Jackson wasn't saving him from Miller, maybe Lauzon

Why not? He could have won the fight if he just...didn't constantly throw flying knees at a dude whose only chance to win was to get him on the ground. That would seem to be an obvious flaw in strategy here. Miller has nothing for him on the feet, yet he's exposing himself to takedowns with an extremely risky technique that leaves him very vulnerable.

Simply put melvin is an athletically gifted idiot and his lack of intelligence will keep him from ever being a threat for the title.

Exactly. He fought a much more controlled style when under Jackson.

I'm so dissapointd in Melvin, he looked so good on the feet, why the f is he throwing flying knee's when villains only chance is to take him down. He should have just boxed and whenever Miller got close, he should have, and he did itb, do the tai clinch and try to get away.

Discuss UFC on Fox 2 nao.

Seriously, you can just ignore my posts if you don't like them, I clearly post all of my actual bets before each event starts and clearly stated that I didn't actually make any of those bets, it's just the sides of each line I liked beforehand if I had to choose a side. Yes, it's irrelevant but who cares. I obviously didn't like any of the lines enough to bet them, or I would have.

Back on topic I have 2 units on Rashad at -148 or so from memory (i'll have to check exact price) and a cancelled bet on Sonnen over Munoz since that fight got cancelled.

I'm actually considering Bisping at the enormous underdog price he is against Chael, and I think I may have missed the boat on Maia at +200ish opening lines against Weidman, but for now i'm staying away. Bisping's +385 at the moment, if he gets above +400 i'll probably make a small quarter to half unit play on the off chance Bisping can scramble and outpoint Chael for 2 rounds, or catch him coming in. Bisping has more power than people credit him for even though it isn't the best.

Cause flying knee's look cool

I was thinking about a flier on Bisping as well. I mean it's not like he doesn't have edges...I woulda been on Sonnen at like -300 or -350.

Yeah I missed on Maia too, not sure what to do about that one now.

Wait and see where the line settles on maia/weidman I guess.

I think the true line on Sonnen/Bisping is roughly -300/+300 odds wise, so worth a play if Bisping hits 400 otherwise ill prob leave it alone. Bisping does have good TDD and scrambling, and is better on the feet than Sonnen. Sonnen by dec is most likely, but Bisping is being underrated imo - a close decision to Wandy and losses to Rashad and Hendo doesn't make you a can the way some people think it does. Sonnen is a beast but he's lost to worse guys than Bisping before and he could easily make a mistake by overlooking Bisping if he's too focused on Silva

either way we win by getting Silva Sonnen 2 or Silva Bisping. Would love to see either

And I mean let's be honest, would you really be shocked if Sonnen fell into another triangle? Bisping is a capable grappler.

From what I've seen, Bispings guard is mostly a defensive guard, he doesn't take a lot of damage on the ground, just focuses on getting up fast and doesn't attempt many submissions.

I dont understand betting Bisping, he had trouble finshing a past it, gassed miller, I think he is tight (displined) in his punches but his power is not impressive at all, esp for the size of him, he is not naturally powerfull imo.

Sonnen owned one of, if not the greatest mma fighter alive today or maybe all time and was unlucky to be forced to tap out in the die'ing seconds, and im saying that as a person that is a big anderson fan and had money on him there.

Sonnen is the wrong cat for bisping to fight, he has next to no chance in my opinon, you all need to go back to the thoughts post fight of bisping vs miller in the thread," bisping is second rate" and "fake" he is in no way in any way imagable in the same leage of Sonnen and I dislike Sonnen, I dislike the way he made me sweat that bet vs Silva for a start, lol

Bisping is available at +385, but I am telling you guys it does not matter if it is plus 750 leave that well alone, a fit Sonnen is way way way to much for Bisping to handle.

All of these guys are beasts but there is a peaking order and Sonnen who is just done smashing silva is not the guy to bet here even if its silly odds, sure if its +2000 or some thing throw qtr of a unit on him.

So you're basically saying Sonnen is a huge value bet, even at -4/500

You ask a good question so Ill answer it as best I can, why bet -450 bets when there is actual edge to be had else place.

diaz vs bj is a recent example. Any one that knew MMA knew BJ had one shot at some thing on the ground and ZERO chance upstairs, the one shot on the ground is retrospective I admit but in it was logical that was going to be the case.

