though, I'd have no issue with any of this if he didn't look so poor against Jones.

Haven't worded this very well but I'm sure you get what I mean.
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05-25-2015 , 07:05 PM
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I'm not too sure what to make of DC seeming to think he's the big dog now despite the fact he only got there because Jones screwed himself over. I totally understand that he should take full advantage of the situation but calling Jones out straight away as if he has any business facing him again just makes me roll my eyes.

He did look fantastic against Rumble though, I'd have no issue with any of this if he didn't look so poor against Jones.

Haven't worded this very well but I'm sure you get what I mean.
Dunno what fight u watched but DC did not get rolled over by Jones. It was a close fight for all 5 rounds imo. Jones did just enough to clearly edge out 4 rds. Rumble woulda crumbled within 2 rds vs Jones. Only other contender for Jones is Gustafsson..

Also, DC never claimed to be the big dog. He admitted Jones is better but that he is the rightful champion as of now. Matter of fact is he is clearly ahead of everybody else in the division besides Jones.
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05-26-2015 , 12:59 AM
Aldo is at -110 right now, does mcgregor really pose that much of a threat?
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05-26-2015 , 01:48 AM
Most people like Aldo but i'm not so sure. I think McGregor can win, but only if his striking and TDD are as good as the hype suggests and also it'll help if Aldo has been juicing and can't for this fight due to NSAC regulations (seems likely if the ran from a test rumours are true changing the venue of the Mendes 2 fight with an injury the day he finds out he'll be tested)

Logically I should be on Aldo, but I can't help but feel like McGregor's going to somehow KO him and the hype is real
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05-26-2015 , 02:37 PM
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More like a ****ing robbery. I had 7k on Dirrell split between straight up and by dec and I forgot to watch the damn fight :\

Given that I didn't watch it (thought it was later and eurovision made me miss it), I'm being a bit facetious there, but the majority of people seem to have given it to Dirrell saying he basically took control in the 2nd part of the fight. DeGale obv "won" on the basis of the 2 knockdowns he had tho, sigh.. I was waiting for a hometown Haymon type decision at least here with Dirrell winning, but guess that doesn't happen when I bet. Still came out in the black for the night at least.

Post Fight James DeGale v. Andre Dirrell

Cliffs
- Was a master class of timing and spacing.
- People are fooling themselves if they think it was close.
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05-26-2015 , 02:44 PM
I don't think it was a robbery but it is unanimously considered a close fight.

Dwyer is interesting though. Also often wrong.
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05-26-2015 , 02:53 PM
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but calling Jones out straight away as if he has any business facing him again just makes me roll my eyes.
It'd be awkard if he didn't, everyone knows Jones is the real champ, and the best way for DC to redeem himself is to win over Jones. I mean, he could get 5 title defenses, and it would always be there, "yeah but Jones beat you". I think everyone actually anticipated, either man, would call out Jones.
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05-26-2015 , 06:03 PM
does alves pose any threat to condit seems low at -250 allin
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05-26-2015 , 06:42 PM
I myself am a believer of the hype, unfortunately due to all this attention around Mcgreggor his line has drastically shifted, he opened up around 2-1 underdog right? The line right now at Bellagio is -140 on Connor... ****
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05-26-2015 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PiercE
he opened up around 2-1 underdog right?
If I am reading it right, it looks like it opened at -192/+158.

https://www.bestfightodds.com/events...s-mcgregor-942
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05-26-2015 , 08:29 PM
I was thinking about fights I lost a lot of $ on, and just remembered Miocic vs. Struve. I always liked Miocic, and bet him every single fight except vs. JDS, including when he was a dog to Roy Nelson (lol). Still, the Struve fight was the biggest bet I made on him (subsequently recovered in his other fights), cause I thought like -175 or w.e. he was was a steal, and was wondering how in the world did he lose that?

That fight was just so strange, sure Miocic was much more green back then, but I mean just next fight he put a striking clinic on Nelson. He was working the body well, but somehow Struve was not phased and was using his jab effectively and managed to hurt him somehow and finish him off. He was also really scared of the ground (Struve is not that good vs non scrubs imo) and had some successful gnp but he backed off even though the td he attempted came really easy and he made no further attempts even when struggling on the feet.

