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11-09-2014 , 08:19 AM
wtf if you beat Shogun you don't call out Perosh (who does have a winning record in the UFC but clearly isnt top 15) or Maldonado (ranked 15th but actually more like 20 imo)

He should be calling out Phil Davis, Hendo, or Glover if he actually wants to move up in the rankings with a win
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11-09-2014 , 08:33 AM
After he beats Perosh/Maldonado he'l probably call Keith Jardine or Ken Shamrock out of retirement for a "superfight" keep making that easy money.
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11-09-2014 , 02:22 PM
How did anyone watch this crappy ufc card over Hopkins/Kovalev? I had both streams up and was only occasionally glancing over in between rounds (even on fights I bet on). Even if you're not a fan of boxing it would be insane picking a crappy fight night over that.

Had ufc on mute as the fight ended and was listening to the post fight interviews and then glance over to see Shogun laid out lol. Wanted to bet OSP but Shogun scared me by looking his best since his pride days at the weigh ins :\
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11-09-2014 , 03:22 PM
OSP WOAT post fight IQ, hope Shogun moves down or hangs it up.
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11-09-2014 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LasFuentes
How did anyone watch this crappy ufc card over Hopkins/Kovalev? I had both streams up and was only occasionally glancing over in between rounds (even on fights I bet on). Even if you're not a fan of boxing it would be insane picking a crappy fight night over that.

Had ufc on mute as the fight ended and was listening to the post fight interviews and then glance over to see Shogun laid out lol. Wanted to bet OSP but Shogun scared me by looking his best since his pride days at the weigh ins :\
I have it on DVR to watch later but didn't the Hopkins/Kovalev fight go the distance to a one sided unanimous decision? I like boxing enough, but I don't know how that is more exciting than the UFC card last night with a whole bunch of fights.
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11-09-2014 , 06:10 PM
Anyone else think it's crazy that Perosh is 5-2 in his last 7 in the UFC with his only losses being to Ryan Jimmo (top 20) and Ryan Bader (top 10)?

It would be awesome if he was 15 years younger and still had time on his side to improve. He does a lot with a very limited physique. I think he's earned one last crack at a top 20 guy. Lil'Nog, Feijao or Maldonado maybe? They're all semi-winnable and if he loses all three could use a win even over Perosh.

I'd actually like to see him rewarded with a Lil'Nog fight, and for Lil'Nog he can't really ask for an easier fight than Perosh in theory given his ranking.

Moving ahead to UFC 180 here are some of my thoughts

Gastelum -184 vs Ellenberger - Ellenberger seems to be in decline. I'm not in live with the price but if I could get -160 which seems possible when the juice comes down i'll consider it. Gastelum is younger and improving and I think Ellenberger has peaked.

Hunt +380 and rising vs Werdum - I fully expect Werdum to win and wanted to bet on him at -200ish where I expected the line to be but that said, Hunt can crack Werdum's chin if he connects and he has been better than the last fight in every fight lately. I think Hunt will put Werdum out cold about 1 in 4 fights (with Werdum pretty much always winning the other 3) but at this price it makes the value on Hunt. I'm more of a Werdum fan and will be cheering for him, and I even bet on him against Browne, but Hunt is dangerous, and Werdum could have some scary moments in r1... or he could take Hunt down in 38 seconds and submit him. Who knows?

Bermudez -164 vs Lamas - the money's coming in on Lamas as he has the more proven record. Bermudez got a lucky decision against Holloway and had a close fight with Matt Grice, but Holloway is legit and imo top 15 and Bermudez has rattled off 3 nice wins looking great since. He's improving fast, he's powerful and he can wrestle and grind. Lamas has a great win vs Swanson but it was a while ago and he was losing the Koch fight before Koch randomly slipped.

Lamas is legit, but Bermudez is the younger hungrier fighter who is getting better every fight. Will consider him at -150 or better.

Jessica Eye vs Leslie Smith at -180 or better - she's impressed me more and has better wins. Hoping odds are close so I can bet her.

Last edited by SwoopAE; 11-09-2014 at 06:21 PM.
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11-09-2014 , 07:49 PM
if you compare hunt striking vs Werdum, its not even close, Werdum will try to drop hunt to the ground around 90% of the time,

Wardum could go in there and make a stand of it and crack with Hunt but it will last about 30 seconds and then Werdum will wake the *** up.

Hunt is on a whole other level altogether than Werdum and Werdum has excellent stand up.


there is no way hunt is +380, he is at most +180,

Hunt is worth your time of the day, he is a smart smart dude, he knows all about Werdums game, he will be on the back foot when werdum warms up but its close and Hunt can end Werdum with once glancing blow never mind full connect.


I love Hunt at +380
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11-09-2014 , 09:03 PM
I'll be cheering for Hunt, but the way Werdum manhandled Browne, just solidifies the fact that an in shape Werdum is a favorite over an in shape Hunt, and Hunt isn't even in shape for this fight. Hunt will stuf the first few takedowns, but after r1 there's no way he's not going to fold to Werdums takedown attempts and will probably get subbed. I love Hunt's uppercut though, can never count that out and Werdum better not be reckless with his takedown attempts.
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11-10-2014 , 05:00 AM
Technically Werdums striking looks better than Hunts now.

Hunt was never the best technical kick boxer, he wins with power and a great chin. Werdums MT has looked incredible vs Nelson and Browne.
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11-10-2014 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LasFuentes
How did anyone watch this crappy ufc card over Hopkins/Kovalev? I had both streams up and was only occasionally glancing over in between rounds (even on fights I bet on). Even if you're not a fan of boxing it would be insane picking a crappy fight night over that.

