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12-07-2014 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by elliot10181
hmm not so sure, you likely should re-watch also if you though pettis was easily winning and you had money on him
Pettis was losing both rounds, but he was starting to land big shots. It was becoming more and more obvious every minute that Gil wasn't going to be able to keep that game plan going for another 3.5 rounds. Was a matter of time if he didn't adjust.
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12-07-2014 , 01:53 AM
i think i have said this in another fight(cant remem which off hand), but what are the chances one of those old ass dinosaur judges scored the fight under the wrong name, as i just dont see how its possible to give lawlor rnds 2 or 3, and i def could see 49-46 hendricks even tho i had it 48-47 hendricks
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12-07-2014 , 01:54 AM
He rocked him 3x in the second. I mean do you really think Gil was seeing the final bell the way that was going lol ya he had a good first but there's four more rounds. Reminded me of Condit/Kampmann, looked pretty clear Kampmann was gonna be finished after while because it was pretty clear that wasn't gonna work for him over the long haul.
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12-07-2014 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by yoyobo
It was like 1 minute. He came out took it to Hendricks for 60 seconds, then Hendricks took over. Think he pretty clearly stole that round back.
By landing what though? Sure he landed more weak shots/leg kicks, but nothing that actually did damage like the knees to the body that had Hendricks hurt.
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12-07-2014 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mossified84
i think i have said this in another fight(cant remem which off hand), but what are the chances one of those old ass dinosaur judges scored the fight under the wrong name, as i just dont see how its possible to give lawlor rnds 2 or 3, and i def could see 49-46 hendricks even tho i had it 48-47 hendricks
The sick part is that probably isn't what happened at all. Someone somehow decided that Lawler won a round that he threw like 4 punches in.

Was Sal'D judging that fight? Would be willing to bet it was him lol.
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12-07-2014 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mossified84
i think i have said this in another fight(cant remem which off hand), but what are the chances one of those old ass dinosaur judges scored the fight under the wrong name, as i just dont see how its possible to give lawlor rnds 2 or 3, and i def could see 49-46 hendricks even tho i had it 48-47 hendricks
Honestly this is actually possible and I thought that too. As soon as I heard 49-46 I thought sigh that judge gave 1 and 4 to Hendricks.

There is literally no way anyone even with no MMA knowledge could score r5 for Henricks or r2/3 for Lawler.

We'll know if it was the case obviously when cards get released if Hendricks wins r5 lol

I mean here on the forum some of us disagree about some rounds, but literally no one here makes errors as egregious as the judges whose sole job is to score the fight
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12-07-2014 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by yoyobo
The sick part is that probably isn't what happened at all. Someone somehow decided that Lawler won a round that he threw like 4 punches in.

Was Sal'D judging that fight? Would be willing to bet it was him lol.
lol ya, just so hard to believe some1 could give lawlor either of those rounds

haha actually sal was the only one who got it right glen trowbridge gave lawler round 2
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12-07-2014 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by just_mo
He rocked him 3x in the second. I mean do you really think Gil was seeing the final bell the way that was going lol ya he had a good first but there's four more rounds. Reminded me of Condit/Kampmann, looked pretty clear Kampmann was gonna be finished after while because it was pretty clear that wasn't gonna work for him over the long haul.

Gill was also continually smashing his body and taking him down. Do you think pettis's cardio would have continued over the following rounds?

Missing that guillotine and being on the bottom for that round easily could have been the key point in that fight
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12-07-2014 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
By landing what though? Sure he landed more weak shots/leg kicks, but nothing that actually did damage like the knees to the body that had Hendricks hurt.
It's not like Robbie dropped him or anything. He landed some good shots. Some great shots. However then he got dominated for 4 minutes. Hendricks completely out landed him for the rest of that round, controlled him against the fence and landed a takedown. Damage is not the only criteria for judging a round.
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12-07-2014 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by elliot10181
Gill was also continually smashing his body and taking him down. Do you think pettis's cardio would have continued over the following rounds?

Missing that guillotine and being on the bottom for that round easily could have been the key point in that fight
The guillotine was set up by tagging him on the feet and forcing a sloppy shot in which he left his head right out in the air. Considering where they were both positioned when Pettis went for it, it wasn't even that high risk. When he got a hold of the neck from there he finishes over 80% of the time he falls back.
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12-07-2014 , 02:07 AM
I mean when you hear 49-46 for the last judge I think at this point you figure there's less than 1/100k chance that Lawler ends up being the winner. It prob surpasses the 50-45 Edgar score in the first Penn fight in terms of wtf.
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12-07-2014 , 02:12 AM
Disagree a guillotine is ever 80% from that setup

According to fighternomics it has only a 14% finish rate in UFC fights. Even from a position like that (where it obviously has a better chance)it's still a huge risk.
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12-07-2014 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by elliot10181
Gill was also continually smashing his body and taking him down. Do you think pettis's cardio would have continued over the following rounds?