Eh, just a random thought, still can't make sense of this fight. I guess it was more of an off night for Miocic vs. an on point Struve that was somehow using distance well.
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05-26-2015 , 10:36 PM
Struve pre-heart condition was a legit top 15 HW; current Struve not so much, it sucks because he's my favourite HW but his body has let him down and more recently probably his mindset as well
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05-26-2015 , 10:37 PM
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I myself am a believer of the hype, unfortunately due to all this attention around Mcgreggor his line has drastically shifted, he opened up around 2-1 underdog right? The line right now at Bellagio is -140 on Connor... ****
Holy **** really? I can get conor at + money for my entire Pinnacle balance before I come to Vegas to arb with cash if thats the case a few days from now, do you mind keeping me posted? Conor is still +110 online and i'm heading to Vegas on Sunday
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05-26-2015 , 10:41 PM
I'll be there fri, can check lines for you
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05-26-2015 , 10:50 PM
Any one else gut tell them Conor McGregor wins?

Just feels right when I think about betting Conor, not one blemsh of cold in my guts at all.

I think this might even be an easy fight for Conor.

If we look at aldo.

Last two fights went the distance.
Chad Mendes
Ricardo Lamas

Chan Sung Jung went to the forth.
Frankie Edgar
two fights back before that first 1st rd win over chad mendes.
Kenny Florian, decision again
and then Mark Hominick, again decision, all the way back in 2011..


Aldo is going to be getting in there with seriously special fighter and to get +110 on Conor.


I am going to lumping £500 on conor, Aldo ant no way in hell KO'ing Conor, and if the fight is on the feet I give conor a slight advantage.

Also out of the two fighters conor is slightly larger?
Not that, that means any thing.


And again this is another fight in which I cant look back and think to myself, I knew this, I felt this, I thought this, others in the mma thread also felt it was a reasonable bet,
and not bet it.

I am def taking some conor @ +110

Conor looks like the champion, he is ferocious, I cant see him being denied.

Conor is like bruce lee in work ethic and his presence is impressive, he is a dominate fighter in the ring.


Question to others.
Should conor be being put up for a tittle shot so early, what I mean to say is, shouldn't be get a few more top ten fights to really get his timings and adjustments for the truly world class fighter.

?
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05-26-2015 , 11:15 PM
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I'll be there fri, can check lines for you
Thanks, if it's a free money arb may as well lock it in and freeroll a unit or two bet on Conor or Aldo (thinking i'll freeroll on Conor since i'd prefer to cheer for him live)
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05-26-2015 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Balla Shusher
Any one else gut tell them Conor McGregor wins?

Just feels right when I think about betting Conor, not one blemsh of cold in my guts at all.

I think this might even be an easy fight for Conor.

If we look at aldo.

Last two fights went the distance.
Chad Mendes
Ricardo Lamas

Chan Sung Jung went to the forth.
Frankie Edgar
two fights back before that first 1st rd win over chad mendes.
Kenny Florian, decision again
and then Mark Hominick, again decision, all the way back in 2011..


Aldo is going to be getting in there with seriously special fighter and to get +110 on Conor.


I am going to lumping £500 on conor, Aldo ant no way in hell KO'ing Conor, and if the fight is on the feet I give conor a slight advantage.

Also out of the two fighters conor is slightly larger?
Not that, that means any thing.


And again this is another fight in which I cant look back and think to myself, I knew this, I felt this, I thought this, others in the mma thread also felt it was a reasonable bet,
and not bet it.

I am def taking some conor @ +110

Conor looks like the champion, he is ferocious, I cant see him being denied.

Conor is like bruce lee in work ethic and his presence is impressive, he is a dominate fighter in the ring.


Question to others.
Should conor be being put up for a tittle shot so early, what I mean to say is, shouldn't be get a few more top ten fights to really get his timings and adjustments for the truly world class fighter.

?
Is this a troll post?

Connors last fight was with siver and he got leg kicked 15 times.....

The reason Connor hasn't had to fight Edgar or Mendes on the way up is both would have beaten him.

He might win (this is MMA) however he shouldn't win.... +110 on conner is a terrible bet.
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05-27-2015 , 01:18 AM
I do feel like Conor beats Aldo more often than Edgar and Mendes though because of the matchup; Aldo's ego will allow him to stand with Conor and his offensive wrestling isn't quite as good as Edgar and Mendes (although his standup is slightly better)

I feel like if Conor gets into Aldo's head and makes him want to play Conor's game that could go well for Conor

That said, Aldo is clearly on another level to anyone Conor has faced and should objectively be the favourite, I just have this weird feeling Conor may get it done.

Conor's striking is better than anyone's that Aldo has faced though, Mendes and Egdar being close, but neither of them have quite as much power/size as Conor does
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05-27-2015 , 03:26 AM
At this point hasn't all the value been sucked out of conor?
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