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01-15-2018 , 09:06 AM
Paige is in hospital.

https://twitter.com/PaigeVanzantUFC/...85685827719170

Not really sure where she goes from here MMA-wise. She can compete at a certain middling level but anybody on the up then most likely, not.

Choi and Johnson possibly at a UFC crossroads as well.
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01-15-2018 , 11:49 AM
Just some random thoughts about the fights.

Stephens isn't getting a fair shake. He's won a bunch in a row yet isn't getting the top 5 type opponents that less proven fighters are getting.

Choi needs to move to 135 so he's stronger in relation to the division.

A tough loss for Michael Johnson... he got robbed a few years ago vs. Dareush (I think that's his name) and since then hasn't looked like the top 5 LW that he was. Moving to 145 isn't an error imo.
The punches he landed in r1 would have dropped half the division and hurt seriously all others but a handful... and in that handful was "The Damage"
Elkins, like Stephens, isn't getting a fair shake and I hope they don't match them up to kill off one of them. Who is this Ortega guy? Who has he really beaten? A faded Cub Swanson.. Yet he's vying for a title shot?

PVZ didn't look good by any metric (Sorry Swoop) that double kick is spotted a mile away and throwing it 20 times in a fight makes it easier to spot. It landed a few times... but that's because Clark ain't that great either. PVZ could have won a boring distance kicking decision but her fight IQ is lacking.

Usman ain't that great... his TD's were fine and ground control was good but against a guy that I didn't feel had good wrestling. I'd like to see Usman face a legit tough guy and see how it plays out. Lawlor, Matt Brown would be a good test. An interesting match up would have Usman vs. Magny where the wrestling nixes each other.
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01-15-2018 , 06:27 PM
Agree with all your points Sect7G but the first one.

Stephens is great fighter and I like him, but IMO he is getting more than a fair shake, just the fact that he was heading this card would imply that.

look at his resume, he basically fought all top guys or big names ; Frankie Edgar, Holloway, Baroa, Melendez, Swanson. in just his last 7-8 fights before that he fought other big names like Petis and Cerrone. He is 'only' on a 2 fight winning streak, he would need 1 or 2 big wins and he could fight for the belt IMO, maybe fight Aldo or Ortega.

Also I heard Dana mentioning a few times that he likes him and we all know that goes a long way in regard to getting a fair shake in the UFC, he is been fighting for a LONG time, he has an exciting fight style and will fight anyone. I'm sure they are not holding him away from a title shot or something like that. He also got placed on 3 UFC PPVs with McGregor (189, 194, 205) so that might also imply they like to place him on big cards. Kind of funny thinking about McGregors famous line of ''whoo the fook is that guy?'' while they been on the same card so often.

Last edited by CheckN0rris; 01-15-2018 at 06:34 PM.
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01-15-2018 , 09:04 PM
Johnson for some reason hasn't addressed the wrestling / grappling issue and I'm not sure he ever will (might be his body build, thin legs and no real base). The fights he's won has been in the standup department and he has quick and rangy punches. He might get cut though (don't think he should, he still is in his prime and holds wins over notable fighters).
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01-15-2018 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckN0rris
Agree with all your points Sect7G but the first one.

Stephens is great fighter and I like him, but IMO he is getting more than a fair shake, just the fact that he was heading this card would imply that.

look at his resume, he basically fought all top guys or big names ; Frankie Edgar, Holloway, Baroa, Melendez, Swanson. in just his last 7-8 fights before that he fought other big names like Petis and Cerrone. He is 'only' on a 2 fight winning streak, he would need 1 or 2 big wins and he could fight for the belt IMO, maybe fight Aldo or Ortega.

Also I heard Dana mentioning a few times that he likes him and we all know that goes a long way in regard to getting a fair shake in the UFC, he is been fighting for a LONG time, he has an exciting fight style and will fight anyone. I'm sure they are not holding him away from a title shot or something like that. He also got placed on 3 UFC PPVs with McGregor (189, 194, 205) so that might also imply they like to place him on big cards. Kind of funny thinking about McGregors famous line of ''whoo the fook is that guy?'' while they been on the same card so often.
You are def. right sir. I just find that if a guy is humble and doesn't talk too much they never get the title shots. I like Stephens (especially at 145) as he's not there to mess about and is looking to win fights via KO. Hopefully he gets suited up with a top guy and he can turn that into a TS.

I always think back to Jim Miller who was on an 8 fight LW win streak and never given the TS vs. BJ Penn. I think it's because he was too humble with his words.
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01-15-2018 , 10:34 PM
I really like Derek Brunson versus Jacare at +130 and have bet it fairly large. Have some thoughts on the upcoming card too, will post those once I have done my homework and get all my bets down.
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01-16-2018 , 05:32 AM
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I really like Derek Brunson versus Jacare at +130 and have bet it fairly large. Have some thoughts on the upcoming card too, will post those once I have done my homework and get all my bets down.
Was looking at these odds myself today and feel exactly the same. Expected Brunson to be a small favourite.
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01-16-2018 , 07:15 AM
I like Brunson in theory but he has a really low fight IQ. He should wreck Jacare standing and has good wrestling. It favours him in theory.

There are no spots at all I like on 220, across the entire card. First card in ages I can say that about. I may give it a miss entirely other than watching as a fan.
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01-16-2018 , 04:37 PM
For UFC 220 the two spots I like are Almeida and Kattar. Have Almeida at an average price of -123 and Kattar at +130 (line has since moved).

