But this has really turned out to be really good. I'm liking where we ended up.
Ivr has slowly but surely revealed his true nature and a large part of what makes him tick. And what makes s lot of people like him who are big Trump slaves tick.

And all because he's trying to make his arguments.
A deep hate and a deep fear of black people. That's what drives his motivations a beliefs. They are mostly based on fear and hatred and insecurities.
Lol

Ivr, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you. You are the victim.
Not black people.
The victim of your little mind.

Sorry if I rubbed some people the wrong way.
I really don't like insulting people.
But ivr has called me numerous times, without provocation a clown and numerous other deragotory terms.
I guess even though I never really considered myself growing up in the streets, I guess I sort of did.
Maybe that's why my reactions are sometimes sort of emotional.
I guess you can leave the streets but the streets never leave you.
I'm the Boston version of Maradona!
And ivr, I think you're a little messed up in the head, but I don't hate dood. Heck, I don't even know you. As a matter of fact, I hardly hate anybody, not even black people.
What's wrong with me?

lvr, when's the last time you got a hug?

rub n tugs don't count

i notice you didn't answer the question

and at the risk of engaging you in conversation, i literally have no idea what you're talking about, you're just a douchebag in general that nobody in particular likes one bit, to think i have a personal sleight against you for specific reasons is ludicrous, nobody here likes you at all, it's not some conspiracy, you're just a douchebag

swoop, what about abbos?

I made the mistake of saying I won't even acknowledge that this guy exists and then once again engaging with him. And embarrassing myself in the process I guess. So the jokes on me. But I'm glad I'm not the only one here that dislikes him. What does it tell you about a guy who's persistently wrong about everything.
What does it tell you about a guy who posts some random protest video in the mma thread that has absolutely nothing to do about the conversation there.
I don't know. This is some messed up blank. I would say the best course of action is, if nobody here has the authority, or feels the need, to ban this guy, then at least everyone just ignore him from now on.

He only seems to be here to needle people. It's like some implanted troll from some diabolical origination. The dude is nothing but some creep.

@rickroll what do you mean specifically? Police have been targeting aboriginal people forever, I have very little respect for Australian law enforcement either having had nothing but negative experiences with them as a law abiding upper middle class white guy, I can't imagine how poorly most Aboriginal people think of the police here. I've had the police lie to me to try and get me to implicate myself in a crime I didn't commit under the guise of me helping them solve a crime, i've tried to report arson (with two witnesses where we both knew the perpetrator and saw him commit the act and could ID him) and they basically told me there's nothing they could do... and this is with me being an upper middle class white guy. I know a woman who was a witness of domestic physical abuse and stalking who reported a guy breaking his restraining order multiple times and the police told her they wouldn't do anything, she easily could have been killed if some of her male friends didn't protect her from the stalker.

I can't imagine the rage that black America or even Aboriginal Australia feels against the police for the systematic harassment they endure. I'm well and truly in the **** the police camp based on my personal experiences with them and I come from basically the most privileged group there is short of being a billionaire or whatever.

There are no good cops if the 'good' cops protect the bad cops.

@rick nah that's the floor i live on

yesterday was pretty crazy. sad outside all night and thought it was fireworks, but it turns out people got shot by circus circus.

downtown getting destroyed.

aria is safe tho!

@swoop, i just like making aussies really uncomfortable, mentioning abbo is a really good way to do it, wasn't even trying to talk about specifics as i don't actually know any just that single word is meaningless to us but a very polarizing one where you live

but then i win back their hearts telling them about my encounter with drop bears

@sigs disappointed, thought i finally modeled something right

good to see the SB mods are alive and well

lets pour one out for performify, the only useful mod this forum has ever seen

yeah I'm the crazy one to point out that 200 black people dying every year to police "brutality" doesn't seem all that bad lol

even if every single one of them was innocent it's not even something to waste your time on



this is the reason black people are being held back and oppressed every time they walk outside?

what's even worse is that this is a sports betting forum where people model for a living

corona virus alone has done more damage than this lol and going by cuck logic they should all be getting infected soon after congregating in such large groups for hours on end lol

yo sigs you gotta be careful naga , dont go ousside.

you should have some kind of a plan, in your case a model to beat this Justice for George destruction should it come to your penthouse.