Missing that guillotine and being on the bottom for that round easily could have been the key point in that fight
lol I can't do this any more. You're clearly on another planet about that fight for some reason, Pettis would be -300 tomorrow.
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12-07-2014 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by just_mo
lol I can't do this any more. You're clearly on another planet about that fight for some reason, Pettis would be -300 tomorrow.
Did you notice pettis was losing both rounds until the finish?

No way Pettis is near -300 tomorrow.

I'm happy to watch again but you should to
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12-07-2014 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by elliot10181
Disagree a guillotine is ever 80% from that setup

According to fighternomics it has only a 14% finish rate in UFC fights. Even from a position like that (where it obviously has a better chance)it's still a huge risk.
From that position, once you get the grip it's pretty much over. Don't think you could call that lucky or gambling. It's generally much lower because people are going for it while guys are attacking takedowns, are against the cage or in transition. He caught Gil sleeping head in the air on his knees with no forward motion.
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12-07-2014 , 02:20 AM
Either way I ended with a nice profit. Going 3/3 on my big plays and 1/3 on my smaller ones, as well as shipping some kountermove heads up matches. Making +13ish units.

Hopefully Hendricks gets a rematch (even though I'm not sure how I can get pumped for it). Also hope Rivera can win an appeal and get his fight to a NC. He was well on his way to the biggest win of his career. That loss should go.

Overall a pretty great card. Really delivered.
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12-07-2014 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
gl on this, on merit I think you win. Not on the main card though and it was a sloppy brawl but it was probably the most entertaining fight that didn't end quickly

I hope Pennington, Duffee and Samman all get bonuses. I guess Ferguson/Trujillo could get FOTN too but i'd give it to White/Collard probably
Pettis/Hobar got FOTN, but I actually hit a much better prop in Pennington wins Fastest Submission at +3000, $10 for $300. Unfortunately I lost my ass tonight on the main event decision.
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12-07-2014 , 02:40 AM
49/46 was insane. Had 1 and 5 for Lawler, 2 and 3 for Hendricks. 4th round was a tossup. Happy Robbie won though
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12-07-2014 , 02:44 AM
I ended up winning about 7u for the card. Pretty nice considering I was stuck around 3-4u early when AES got choked out but I went 5/5 on the main card. 6/6 actually if you include hitting both the under and pettis on that fight. Went 3/4 on major bets, won on Lawler, Schaub/Browne under and Ferguson and lost on AES
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12-07-2014 , 02:50 AM


Odds on being senile?
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12-07-2014 , 04:56 AM
lol losing both rounds. He rocked him 3x in the second. Clearly winning that round. I mean come on man.
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12-07-2014 , 07:32 AM
Initially I thought Hendricks won (rooted for Lawler though and really happy he got that belt, makes his career go from a dangerous mid-contender who never really could reach that top level, to making it and will be remembered as one of the best fighters, ldo not p4p but in the same division as the likes of Noguiera etc). R1 and R4 were the only close rounds and it could go either way. Hendricks threw more in the 4th round, but Lawler finished strong in the last 1.5 min or so. Definitely not a robbery either way imo, though it seems all media scored it for Hendricks, which makes me doubt myself a bit.

Pettis didn't gamble with the choke as much as some seem to think. He had rocked Gil pretty badly before going for it, and he had enough momentum to turn him over, that even if Gil pops out Pettis can get back up. Gil did a good job, but he got too aggressive, and you could hear his corner say don't chase him Gil, which he unfortunately did. Problem is, Pettis is one of those accurate striker who makes each shot count, and it's hard to go 5 rounds with him in the pocket as Gil tried to do. I definitely think after first round, Gil should have switched it up and setup his takedowns and wall n stall moments, but now he pretty much employed the Diego Sanchez style trying to chase down Pettis and brawl with him.
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12-07-2014 , 09:14 AM
Pettis was clearly winning 2nd round. I think Gil won 1st, but for example bloody elbow had it as tie
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12-07-2014 , 12:44 PM
Seems pretty unlikely that I'm right and everyone else is wrong. Bet must have biased me more than I though

Edit: that being said just watched it again and he certainly wasn't rocked 3 times and kept the pressure on all round.

Video below ( I'm likely scoring it wrong but still like Gill there before finish)

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/Antho...6709?from=main

Last edited by elliot10181; 12-07-2014 at 12:50 PM.
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