Hi not sure if this is best place to ask this. Anyway since last year I been placing at local bookies that I found through family. The offer is 30 mins before game time they would text all odds at at 1.952(-105) I think they use somewhat Vegas or bookmaker but sometime i think a little bit off. for ex. they would send batch of college football 12 pm game at 11:30 you get 30 mins to place bet close at 11:59. Once the line is text to you it doesn't change unless they text saying that specific line is change(rarely happen only twice I seen it in 1 year). I guess with just pinnacle/some other sharp line I could line grind and edge out tiny edge. However I know that market isn't always efficient and that just by doing this it not the best way. I would need somewhat to understand a bit of handicapping or looking at trend. Anyway my offer is if someone is serious can team up to place bets. I am willing to escrow w rep. if trustworthy is an issue. Obviously I handle with all the bookie. pm me if interested or free to search my post history to see if i am legit.


p.s another bookie I got offer is always at 1.909 line but they would send at 11:30 all 12 pm up to 3:30 game etc so there always a batch there 2-3 hour early and line wouldn't change.

What you have there is a license to print money.Personally if i had found a gold mine i wouldn´t share with anyone.
Look at Pinny Line figure out your edge,bomb half kelly(or a bigger fraction if the limits are to low for your BR) until they stop sending you text messages
Good Luck

So far it is going well by just doing pinnacle-vig to figure out edge and doing 40-60% kelly. However one of the problem I am having is I think some time there are way too much action being lay off by books on pinnacle which cause the market to not be as efficient. I would end up bombing away on those edge. or cases where it seem there to be no edge but in reality books are holding position and there would be big edge. I guess this problem is mostly for NFL as I think college market are usually efficient. Thinking of doing this for Nba also

You are turning this into a complex process and in my opinion you should maximize this opportunity with maximum effort and resources.Nfl is not efficient?i am not an expert in American Sports but when you have dozens of thousands as maximum bet allowed(just on Pinny)you will be more than fine in fact i built my BR betting on Challengers,Handball Champions league Etc.IME when you have a max bet available over a few K you should pound on any off number you can find.
Just don t overcomplicate DonJuan and do this alone,you don t need anyone to help you here.

I'd be interested to hear some opinions on turnover vs softer early lines. In a high volume sport like soccer you can potentially turnover your BR many many times during a week at the cost of betting closer to game time. On the other hand you can bet well in advance into softer lines but in some cases it will tie up your money for days or even the whole week.

My gut tells me that going for as much turnover as possible is better.

your gut is right,thats the SB essence turnover as much money you can w/ positive expected return on your investment.
You will have a little more variance with that approach,but line value is line value regardless of the time before the game

http://www.aussportsbetting.com/2010...alue-of-money/

Anybody arb NBA RSW lines? I saw some biased lines, but with the time value of money not sure if they were worth it.

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I'm in a pool where a Pittsburgh win (straight up), and an Eagles win on MNF (also straight up) nets me $1000. What do we think about hedging/middling options?
I've got a few hundred online to play with. I was considering an open parlay with the Bengals +4. Obviously, if Pittsburgh covers, that $100 is lost, but then I could press up with $200 on the Redskins +4.5 on Monday night, maybe even splitting the bet with some on the ML to get a better return if the Skins blow the pool for me.

Anything I'm missing?

$1000?

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Anyone know what the standard odds in Vegas are on a 4 team 7 point football teaser?

Thanks

I've been away from Vegas for a while. Someone can answer with more recent info. But it used to be +200 with some places only being +180. I have no recent info.

noob question but does anyone else find it difficult to keep track of all their bets and do proper bet sizing when they place like 50+ bets a day?

For sure. It's very Poogsian of me, but I just keep a back of the envelope tally and err on the side of under betting. Glhf staking optimally when you're betting every possible side/total/derivative on the board at varying prices. The opp cost of being a nit is large.

That is optimal. The calc is computationally impossible. And practically irrelevant.

thanks a lot

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When I look at an NFL line where the home team is a dog, pk or <3 favorite, I like to put it in the perspective of what that line would be if the location were switched. However, I'm starting to wonder if my conversion is wrong for medium/big home dogs.

I calculated my table of conversions by looking at the % value of each point and making the swing match the % swing when going from -3 to +3. With that method, I compute:

PK at home converts to +5 on the road.
...
+3 home = +7.5(extra charge) on the road.
...
+6.5 home = 14 road
+7 home = 15.5 road
+7.5 home = 17 road
...
+10 home = +20 road

But if that's all true, then there's a surprisingly high number of crazy soft lines. The Pinnacle closing lines seem to suggest that, for instance, +10 converts to substantially less than 20.

So is my method flawed? If so, what are the real conversions?

the old idea that nfl hfa is worth "bout tree points" is just a very rough estimate. it shouldn't be used for anything precise.

work in terms of win%, not point spread.

figure out the home teams neutral field win%. then adjust win% to account for hfa. convert that win% to a point spread using historical outcomes. ez game.

If an nfl game on pinny is listed at 13.5, and i can get 14, is this always going to be +ev?

What about half a point on a total?

Easy to make money when you prey on the weakest in the population.

We are coming for you, Denise.

Too broad of a question to answer. Depends on juice. And points in NFL are not all the same; IE moving from 3 to 3.5 is a bigger move than moving from 10.5 to 12, even though its only a half point vs 1.5 points.

Totals are different. Only way to know for sure is buy/make a push chart using past scores.

Actually while on the subject, I would be interested in buying one thats up to date.

5k for accurate scores/lines from last 5 years NFL. lmk