Glad someone else likes pvz Jim thought I was the only one

Anybody know why Bermudez is losing his fights, just watched some highlights of him and he looked really great in his earlier fights, so why has he dropped off so much?

I was initially favoring him but I'm not so sure after seeing his record.

Can you guys chime in, about the opponents Edwards has faced so far, are they considered cans?

They both are wrestlers but Bermudez looks like a different animal tbh, this might be a really good spot, if Edwards has indeed not fought somebody as skilled as Bermudez.

I remember when Bermudez starched Guida and he looked like he was going to be contending for the title.
It seems like a mix of poor fight IQ and luck have derailed his career. He is a great athlete but is a fighter you can'r really trust when your putting money down.

The odds have flipped against Te Edwards rightfully or not. For me I have trouble betting on Bermudez because on paper it seems like he should win fairly easily but still anages to lose somehow.

Bermudez has been fighting his whole UFC career at 145lbs. He's moving up to 155lbs for this one. Te Edwards will have advantages in length and size, maybe not strength but their wrestling will likely cancel out.

Te Edwards showed a very fast, powerful, and accurate one punch knockout in the contenders series. However, he looked terrible in his octagon debut getting outstruck 21-5 and nearly getting both KO'ed and submitted in round 1 (although, showed heart not to get submitted), before getting KO'ed at the beginning of the round 2 by a head kick. Te Edwards was a heavy favorite in that fight and looked terrible but that was quite a different fighter, a 6ft Muay Thai kickboxer as opposed to Bermudez a 5'6" wrestler.

Looking at the stats, Bermudez had a big takedown advantage in a lot of his early fights. Funny enough he did win the takedowns in his last fight 6-0 but still lost the fight. However, in his previous 3 fights he lost the takedown battle a combined 7-2. His last 3 losses were all split decision losses so take that for what it's worth.

I'm going to go with Te Edwards even though my better judgment says they should both lose. It seems likely this fight will take place on the feet. I just watched the Korean Zombie KO of Bermudez and there was no shame in it whatsoever...a precision uppercut right to the chin. But it reminded me that all Te needs is one clean shot and it's gonna be night night for Bermudez.

i think hes gotten three bad decisions in a row tbh. the fact hes moving to 155 is interesting, i probably pass on this one though. almost bet edwards when it was +111 but didn't.

Thanks guys, yes I noticed the move up too and he is short too at only 5.6ft so in general he will be giving up quite a bit vs other 155'ers but vs Edwards who is only 5.8, it shouldn't be too big of a disadvantage.

I agree that out of his last 4 fights he arguably wins 3 of them, so that's not an issue anymore. RB87, you mention his fight IQ, I can't say I noticed anything out of the ordinary but I haven't watched all his fights.

Anybody know anything about the opponents of Edwards?


Thanks Dream Crusher, you seem to have a lot of valuable information on a lot of fighters, while I agree that Edwards only needs 1 clean shot, we can say the same for Bermudez too. I listened to a youtube breakdown today and these 2 guys were saying while Bermudez can get Ko'd he doesn't get finished easily, he's usually able to shrug off a clean shot, he gets rocked but usually gets back into the fight and now at 155, he should have a better chin.

It's a very close spot thinking about this some more, both have ways to win, though I still think I'll bet Bermudez, prob small and some on points, I think his wrestling is a bit a better, hopefully size doesn't play too much a factor.

If Bermudez was 3-0 in his last 3, he would be -200 or better vs an 0-1 UFC fighter.

Stylistically not the best fight for him. However, he should be the better striker, that throws at a significantly more volume and has proven cardio.

Also, although he has been on the losing end of the takedown battle in 2 of those three fights, there was only one time when he was held on his back. That was roughly 30seconds vs Fili.

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Te Edwards quote: “He’s a smaller-framed guy with a wrestling background and good striking; but everything he’s good at we’re also good at, but we’re bigger, faster, stronger, younger and hungrier, I think, honestly"

I agree with that quote which is why I favor him slightly.