What shot does Bisping have here? Where does Bisping excel, he is not going in vs a guy that is going to tire in 2 rds right? Sonnen has just faced one of the greatest strikers to have ever lived and was in to the fifth rd, are we saying here that Bisping has the smarts and power to do any thing to Sonnen

If Bisping got into the cage with Silva what is the result?
If Bigping gets into the cage with Sonnen what is the result?

I think there is some value on Sonnen at -450, example I think a unit bet of 1 or one and 1/4 is sensible. I think thats fair.


If you are a proper mma better your face and the words that come out of it should not even be talking about -450 bets, your going to drop 4.5k to make 1... there is better odds at roulete playing 3rds.


This kind of fight is about being an mma fan first, this is tidy match up Bisping will be gunning for a while and will have some tricks no question but Sonnen is above Bisping.


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i dont see how anyone could bet sonnen at these odds. Ive never been a bisping fan, but it seems like the only bet you can make is bisping +350 or whatever. no sense in betting a 6 to 1 favorite. Just gotta hope for an upset here.

i would literally bet sonnen at -700 or less. Bisbing is never going to ko anyone so his only chance is to win a decision with strikes. That will be mighty hard as he will spend the majority of the night on his back. Sonnen will take him down at will i also disagree that a proper mma bettor would never bet a -450 fav. A proper bettor will bet where ever they see value.

agree on wherever theres value eg couture toney 2 you'd bet couture at -800 or whatever

but sonnen isn't a perfect fighter he has ways to lose

ill probably leave it alone, but if you're betting a -400 fav or worse your fighter either needs to be fighting a can or have no holes in his game and this fight is neither of the above

edit: oops swoopae here on friends acct

big bet on rashad,
big bet on weidman
big parlay on all 3 favs.

apex, ur fkn joking about BJ/Diaz right?

BJ was clowning on him before he gassed, just like he does to every single other fighter.

WHY IS RASHAD STILL -170!?!?!?

Yeah, no one was getting subbed in that fight and the only unknown factor was how far could BJ's cardio take him.

"apex, ur fkn joking about BJ/Diaz right?

BJ was clowning on him before he gassed, just like he does to every single other fighter.

WHY IS RASHAD STILL -170!?!?!? "


how can you retrospectively know now what you know now about that fight yet post that? BJ IS GONE MAN HE IS OVER, THE TRAIN HAS LEFT, ok... nick Diaz is a beast man the guy is insane on the feet he is a punsher, on the ground he is good man, there is no open easy way to beat him there and his cardo is out of this world, as rogan said guy blazzes up and does triathlons for kicks.

look your talking about an all time great in BJ, of all time yeah Im not disputing that but credit where credit is due, BJ penn was never going beat diaz, he had a slim slim chance to get him early doors on the floor right, he had some window there thats how he could have beat diaz but never ever in a million years was BJ going to trouble diaz on the feet seriously

Look at what you have writen, BJ was clowning Diaz... yeah and your pocket is empty because you dont know whats what, im not saying I get it right even more than 50% of the time but in my opinon saying this BJ penn, past it, over, in there with what might as well be the devil, you are silly, even a prime BJ penn would be going to the 3rd and stracting out some kind of hit and run points win if he was lucky,

I dont know man, to me that fight was obvious that fight was free money, that is the kind of sht Id love to see week on week with people like you voicing about how BJ has a chance.

What was even the odds in that fight was BJ the fav in it? I dont even remember.

it goes to show you some one can hold a purple flag up or what ever and you see it as what it is, but the next person will say nope it ant purple its orange.

heres a good one, if BJ and diaz fought again, and BJ was +125 would you bet him?

Ease down on the crack.

lmfao @ retrospective "predicting" of Penn/Diaz. You musta sold your house and your car before that fight so you could put it all on the line right since he was "never going to beat him." I mean come on, Guillard was NEVER GOING TO BEAT MILLER LDO WHAT WAS ANYONE THINKING EVER BETTING HIM SO FKN OBVIOUS OMG OMG OMG BETTING ON MMA IS TOO EASY WHEN THE FIGHT'S ALREADY HAPPENED!!!!

I would say his main flaw is sub defense i'm just not sure the count has the tools to take advantage of that.