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06-23-2018 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Arantes mentally broken by 2mins into r2

I don't think he wins another fight in the UFC now.
you all over the place man lol
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06-23-2018 , 09:16 AM
Tyson Pedro busting the nice walk in music man lol
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06-23-2018 , 09:16 AM
My bet was mostly a fade on Song initially and this fight drastically raised my opinion of him very quickly. Might not be such a good idea to fade the Asian prospects anymore this generation seems more promising than the last, although once they come up against NCAA wrestlers it's a different story.

I posted that last one before Arantes got finished btw, he was mentally broken after the first exchanges of r2 and was never going to win from there barring fluke sub. Song's boxing was on point today and his athleticism seems solid. He's a bit small, but if he can add some muscle or cut to 135 i'm pretty high on him compared to before this card, his movement was pretty good, although Arantes was utterly terrible as well which helped.

Happy for Eye's win there even though I don't really care to watch Eye or Clark fight.

Switched to a tiny bet on Pedro here originally had a tiny one on OSP, just for the sweat
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06-23-2018 , 09:26 AM
Peanut fight IQ by Pedro there, had OSP badly hurt, goes for guillotine which is fine but punches prob better, fails, clinches to let OSP rest, tries takedown, ends up pulling himself into side control bottom position and gets subbed. Absurd.

OSP runs so good sometimes lol
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06-23-2018 , 09:34 AM
Put a tiny play on Edwards by TKO, I sorta want to be on Cerrone here as a substantial dog but I prefer Edwards as a fighter and it's just a sweat bet
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06-23-2018 , 09:38 AM
Stuck a free bet on enhanced underdog acca OSP/Eye/Cerrone.
Fancy Edwards to win this but if Cerrone can survive early I think he has a decent shot.
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06-23-2018 , 10:07 AM
Thought Cerrone was no chance after 2 rounds but he's making a fight of it. Chin/body holding up better than I thought
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06-23-2018 , 10:14 AM
whats that 3rds to 2rds cerrone?

whats the point of being a UFC fighter if all you do is back up like that, you have to go get it man.. your a up and comer you need to impress you need to attack man.... cowboy the old man had to make the fight happen.
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06-23-2018 , 10:15 AM
No idea how to score this one, didn't think it was going the distance but both guys chins held up. Decent main event for a nothing card.

Comes down to how you score r4 I think. I wasn't watching closely enough to accurately score it.Seemed like 1-2 Edwards and 3-5 Cerrone to me with 4 being the deciding round
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06-23-2018 , 08:10 PM
Hope you guys who watched the Singapore card live had fun. I just couldn't stay up all night. Finally finished watching the whole card with a fresh head. Hit a lot of underdogs & props and got almost every bet right except for the main event. Lotta underdogs hit at good prices like Schnell at +170, Xiaonan at +170, Eye at +145 and OSP at +145. Cowboy should go back to lightweight, he could get and keep the takedowns easier against smaller men and his strikes would have much more impact. Ended up $1623.76 in profit while I slept, so can't complain.
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06-24-2018 , 07:16 AM
Nice card Jim. Cerrone is better at LW in general, but his chin might be in worse shape if he's dehydrated from the weight cut it held up very well at WW last night. That said he's not going to beat top 10 guys at WW in general. If he's happy being a gatekeeper to the top 15 and headlining fight nights for the rest of his career he's fine at 170 though. I think he just wants to fight and get paid at this point of his career, he wants the title but surely he knows it's out of reach at this point. He said he wants to fight 2 more times this year and for another 5 years or until the UFC tells him to stop, so we have a lot of Cerrone fights still to come probably as if the UFC gives him a step down in competition any time he's on a losing run he'll find wins vs mid level guys still.

Haven't fired any bets for 226 yet but a ton of spots I like. I don't see any way I don't fire DC and Holloway and i'm going to almost def be on Ngannou TKO or Ngannou,

Millender was super impressive vs Alves but price may be a bit steep I need to rewatch some Griffin tape. Medeiros +210 seems like value vs Perry probably, Saki/Rountree to not go the distance if it's under -300 and I think Vannata may have gone from overhyped to slightly underrated after his last few fights so might consider him too. Need to rewatch Klose's last few fights though i've seen them but don't remember much
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06-24-2018 , 05:13 PM
I think bets should be void and the fighter should be penalised for stepping into the cage ill tbh, its not right, UFC can deal with any evenutally, if a fighter gets into a cage less than 100% and some thing terrible happens, then there are issue..big issues like corporate manslaughter charges.

