No funds were transferred. The guy gave a name that was nothing close to Brian Laverty. Tomatoe doesn't know who Brian Laverty is and didn't do any due diligence. One bet was placed and won. That's the extent of what went on here.

He says he's paying so we'll find out if he's Brian L or not haha. Brian L says he is paying and then doesn't. It's all part of his MO.

Well you mentioned earlier that you had evidence of some kind:

Are you able to now produce that evidence?

the best part of all this is that brianL started the whole convo. What did you think was gonna happen Brian? Anyone would actually side with you?

Never been banned for anything other than trolling. Please disprove. I, in earnest, do not know of a single person I've done a dirty to ever. My reputation is pristine, other than the aspersions that a ghost casts against me.

What have you done?

NB: I got 500k on credit with another heavy hitter. And recently I asked for 100k+ front from another, dunno how much rope he'll give me. But we'll find out (prob not actually, thanks last 2 days).

Maybe!

Really? Would you like to crossbook some action? You've always have a solid mouth. Lets throw some cash down.

My unit is currently 23k. I know Pinny doesn't have limits that high, but I'm sure for a broke dick like myself we can work something out.

Good logic! Hbob-esque. Are you his father?

Sounds like you are contradicting comments you made before.

Welp. One way to know!

As an ex-scammer, do you think the PO/tomat disclosure is reasonable for outting?

I must confess. I didn't ship a buck last month. Does that remove me from heavy hitter category

#team pls advise

Not as accomplished as you sir but I've gone a whole 5 weeks without losing my rent moneys

Being a massive online troll doesn't really help your public persona. Post-Oak on the other hand has done a great job of maintaining his public reputation and as a result has built credibility and trust w/ "heavy hitters"

Not brian but I had no idea you could bet more then $500 on a team total anywhere. Oak and I talked and he showed me that you can get upwards of over $1k at some books which is why I am agreeing to pay. I thought the limits on TT were similar to props and apparently I was wrong.

But can anyone answer this.. I can bet $1k on a team total at betonline but can't bet more then $100 on a CBB total.. how does thi make any sense?

Pretty much none of this is how it went down.

Tomatoe said he was looking for a local in mass. I bet with one. I talked to tomatoe and got him an account set up. Tomatoe comes out firing on a prop for a high amount on the website before I was able to edit his limits. The local goes on his account at halftime of Seattle/ari and credits tomatoes acct with $300 and $450 fp instead of $750. Tomatoe doesn't make any more bets going forward.. the book gets pissed off and won't pay because it appears to him that he was taking a shot. Now,as the middle man, I'm trying to make it right by making weekly payments,

I bet around 30x my rent per play. So if I'm really betting anything, and it doesn't win I'm almost certainly losing months and months of rent. But this is pretty par for the course.

You seem to think that reputation is built by making dishonest accusations against other people, proving incompetence at basic vetting, and somehow getting scammed with the assistance of Bruiser 2x in a couple months. That is quite the resume. I meanwhile just toil away in the comfort of mediocrity.

They are similar to props and grouped with them frequently. The limits are similar as well. This doesn't make any sense.

Credit loss does occur. I haven't seen anyone legitimate come forward and say I will never transact w/ Post-Oak or Tomatoe again because they got taken in what has become a very common scam.

Really? Cause I know a person tomatoe approached for a transfer before he got scammed for BTC. He was turned down. I guess you're vastly overestimating your own knowledge and your general knowledge of the situation.

Please reread some of your blindly naive posts about how they would reveal the scammer in due time, yet we still don't have them posting any, literally any evidence that the person accused was behind it. Not even the most basic of information. Surely because they are both honest and trustworthy bros!

But keep on blindly white knighting. You may even be a sock puppet. Honestly hard to tell at this point.

No sane person would ever do any sort of transaction with bruiser.

I can think of a good 20-30 people that would transact w/ Post-Oak and Tomatoe (w/ Post-Oak's vouch) myself included. People make mistakes and Tomatoe was on the wrong side of a scam which many sharp poker players have fell victim to in the past.

If there was a name behind the scammer I would imagine and hope that they would come forward and out them. I suspect the most logical scenario is that they do not know who the actual scammer is and as such they don't have nobody to out. There are quite a few folks who have tried to figure out who the "hackers" and middle man scammers are to no avail. In the situation they were in it's clear that Josh wasn't co-operating/proving his innocence and as a result had to push the process forward by outing him.

lol

Sharp poker player makes no sense.

Except it isn't Josh's responsibility to assist in someone getting robbed who is a moron. And they accused him of being the scammer repeatedly with no evidence. You still don't seem to get this.

To be quite honest, from my side of the table. I see a bunch of people who are small time poker pros making ends meet explaining how to handle large transactions to people who do this on a daily basis who aren't poor. I literally do not know a single person who has gotten cucked like Bruiser has via BTC xfers or BrianL credit scam. But again, I deal with non-peons. I guess if you're publicly posting to xfer low five figures to save a few bucks here or there, this happens.

If you go through the list of folks who have fallen for these scams you have a number of well-educated professional and recreational poker players who have done multiple 4-6 figure transactions.

How is it not Josh's responsibility to prove his innocence? The scammer utilized Josh's 2+2 account and twitter account. At an absolute minimum Josh should have to prove that it was indeed a scammer and not himself. My guess is that they were forced to post because Josh was not cooperating.

There are a number of sharp sports bettor who simply aren't as well managed as the Thremp syndicate. I know of other guys who will happily take a $750 paper loss in pursuit of opening and trying to maintain accounts. Not everyone has perfect information like you.