I will assist...

My best advise it to put together a home-made antifa costume, super simple, you need black turtle neck, black super tight jeans and some designer wannabe army boots.

Just hang in your bathroom until they break in, when enough people are in just come out and proceed to run around chanting justice for george while breaking random stuff in your apartment and loot a bit. walk outside and grab an uber.

keep us posted, gluck!

lvr you do realise that there are many times more white people than black people in America right and those raw numbers are meaningless

Not sure of exact numbers but a quick google search shows up

Black or African American: 12.6%
White: 72.4%

so thats about 5.74x as many white people

Revising those numbers for say 2019 at 370 white people and 235 black people, you get

370 white vs 1350 black people if we extrapolate the data

Which means black people were 3.6495 times as likely to be shot by police as white people last year

3.69 times as likely using the 2020 numbers

The lowest ratio of any year is 2.8x as likely in 2017 and the trend seems to be increasing for the percentage of black people shot by police compared to white

Regardless of what colour any suspect's skin is though police brutality and racism are both problems and black people are disproportionately victims of the police.

Swoop, Why did you mention that dreaded name again?
It's a waste of time. You might as well be talking to a wall.
There are more deaths in America by police each year than total homicides in most western countries. Forget about just black deaths by police. The whole system needs to be changed. And it has to start with attitude and mentality.
Homeland security chief Wolf was on This week with George Stephanopoulos and he repeatedly talked about, law and order, the violent protesters, and even mentioned several times about people defacing monuments. That seemed to particularly bother him. What monuments is he talking about? The confederate monuments, like the Lee statue, and all the others that the majority of public sate officials said they will dismantle?
Obviously, with people like him still in power, nothing is going to cha

Question for the bleeding heart libs here: if the fact that black guys are 3x more likely to be shot by police than white guys means that cops are racist, does the fact that black people make up 13% of the population yet commit over half of all violent crime mean that they are inherently more prone to crime and violence? I don’t see how you can have it both ways.

Criminals interact with police a lot more than non criminals. Black people are statistically and factually more likely to be criminals than white people. So it stands to reason that cops will have way more interactions with blacks than whites, correct? So that 3x number means nothing. It could very easily be the case that cops are even less likely to shoot black people than white people when you account for average interactions with cops by race / average crime rates. And actually according to a recent study done at Harvard by a black professor, that does seem to be the case.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/pu...lice-use-force


https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/74573...minority-suspe

And you know in today’s climate, esp in academia, they’re looking HARD for any evidence of racist cops, so this should be taken pretty seriously.


Im no cop lover and the thought of an agent of the state choking anyone to death in the middle of the street scares and angers me. We do have a problem with police and police unions in this country. But it’s not a race thing - it just isn’t.

Washington Post has reported that for 2018, last year of nationwide data available, 9 unarmed black men and 19 unarmed white men were killed by cops.

Justice for George Floyd and his family.

you guys are having a good old time in here

Poogs is back baby.

Hi Poogs!

Poogs, we all know those statistics. It's sort of lol that you guys bring that stuff up all the time. Com on man!

I'll paint a scenario for y'all.

Imagine for a moment you're black. You're a Harvard grad and you have a nice job.
You're in Central park in New York City bird watching. You get into a disagreement with a white woman. She calls the cops accusing you of being hostile and threatening her.
Cops come over. Who they going to believe? so you find yourself in jail and eventually in prison. You come out a convicted felon. Bye bye job. You aren't even aloud to vote anymore. Next thing you know, people see you trying to sell cigarettes, or even worse, trying to pass a fake 20 dollar bill. Poogs, aren't you glad now that you're white?