Had ufc on mute as the fight ended and was listening to the post fight interviews and then glance over to see Shogun laid out lol. Wanted to bet OSP but Shogun scared me by looking his best since his pride days at the weigh ins :\
Wasn't the boxing main a whitewash?

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Bermudez -164 vs Lamas - the money's coming in on Lamas as he has the more proven record. Bermudez got a lucky decision against Holloway and had a close fight with Matt Grice, but Holloway is legit and imo top 15 and Bermudez has rattled off 3 nice wins looking great since. He's improving fast, he's powerful and he can wrestle and grind. Lamas has a great win vs Swanson but it was a while ago and he was losing the Koch fight before Koch randomly slipped.

Lamas is legit, but Bermudez is the younger hungrier fighter who is getting better every fight. Will consider him at -150 or better.
I like Lamas quite a bit as a dog vs Bermudez, and Bermudez has been making me some money lately.
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11-10-2014 , 03:03 PM
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I like Lamas quite a bit as a dog vs Bermudez, and Bermudez has been making me some money lately.
That's funny because i've faded Bermudez a few times and got burned but now I like him. I think he's consistently improving, if he's not then it's not the right play but he's looked better with each outing recently and he's certainly not the same fighter than lost to Brandao and went to a SD with Grice and Holloway
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11-10-2014 , 03:36 PM
Holloway/Miller announced. Hope Holloways wrecks him and expect he will
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11-11-2014 , 05:21 PM
The Tito vs Bonnar fight is this weekend and Chandler vs Brooks 2 but no lines. Not sure which way I'd go with these but I like Tito against Bonnar I think he wrestles him to a decision providing he doesn't have a fractured head/back/shoulder/vagina that causes him to lose like every other Tito Ortiz loss.

Brooks seems to improve everytime he fights so I be interested to see what the line is for this hopefully get him at +300 or I'd take Chandler at something like -150.
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11-12-2014 , 12:29 AM
Leslie smith +190. Bet of the card for sure.
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11-13-2014 , 03:24 AM
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Leslie smith +190. Bet of the card for sure.
I think this might be my only bet of the weekend, cheers for the heads up probably wouldn't have looked at this fight much if you hadn't mentioned it.
So many fights and I like Bermudez and Gastelum but the odds looks about right. Brooks isn't as a big of a dog as I hoped and Tito is too short. Hunt inside the distance at +400 is probably the only other bet I feel has decent value.
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11-13-2014 , 05:02 AM
I see Bonnar winning over Ortiz. Ortiz, while he won in his last fight, look pretty slow, and has been known to wilt under pressure in his latest fights, albeit that has been to opponets much better than Bonnar. But I feel like when you go old schooler vs old schooler, you have to go with who has the biggest heart/is the least damaged, and while Bonnar been through a few wars, I feel he's not been as injured prone as Ortiz and that will help him. Also feel like his conditioning is better than Ortiz, who doesn't seem to be able to go more than 1 round at a decent pace.
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11-13-2014 , 06:24 AM
Bonnar should be a favorite IMO over Tito? I agree with the opening line here, I will be on Bonnar for sure.
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11-13-2014 , 02:01 PM
Maybe I'm putting to much stock on the fact that old man Coleman was able to takedown and control Bonnar at the end of his career. I think also Bonnar will be a little rusty after two years away from the sport. I'll leave it alone and and just enjoy the fight.
Took Leslie Smith at +225 at Boylesport for 1 unit my only bet so far for this weekend.
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11-13-2014 , 03:43 PM
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Maybe I'm putting to much stock on the fact that old man Coleman was able to takedown and control Bonnar at the end of his career. I think also Bonnar will be a little rusty after two years away from the sport. I'll leave it alone and and just enjoy the fight.
Took Leslie Smith at +225 at Boylesport for 1 unit my only bet so far for this weekend.
I remember that fight and this is Tito's only chance to win.

But on Bonner's side he did win like 4 straight after this fight and only lost to Silva to finish off his career.

I like that Leslie Smith bet. Will jump on that wagon as well.
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11-13-2014 , 05:12 PM
Considering Bonnar and Bermudez at current prices and thats about it this weekend

I've bet on Tito a lot as a big dog, but not willing to bet on him as a fav against a big fighter who can strike and who has decentish BJJ and not the worst tdd

Might take the Smith odds play but Eye has impressed me in the UFC. I didn't see Duke/Smith fight though
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11-13-2014 , 05:21 PM
Mir/Bigfoot, Wonderboy/Thatch and Jacare/Romero announced this week. Hopefully they dont get ruined by injuries.
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11-13-2014 , 05:43 PM
Smith should be a favourite imo. Eye is scrappy with pretty good striking going against one of the best strikers at womens bw.

If eye goes out there looking to grapple it may be a different story. Nothing she has done thus far in her career has shown me she won't want to stand and bang though.
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11-13-2014 , 07:57 PM
Way to kill off one of the contenders, talkin about wonderboy/thatch, I'd like to see them both face top 15 fighters instead of facing each other.

Jacare/Romero is a really interesting matchup, can't wait to see that one.

Big Foot/Mir, man both of them are slow. Mir has just declined so much as of late, though he did look in good shape vs Overeem if im not mistaken, but he was just mismatched in that fight.
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11-13-2014 , 10:51 PM
Wedrum vs Hunt is going to be a real interesting one.
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11-14-2014 , 07:45 PM
Yeah idk about Wonderboy/Thatch matchmaking but the fight should be awesome. Think I like Wonderboy at evens but odds could be anywhere wouldnt be shocked if either guy was -200 or +100

Bermudez and Smith is tempting but not sure if im even going to play this card, we'll see I guess. Bonnar over Tito too especially if odds keep rising id cap it at about evens and take whoever the dog is in that fight
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