Well educated yet utterly naive. They are falling for obvious scams.

Because we don't pillory people without any evidence? Nor do we require people to do remedial due diligence for us. Coupled with the posts in the thread that clearly indicate Josh was not willing to provide vouch information other's requested indicate it wasn't him. Also, PO/Tomatoe have failed to provide basic vetting information (IP address) that almost certainly indicates he was hacked. I consider the lack of transparency on their part utter dishonesty. But you obviously seem to think incompetence and dishonesty are normal everyday activities.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who fall for obvious scams run by well known con artists. Great way to paint the issue as something totally different than what actually transpired.

These aren't "obvious scams" - but yes they can be avoided. Tomatoe made a mistake - fine this doesn't count against his trustworthiness in the eyes of most (not all since members of the Thremp Syndicate have apparently decided they will no longer transact w/ him???).

Josh's 2+2 account and twitter account were all used as part of a scam along w/ a reference/partial vouch from someone who apparently knew him (jasbral). At an absolute minimum he should at least co-operate to exonerate himself and protect his reputation. Additionally, he's a poker player and this took place in the poker community so at a minimum he should have made some type of public statement which I find surprising he failed to do. PO/Tomatoe both seemed very open as to the fact set of what occured - what additional transparency would you liked to have seen?

If you're taking positions where you have a massive edge and are trying to maximize the funds you can place on a wager then yes there are people who will open as many accounts as possible to do so. Not everyone has "heavy hitters" to backstop their positions and plenty of folks who try to get credit w/ the maximum # of PPH operations will eventually lose out to credit risk. Even with your "heavy hitters" some credit risk applies. Clearly Tomatoe/Post-Oak aren't as great as you in putting down large bets because they aren't as smart & organized as the Tremp Syndicate. But hey there's more than one winning sports bettor out there.

how could brianl scam him when he has every post i ever made printed out and bound in a book and i was on the brianl/sharky scam from day 1

Who woulda thought that Bryan Laverdy would also be Brian Laverty???

i wish i had that book, it would make a nice chanukah present for me. for now i make do keeping it in my head and my heart. he gave me a different name and i didnt take the time to research much. my plan was to start small and see if it worked.

Off the top of my head:

1) What is PO's involvement? He has never clarified this and repeatedly inserted himself into discussions where he has no apparent interest other than a sock puppet similar to yourself.
2) What were the results of the IP query?
3) I'd like to see the conversations that resulted in Josh's lack of assistance. If I had to guess, Bruiser was being Bruiser which obviously resulted in a lack of desire to help anyone... He has a certain... way... with people.

I think 1/2 are mandatory to have any sort of legitimate claim. The third would go a long way to clarifying this. You seem to think that people should be under obligation to assist people in their investigation when they are unable to actually do any basic due diligence on their own. If Bruiser/PO had actually posted literally any of the trivial evidence they could look up (or ask to get looked up), then I'd consider their complaint having any legitimacy.

And ya, I guess contacting known scammers to open credit accounts is something you think is normal. This harkens back to my "sharp poker player" comment. But I guess if your game is to find locals who hang bad prop/TT lines, this is part of the deal.

I can't speak to anything beyond was Post-Oak/Tomatoe posted publicly:

To respond to each point:

1. I'll turn this back on you - why does Post-Oak's involvement matter? Please generate 1 scenario where this is relevant to what happened.

2. That's on Tomatoe to release - not myself. I do agree w/ you that if they do have some information that could prevent future scams that he should post it but as I mentioned before there are reasons why it shouldn't be released. There are multiple scenarios where it makes sense to acknowledge you're investigating without releasing facts/evidence to the public until the investigation is finalized & closed.

3. I have no clue what Tomatoe told Josh. I think if anything it should have been on Josh to make a public statement - not Tomatoe to post all of his chat logs. With that said I think Josh was innocent but he still needed to prove his innocence and if creating the thread was necessary to do so then I believe it was properly handled.

Regarding BrianL:

That's not at all the fact set that was presented by either side.

1) Because he is a sock puppet. It is obvious why people who claim to have been scammed, but never actually release information are considered dishonest. All he has done is make baseless accusations against people with ZERO involvement or evidence. So ya... sounds reputable.
2) The idea that any sort of investigation is going on is absurd. You are the only person who thinks either of these folks have any ability to figure this out. Somehow they go from naive and easily duped poker players to Batman overnight after they got scammed. Again, zero evidence other than an accusation.
3) Again, Josh isn't guilty until he is shown to be. Bruiser probably attempted to shake him down (the purpose of his HSNL thread). If someone did this to me, I'd tell them I would not be assisting them. From my perspective, Bruiser and PO are the only people who have been proven to be dishonest in this entire encounter, further reinforcing my views of both of them.

Actually, considering he got an account, the max bet an off market TT... That is literally exactly what happened. Try getting a clue. You seem to be really good at posting outright falsehoods in an effort to somehow sock puppet Post Oak and Bruiser.

1 - you didn't answer my question it's irrelevant.

2 - thats like your opinion man

3 - If Josh's accounts are involved in a scam and he isn't smart enough to make a public statement on it that's his own fault. Maybe Tomatoe said something silly - maybe he didn't?

Anyways this seems to be getting no where. I think the end result here is that P-O & Tomatoe still have a strong reputation in the Transfer & Betting threads on 2+2 and that won't change. And I don't take anything you say at face value but you aren't trying to transact w/ me and what I think of you doesn't really matter to you so life will go on.

JPB,

You are myopic.

There's a world much larger than 2+2.