Discrimination and lack of opportunity. Poverty. That's what leads to crime. Countless studies have shown that black people on average have something like only 5% of the wealth of white people in this country.
And don't tell me that black people are more violent by nature than white people.
Take a couple of hours of your time and study some history. Europeans are by far the most violent and warlike people in the history of the world.

That's all i'll say on the matter.
Once again. Welcome back and have a nice day!

Does anybody here honestly think that what happened to Floyd is ok?
If so that's pretty fvcked up.
And you're trying to win the moral highground?

that's not the point of the discussion here lol

we have people appealing to logic with facts and data

then we have you who brings up one incident to paint a broad brush at the 180k police departments of the US

there are outliers everywhere in life but trying to come to stupid conclusions with that is ******ed

you understand that right as a sportsbettor?

like I said to swoop before who seems to not understand my point is that there are over 300 million police interactions every year and from that 200 black people die

what's percentage here? why do black people act like they are in a war zone every time they leave their house? why do they act like millions of black people die every year to police brutality?

corona virus alone has killed more black people this year alone than the last 50 years of police brutality lol

the whole point of BLM is to save black lives right? doesn't the protests take away from that if corona has done so much damage?

coronavirus seems to be an afterthought at this stage lol

The root cause of black people committing more crime is poverty, which results from generations of institutionalized racism dating back to slavery

I do think that the massive in person protests right now with Coronavirus going on are a net negative if social distancing isn't being followed as it'll lead to spread of the disease - I support the protests in general but it's absurdly risky for anyone to be out in a crowd given the uncontrolled spread of the disease in the US

NZ is officially covid-free now and my state in Australia is very close with no new cases most days and only 3-4 active cases at the moment, two Aussie states are still getting single digit cases most days but we have a chance to eliminate it too

I still can't believe American both managed to have a catastrophic outbreak AND had lockdowns that failed entirely to contain the problem when other countries managed to succeed with lockdowns. USA #1 indeed. Somehow managed to take both the economic damage and the human life toll.

Obviously I agree Corona is a much bigger problem than people being killed by police, but if the US police force was demilitarized and trained properly and bad cops were weeded out instead of protected and reassigned they'd certainly kill less unarmed people in general, and obviously less unarmed black people as well.

According to a Washington Post article today, "Shutdowns prevented 60 million Coronavirus infections in the U.S., study finds"

I have only read the headline but I'd have to believe it until I'm convinced otherwise.
So I don't think the U.S. totally botched it. And I'll even given credit where credit is due. Trump did eventually follow the experts recommendations and must take some credit. But he knew about the Coronavirus months ahead and did nothing until it was almost too late.
Black culture has evolved different in America. Mostly because of segregation and discrimination are black communities poorer and more crime ridled. It shouldn't take a genius to put 2+2 together.
Policing has been part of the problem. When black people are disporportionally arrested and jailed, for crimes that white people would only get a slap in the rist for, like having marijuana on their person. Just take a look at what caused some of these fatal cases that have now become viral. Garner was selling contraband cigarettes or cigarettes without a permit. The guy in North Carolina was shot in the back because he was stopped for a traffic violation. Floyd the same. These aren't serious crimes that someone should have to lose their life over.
Think about how ludicrous this all is. The results are unimployment , poverty and eventually crime.
Those thousands of protesters last week all over America are protesting for a reason. Imagine how desperate you must feel when you know it is a risk of catching a disease but you do it anyways.

Wrist
Learn to spell people!

The biggest irony of the day isn't my bad spelling.
It's that this president it seems will unwittingly accomplish the opposite of what he and his base imagined would be accomplished with his presidency.
Who would have ever imagined 3 and a half years ago, there'd be a place in Washington DC named Black lives matter?
Great job Mr President!

See this is what bothers me. Literally no one thinks what happened to him is ok. The militarization of police and the ridiculous spending on policing are absolutely problems, as well as police unions. There are plenty of problems with police in America. But this whole movement is completely missing the mark IMO.


Also hey guys what’s up