Bermudez is the far more experienced fighter though and has been in a lot of wars with UFC caliber opponents. Half of Te's 3 wins came against scrubs, and half of them came against game opponents. Still, it's hard to glean that much from any of those fights considering all 6 of Te's wins have been 1st round KO/TKOs. For Bermudez to have the best chance of winning I'd say he needs to turn this into an ugly 3 round dog fight. If he sits back and strikes allowing Te to get comfortable then he's just asking to get knocked out.

TJ sounds great and looks good, now lets see him on the scale but this gives me a lot of confidence that his weight cut went great!!!

I'm betting the house on him, well not the house but I'll go a few units more... while you guys think Cejudo is a great spot and I do agree to some degree, I just don't see him winning 3 rounds or getting a finish. TJ is just too well rounded, while Cejudo is more a 1 trick pony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVoJ9mpdag

It's hard to trust the chin of bermudez and he's moving up in weight that's why the price is where it is on skillset you'd assume he'd be a fav

Thoughts on the weigh in? Dillashaw really did look like a cross country runner.

Still think he schools Cejudo pretty easily

Is that a good or bad thing?

If you think he looks skinny or something, worry not, he'll be looking great after re-hydration.

I think he will embarrass Cejudo, he's got some of the best footwork, striking and he's really good in all areas, Cejudo got wrestling, he's outmatched everywhere else, I don't think he'll be good enough with wrestling alone.

TJ looked fine at weigh ins. Cowboy looked like death. I was leaning Cowboy but not so sure right now. Anybody know if Hernandez slows down, has cardio issues? I know he's super explosive in 1st rounds and is dangerous but what happens if he doesn't put Cerrone out in the 1st?

I was leaning Cerrone finish in 3rd or on points but not sure at the moment.

Still think Ostovich will outwork PVZ. If she game plans correctly and gets her to the mat, I wouldn't be surprised by a sub in R2/3. I am not impressed with PVZ at all, I think she's closer to a can then to an elite fighter, sure somewhere in the middle but closer to a can imo. Heart only gets you so far, she got that for sure, she's tough but so is Ostovich and I think Ostovich has better striking and a better ground game. 1 Youtuber said that she has good fundamentals, her basics are good and I agree, she's not flashy or anything but she does the basics good, she's solid, I think she gets the win.

Will bet her to win R2/3 and straight up too.

Not sure how Hardy is such a huge favorite here. The guy got some legit power but who has he fought? He's super inexperienced and we don't even know if he can go past the 1st round, he seems like the type of fighter that goes all out in the 1st round but gasses hard afterwards.

Will be playing Crowder straight up and some props he finishes in R2/3. Reasons he's more experienced, I think Hardy has a good punchers chance but will get wrecked if he doesn't land that big punch. Hopefully Crowder can fade a big punch and then as Hardy slows down, it should be a lot easier to either finish him or grind him for a decision. Seems like great value to me.

Gillespie by KO/TKO, is prob the best play, Yancy while tough, still has a very weak chin, I guess he could get subbed too bu willing to risk it, just because of the weak chin. The fact that they both are finishers, I think this is likely to end with a finish. Just don't see Yancy getting a finish, so easy bet imo.

Will bet round 1 and 2 by KO.

I still think Bermudez is the right bet, yes Edwards is younger and perhaps hungrier but Bermudez is a big step up in competition and Edwards makes tons of mistakes, he also got out-wrestled in 1 of his fights, so I don't think the wrestling is cancelled out at all. Bermudez is in do or die mode, losing 4 of his last 4 fights, this is a must win. I think he get sit done tbh.

Will bet him straight up and by dec.

Think I'll bet Geoff Neal too, Belal is tough but not sure he will be able to handle Neal.
Will bet Neal straight up and ko prop.

Will bet Kyle Stewart too. Not sure about this though, he seems like the better fighter after having watched both but not really studied them enough, so will bet small.

Hernandez did noticeably slow down vs OAM in their fight.

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Why has Cowboy gone back to 155? Has he said if this is permanent or is he just being Cowboy and taking every fight he gets offered?