Very small bet here on a fighter that headed into the 5th round, with "two a peice" and more aggressive etc winning the 5th, but never mind all that. A fighter when he steps up to that guy that pats you down and checks for broken bones and so on, he should very clearly have to ask the fighter, ARE YOU 100% AND FREE OF ANY ILLNESS THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF.

Isnt it?

What happens if you put 10k on Max Holloway or Brian Ortega, who ever, what ever, but point is post event they come back either dirrectly in the cage or at press conference and say sleeply, oh yeah you know for for the last 48 hours I have had serious diarrhea, I have been vomitting, I have been passing out, I have been dizzy, I have not been knowing where I am or who people are.

You cant say that after the event, thats wrong, its not illegal but its totally out of line.

Let me put it this way, would JimGunn have shipped money on Cowboy if he knew Cowboy was totally ***;ed not even able to get out of bed or wanting to just hours before the event.

This is invaild bet and it realy shows up UFC as a terrible host, this impacts their brand name, this is like saying oh yeah Nike make the best most cool trainers in the world but they are from sweat shops in "insert 3rd world nation here" and 8 to 12 years old are suffering or some thing.

You see my point, also behond a putter making a complain about losing money what ever that amount is from $2, to $20k the most important thing really is the fighters well being,

This is a tremendiously dangerious sport, you can get elbowed or kicked the wrong way and you at the very least are going into a coma, right, you can die in the cage.

Im pretty surprised about this from UFC, this is obviously wrong, the fact it is the ME or a warm up fight means nothing.

UFC are mafia and fighters are in great fear of doing terrible damage to their ability to fight again by reporting accurately the true state of affairs regarding their ability to fight. We are VERY LUCKY to have cowboy come forward here and highlight this by his innocent reporting of the actual state of affairs here we can see a huge issue and if we watch the media or mma forums few will talk about it, this point of corporate governance.

Lets not have this conversation post a major UFC event when some one is in really terrible condition in hospital because a fighters team did not do what was required!!!!!!!!!!!!

The UFC pre event people didnt do their job!!!!!!!!!!
The fighters doctor didn't do their job.


Really shocking, I am bemused and also possible out of pocket which is secondary, the main point is this is totally unacceptable.

You get into the cage in the condition of your life all time best in all regards else you are causing a lot of issue for a lot of people, possibly even the distress of the community need to learn of your passing because you took a blow you originally would not been exposed to with that velocity and angle or what ever.

If any one from UFC is reading this, can you go and speak to some one and find out wtf you guys are doing over there please, right is right, fight fans are trusting in UFC to deliver in all regards else close up shop if you cant manage your responsibility and policys, you need to be compliant to H&S (health and safety).

Edit: It is not enough to say oh the fighter didn't tell us, you are there to KNOW, if he doesn't tell you and you find out post event then its the same as Paul daily, you are OUT.



https://mmajunkie.com/2018/06/donald...on-edwards-mma

Last edited by Balla Shusher; 06-24-2018 at 05:27 PM.
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06-24-2018 , 08:51 PM
its impossible to know if the fighter is sick tho if ur management unless they admit it to you. if they poker face their way into the fight not much you can do. its not like a doctor could detect that imo.
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06-25-2018 , 03:48 AM
People could lie about being sick or not being sick etc. same with injuries. Tito became a meme over his 'cracked skull' excuses after his losses, obviously if he has a serious injury prior to a fight he shouldn't be fighting in the first place.

Bets kind of have to be graded on same night result with the only possible exception being if the wrong result is announced in the cage (eg they make an error with judges scorecards) which is then quickly corrected, otherwise it's a hassle with people failing post fight drug tests or fights being overturned to NCs for bad refereeing or whatever later because some people will have withdrawn their winnings from the night it has to be 'result stands after 24 hours' or similar for practical reasons for betting purposes for bookies.