Also took N'Gannou at -185, but don't necessarily think that's a great spot EV wise since I think he's probably only like a 2-1 favorite. Also have a couple props.
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01-16-2018 , 10:48 PM
Agree Swoop i might fire some in Miocic but thats it

Brunsons Fight IQ is just to low to puting a bet on him vs a top10 imo
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01-17-2018 , 01:20 AM
If Brunson’s fight IQ is so low, how’d he KO an extremely crafty striker like Machida in the first round? How’d he more than hold his own versus Anderson Silva only to be screwed over by bad judging?

Granted, both those guys are past their prime (so is Jacare), but they’re two of the smartest fighters in the game. He has a bad habit of bullrushing people with his chin up and trying to physically overpower them and has been KO’d a couple times because of it. I think he’s learned his lesson (see: all fights since Robert Whitaker.)

He’s also a very good physical specimen with great power and handspeed and very good defensive wrestling. Jacare KO’d him when he charged him in the first fight (one of the two times he’s been punished for being overly aggressive), but that was kind of a lucky shot. Plus, Jacare’s 38 and his handspeed doesn’t seem to be the same, plus who knows what kind of “supplements” he was on the last time they fought, since it was pre-USADA and basically every Brazillian fighter was juicing. I think Brunson should be like a 3-2 favorite at least.
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01-17-2018 , 07:30 AM
Any UK based posters able to recommend the best sports books for MMA? I’ve only ever used Bet365 for betting in general.


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01-18-2018 , 12:22 AM
Betfair exchange often has better prices but not much liquidity. Still if your betting small then you should be fine.
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01-18-2018 , 02:35 AM
Oh man gl with your Brunson Bet but his athletic and thats it, KOing dinosaurs means nothing in my book
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01-18-2018 , 04:12 AM
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Oh man gl with your Brunson Bet but his athletic and thats it, KOing dinosaurs means nothing in my book
Jacare is a dinosaur!

Jacare needs to sub him, just how good is Brunson's ttd? Can Jacare still win a decision, simply by grinding Brunson, dominating him on the ground or is tht out of the question?
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01-18-2018 , 04:13 AM
Jacaranda isn't exactly young either. Re best book pinnacle has pretty low vig 5d is less trustworthy but has a lot of props, uni and b365 can be slow to move and have a lot of props, no idea what other books are available to you but there are plenty unless you're winning a ton in england
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01-18-2018 , 04:52 AM
DC is safe bet right
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01-18-2018 , 06:05 AM
Not at all for a -300 fav dc is old and coming off a TKO loss. Yeah he's a clear fav but I'd lean oezdemir at current price on punchers chance alone. Dc probably takes him down and grinds him out but I don't think he's over 75% here which the odds require.
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01-18-2018 , 07:05 AM
DC getting old guys, and I am a hardcore DC fan but it's getting there or thereabouts were they start to fall of that cliff. Oezdimir is young and hungry as fxk, he looks strong/big/muscles too, but nobody except Jones has been able to stuff DC, takedowns.

DC is known to keep it standing and it wouldn't susprise me if Oezidimir finishes him early. If it goes past the 3rd, then probably DC a favorite but DC was looking tired vs Jones in their last fight, so who knows!

I'm leaning Oezidmir right now.
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01-18-2018 , 10:39 AM
So far this weekend got

Rampage at 1.67
Burgos at 1.73 (Going to arb this as just jumped on slow bookie)
Miocic at 2.65

Really like the matchup for Rampage against Sonnen. From what I have seen it looks like Rampage is motivated coming in to this fight. Sonnen can't stand with Rampage and I imagine will get blasted early on.

Dan Hardy broke down the Miocic vs Ngannou on inside the ocatagon fight really well. Feel like Miocic is the value side of this fight.
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01-18-2018 , 02:22 PM
Rampage is never motivated.
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01-19-2018 , 06:00 PM
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Rampage is never motivated.
Pretty much this. Still judging from the photos, he does look to be in rather good shape (for him). I also think Sonnen is in over his head at HW, he fought at MW, Rampage fought at LHW. He's going to try and make it happen in about 2 minutes (bumrush Rampage) and when he see that he doesn't get anywhere, he's going to quit. Barring Rampage has some sort of knee injury that prevents him from stuffing takedown...
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01-19-2018 , 09:39 PM
Rampage did get taken down at will by Ryan Bader but bader is obviously better than roidless sonnen

I'm leaving the bellator card alone

Considering oezdemir, Alhassan, almeida, Pandoja, I kind of want ngannou too but not at the current price. No bets yet hopefully this card goes better than the last one for me.
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01-19-2018 , 10:04 PM
Considering grabbing Stipe @ +150. What do you guys think of that one?

True, Ngannou was very impressive against Arlovski and Overeem, but who else did he beat? Also, Stipe is going to be faster and more technical, so as long as he does not let Ngannou land a one-punch KO I do not see him winning that fight. Also Ngannou did not even seriously train in MMA until 2013.

Agree or disagree?
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01-19-2018 , 11:40 PM
I agree AALegend, if Stipe can get out of the 1st round i think he has it, gonna wait till tomorrow to load up, i think alot of money is gonna go on Ngannou tomorrow
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