Hoping to see a bit of movement on TJ's odds before lumping it.

He's now hunting for the title, so yeah he's changed his attitude. Could also be that Conor is at 155 and he would love that money fight.

Agreed, I'm on TJ heavy.

He must have killed himself to get to 125 though and that is the only real concern I have. Who knows how much a weight cut like that takes out of a man.

ive already bet tj, but i do worry he won't be able to take a shot at all. thats my only concern though, so i still think theres value.

I thought Cowboy looked good on the scale, ripped, got right on and off, no lethargy, not limping. He used a nutritionist this camp. If he loses, it won't be because of the weight cut imho.

Cowboy saying that he doesn't watch tape on fighters, he didn't know who Till was and now he doesn't know who Hernandez is. If this is true and I don't see why it wouldn't be true, he is really unprofessional.

Who doesn't study their opponents at the highest level of any sport! He's truly an idiot if it's true.

Can't be betting on guy this ******ed, this unprofessional.

Yeah he looked cut, ripped, anybody would cutting that much weight, he didn't look dead dead, but dead as in brutal cut dead. I'm sure he's alright, just not sure he'll be making 155 continuously.

Easier said than done weathering that initial storm. Greg Hardy is a scary man and everything he throws has bad intentions. Crowder decided to stand and trade with Willis. That would be a major mistake against Hardy (i'm sure he'll try not to). It will be interesting to see how Hardy's cardio holds up if he is taken into deep water though. Hardy has a good physique..ie he wears 280lbs well..he's not overly muscular nor overly fat.

Speaking of weight, Crowder weighed 237lbs in his last fight and 240.5lbs in his Tuesday Night Contender fight. He's coming into this one at 252lbs. It looks like he's added muscle (he's had a year off). I suppose he wants that extra muscle in order to take down the much bigger opponent. That could have an adverse affect on Crowder's cardio though.

It is interesting how an unproven one dimensional fighter can come in as such a favorite, but such is the HW division, a division where one dimensional fighters like Francis Ngannou and Derrick Lewis can challenge for the title.

I'm sure he's changed his attitude and is taking steps to advance his career but the hunting for the title bit just sounds like crap fighters always say..ie he can say he's hunting the title as much as he wants but that doesn't mean I actually believe him (or rather, believe in him).

Cejudo has missed weight twice at 125lbs but he looked outstanding on the scales today. He just looks super strong. If there was one area I'd be concerned for TJ it's that he's going to be at a major strength disadvantage because TJ looks like a twig and Henry looks like a tank. TJ will be the taller longer fighter but Cejudo will be the bigger much thicker fighter. I still can't imagine picking against TJ in this fight though.

Yeah Crowder has added like 15lb since his last fight, his cardio was suspect in that contender fight, though he was up against a bigger man and still got it done. His cardio is not great, I don't know how Hardy will do in deep waters tbh. I agree he looks great for his weight, fast hands and a very aggro starter, that said, he's very green. Not sure Crowder will be the guy that stops him but I'm willing to bet him at such massive odds. There's a chance he grinds him down in the 1st and Hardy slows down considerably, not only that if Crowder makes this a wrestling contest, which he should, then Hardy will be in deep **** imo.

Agreed Cejudo does look like a tank, TJ looks slim vs him, but his frame is way different, Cejudo got that small body wrestler type body, like Mendez, even the bigger wrestlers all got it too, like DC, Latiffi etc, they make all guys look like twigs. Benvitez looked skinny too, he's a 125'er, so TJ looking the way he did, it don't bother me tbh, he'll look fine come fight night.

This is fake news I heard on ESPN. Actually, he only missed weight once and that was prior to his UFC debut. Prior to that he also had a 128lb catchweight fight so perhaps that was the confusion.

A lot of what Alex said at the press conference was more hype than substance..just prefight trash talk but I really liked this quote:

I hope he backs up his big claims and isn't just all talk. Cerrone will be fired up though, that's for sure, nobody likes a cocky motherfucxker and he was saying some nasty **** haha, I like it though. He does talk good though, kinda entertaining like Conor.