That said it's negligent of a fighter's camp to let them fight when sick/substantially injured and they should probably be sanctioned somehow for that
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06-25-2018 , 11:22 AM
It's up to the fighter to fight or not in the end. If his management are sending him out there when he says he can't he should get new management. It's harsh, but this is the hurt business.
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06-26-2018 , 12:58 PM
I like Cejudo vs DJ at +430. Cejudo is ****ing good.

Pissed that I missed that opening line on Israel Adessanya, not that I think he's a lock against Brad Tavares by any means but it was very predictable that it was going to move in his favor given that everyone thinks he's the second coming of Jon Jones. Tavares is really good and a huge step up in competition for him though, so will be an interesting fight.
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06-26-2018 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Malachii
I like Cejudo vs DJ at +430. Cejudo is ****ing good.

Pissed that I missed that opening line on Israel Adessanya, not that I think he's a lock against Brad Tavares by any means but it was very predictable that it was going to move in his favor given that everyone thinks he's the second coming of Jon Jones. Tavares is really good and a huge step up in competition for him though, so will be an interesting fight.
I also like Cejudo vs DJ @ that line.

Pretty stooooooooked for Antonina tonight.

Her sister is my ultra crush lol so I hope she puts on a show.

I got her a lil after open at -560 and shes already -1,400 lol.


Not sure on the other fighters but I'll do a little research before the fights!
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06-26-2018 , 08:04 PM
DWTNCS 11 Risk $473.75

Antonina Shevchenko/Jaymee Nievara Over 2½ (-165) $123.75 for $75.00
Te'Jovan Edwards (+110) vs Austin Tweedy $100.00 for $110.00
Greg Rebello/Josh Parisian Over 1½ (+120) $50.00 for $60.00
Jordan Williams (-150) vs Tim Caron $150.00 for $100.00
Jordan Williams wins inside distance (+105) $50.00 for $52.50
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06-27-2018 , 03:36 AM
Wow the market sure loves Ortega, Holloway in to -145 now. DC still in the +230 range. I'm still convinced DC is more likely to take Stipe's belt than Ortega is to take Holloway's.

I know Medeiros has failed his tests vs top 15 fighters mostly but i'm not sure Perry is one, does anyone else think the price is either justified or way too high with Medeiros at +220? Perry is a good fighter, but not a top 15 fighter, seems like more of a pickem. Is there something i'm missing in the stylistic matchup? I know Medeiros was TKO'd by Cerrone in his last fight but still
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06-27-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Wow the market sure loves Ortega, Holloway in to -145 now. DC still in the +230 range. I'm still convinced DC is more likely to take Stipe's belt than Ortega is to take Holloway's.

I know Medeiros has failed his tests vs top 15 fighters mostly but i'm not sure Perry is one, does anyone else think the price is either justified or way too high with Medeiros at +220? Perry is a good fighter, but not a top 15 fighter, seems like more of a pickem. Is there something i'm missing in the stylistic matchup? I know Medeiros was TKO'd by Cerrone in his last fight but still
Yeah the hype on Ortega is interesting. I still don't know who to go with but if I can get Ortega at +190 or so, I can't pass that up. I don't think Max will finish Ortega, but Ortega can finish the fight whenever. If it goes to a decision, Max will win in my eyes. Might be worth putting some money on Ortega by Sub and Max by decision.. only two ways I see the fight finishing unless Ortega somehow sleeps him.

Yeah I just can't pass up DC @ that line. Just can't.

The problem with Yancy is he gets hit and doesn't care.. and Perry has STUPID power. I also know Perry joined a new camp (which he needed) so I think he'll show off a little in this fight. Hopefully his "horsefaced GF" isn't in the corner anymore hahaha.

Honestly, I like Perry in this fight. He joined Jackson Wink and finally has a true camp and team under him. He has insane power as well. Also JW houses Cerrone.. so that can't hurt to get some advice on Yancy's style.
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06-27-2018 , 03:58 PM
Haven't watched enough of Mike Perry's recent fights to have a real opinion on it but that sure is pricing in a lot from Perry. It might have been a direct result of a lucky punch that broke his nose, but Medeiros stopping Cowboy Olivera is still pretty damn impressive.

Also, Moicano is damn good, but -365 versus Cub Swanson? Come on.
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06-29-2018 , 07:09 AM
Anyone else think Rory Mac +200 is absurd vs Mousasi? Mousasi is a good fighter, but he's not a great fighter. He's def a better technical striker than Rory, but Rory is way more well rounded and the only guy he's ever been outclassed by standing is Wonderboy, who imo has better technique than Mousasi (remember, Mousasi got outclassed by late prime Machida standing too) - and it's worth remembering that Rory was the last guy to beat Woodley and he did it convincingly. Granted it's a totally different stylistic matchup but if Rory mixes some grappling in with his striking I could see him beating Mousasi, Mousasi's TDD is not amazing as shown in the first round of the Weidman fight, granted Weidman is bigger than Rory and probably has slightly better offensive wrestling, but Rory's cardio and chin are better.

Should be a great fight. On skillsets I lean towards Rory although Mousasi will have a size advantage so i'll wait to see how big that is for weigh ins before deciding whether to fire, Rory will need to add muscle to compete in this one. If they were the same size i'd take Rory at evens.

Still hoping the Holloway price continues to drift, -145 is already ridiculous imo but holding off since it keeps drifting due to the Ortega hype, might hit DC soon if he starts moving in at all I don't think there are any fighters he is more than +200 against other than Jon Jones with steroids and maybe healthy Cain Velasquez who he'd never fight.

Perry vs Felder now for 226 so no point speculating about Medeiros anymore there, no idea what to make of that new fight. They also announced Vick vs Gaethje for a future event which should be fun

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06-29-2018 , 02:56 PM
Hopefully Jackson/Wink fixes the closed eye/dropped jaw overhands that Perry throws as soon as he gets hurt. Experienced fighters are going to pick him apart and watch him get sloppy once he's hurt come as seen with Ponzinibbio, Griffin, Jouban. I think Mike Perry is that type of guy that can smoke the old guys that are "on their way out" and undersized stand up guys, but lose to ranked opponents that have see his type of style hundred of times before. He's tough and he has a big mouth, but outside of the punching power and scrappiness he doesn't have the attributes like any of the ranked welterweights.

Perry v. Cerrone would be a great matchup if Cowboy takes the fight seriously. I don't see Perry ever cracking the top 10, but being an entertaining fighter on the FS1 cards or a good opening match PPV guy that you know is going to try and have an exciting fight.
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06-29-2018 , 07:22 PM
Bellator 201 Risk $1692.00

Ilima-Lei Macfarlane (-377) vs Alejandra Lara $377.00 for $100.00
Ilima-Lei Macfarlane wins inside distance (+105) $75.00 for $78.75
Ilima-Lei Macfarlane/Alejandra Lara won’t go 5 round distance (-115) $115.00 for $100.00

Valerie Letourneau (-115) vs Kristina Williams $115.00 for $100.00
Valerie Letourneau (-145) vs Kristina Williams $145.00 for $100.00
Valerie Letourneau (-155) vs Kristina Williams $155.00 for $100.00
Valerie Letourneau (-165) vs Kristina Williams $165.00 for $100.00
Valerie Letourneau (-175) vs Kristina Williams $175.00 for $100.00

Not Juan Archuleta inside distance (-160) vs Robbie Peralta $120.00 for $75.00

Parlay:
Saad Awad (-420) vs Ryan Couture + Ilima-Lei Macfarlane (-385) vs Alejandra Lara $250.00 for $139.92


Titan FC 50 Risk $951.00

Raush Manfio (-120) vs Sidney Outlaw $120.00 for $100.00
Raush Manfio (-136) vs Sidney Outlaw $136.00 for $100.00

Uros Jurisic (-170) vs Jose Caceres $170.00 for $100.00
Uros Jurisic (-170) vs Jose Caceres $170.00 for $100.00
Uros Jurisic (-175) vs Jose Caceres $175.00 for $100.00
Uros Jurisic (-180) vs Jose Caceres $180.00 for $100.00


LFA 44 Risk $100.00

Christian Aguilera (+220) vs Matthew Frincu $100.00 for $220.00
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06-29-2018 , 08:47 PM
got one bet tonight.

took williams +113 vs val. not super confident about it but i think val takes damage way worse than williams whos hittable but has a sick sick chin. val may be way too crafty but i think we've seen her best days already and i rate williams as ever so slight a favorite. wouldn't shock me if i'm way off, but it also wouldnt shock me if williams landed something big early and closed the show.
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