I'm curious on the bolded (emphasis mine). How were there 24 error lines on the opening day of MLB? That seems like a historic mistake, but I'm not an expert. Curious what others who know more think.

I have no idea. I didn't even know what an error line was until this mess.

After getting stiffed by you and your bookie friend, I am making less than you. It's one thing for the bookie to stiff you but its clear you're in on it with your bookie friend and sticking up for him here when you're both in the wrong.

I did not cheat, and you and your bookie friend collected money when I lost, and did not pay me out $7800 when I won. I asked for proof or to let me know which bets were "error lines" but also that was ignored.

No one got greedy, we got lucky with one play that we hit for max and we hit it many times over.

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@ChicagoRy how it works is we're able to see all lines across the board live and hit lines that we see are off.

For example if Yankees are -150 across the board and we find a play for Yankees -110 or better, we're going to hit it.

It's that simple and we do it better than anyone else. There's no cheating.

You need to stop saying I stiffed you. That's an absolute ridiculous claim.

NYC bets lines where something significant has happened in the game and before the line adjusts, he bets the old line, thereby creating an enormous edge. These are error lines. All 24 of the bets placed on opening day were live error lines, which NYC KNOWS.

He knows exactly what he does and knows it's against the rules. Furthermore, he knows that if this is detected he doesn't get paid out. The bookie pays the site a higher level of service to flag when this type of betting is taking place. The site alerted the bookie that NYC was placing many bets on error lines throughout the afternoon.

NYC says I am in on it with my "bookie friend". LOL. What I wanted was this to go undetected for the whole season and for us to clean up. But once it got caught, I 100% understand why the bookie voided the bets. What NYC did was explicitly against the site's rules. The bets, winners and losers, were voided. Just like anyone in their right mind would do. BTW If someone bets error lines through normal sports books, they actually free roll the player, by counting the losses but not the wins.

Whether someone considers what NYC did to be "cheating" is irrelevant. It's against the rules and he knows that. It's totally within the bookie's rights to void the bets.

I don't know what he means by I collected money when he lost. WTF? NYC and I were on the same side. When he lost, I didn't get anything from that. That's a ridiculous claim.

I didn't ignore his asking which bets were error lines. I told him all 24 bets from opening day were error lines.

Using a software to bet error lines is against the rules. NYC knows this and gets accounts closed and bets voided constantly. Nobody got stiffed.

Just want to say, knowing nothing about error lines or rules of cheating or what not, there is almost 0% chance you are being scammed by AngerPush. If he recv'd money he would have paid you. Anything outside of that I cannot comment on.

Source: his 10+ years of escrowing/betting/settling large sums flawlessly.

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Wtf are the rules on this site?

How is this allowed?

i dont think this thread should be allowed

but how are you gonna say this is a tout?

it appears to be the complete opposite

Lmao what?!?!? Bro did you actually just say he cheated the book and broke their rules and you never would have done this if you had known beforehand?! Your entire arrangement breaks the books rules. In fact its you whose most breaking the rules here because its your account(with your friend of all ppl that youre putting in sharp action).

Im editing this bc its late and honestly had no idea really what you were talking about with error lines. Figured that was some random terminology your "friend" used but I now understand it better. It seems that you havent produced anything to back up this claim whereas hes claiming he bets primetime stuff at gametime and live bets. I think its more likely that the book realized the action is sharp and that is what theyre saying is not allowed and youre agreeing with them as if you didnt know thats what was happening. You needed to take the line that its YOU betting, so how could it be sharp as your friend knows youre not a sharp. Seems you folded and let the book scum both of you. Its asinine you're trying to act holier than thou and like this guy is doing some shady scumbaggery that you will not be a part of. Everything about your arrangement is you being a part of it!

However I do think if youre truly getting stiffed by the book then its a wash, unless you explicitly hv'd for all the action. Which would be very brave of you given youre letting the fate of that be in the books hands. However you definitely should have been able to get any bet that was accepted and won paid out. Its very very very rare for a book to void an accepted wager in a situation like this. If they decide action is sharp theyll shut down after the accepted bets are finished. Ive only had one book ever refuse to pay out accepted action(Layne Flack, he didnt like that I talked back to him when he told me my action was sharp and so he cancelled 8 bets).

If I were you I would have taken a very serious line with your "friend" whose booking the action as what hes doing is very scummy. However it seems youve taken his side in this bc he said software was used and thats against the rules. Of course software was used. The bets get placed when the line becomes +ev at any of the books that theyve got action at.

Until you can get specifics on this "error line" thing and the 24 bets I think you really need to get your friend to pay or do some compromise. Or have a very transparent convo that nyc can anon and verify you arent blowing smoke. Blocking him aint it

thank you for chiming in and addressing this in a rational way.

bookies don't know or have proof we use a bot to place bets. an account can get flagged only 2 ways:
1. same account has sign ins from multiple places at same time.
2. multiple accounts under same bookie are getting a bet at exact same time.

even if this happens once, you can have a good excuse... but multiple times- its a sign of botting.

we've been doing this for 8 years and have measures in place so this never happens. the bookie would never know if Angerpush didn't tell his friend about it.

the so called "cheating" bets could've easily lost and we would've paid out in full. the bets were not voided when placed- instead they were voided after the bets won. thats a freeroll by the bookie.

either way i've moved on from this, i wish Angerpush well and he seemed like a good guy - just handled this situation poorly. could've made things right but decided not to.

Once NFL / NCAA starts it's going to get VERY GOOD and if you have accounts lets get them setup now during the slower MLB season so we can start crushing in Sep!

The bookie pays the site for an extra level of service which includes the site flagging bets that are error lines. They got in touch w me and told me to stop betting which I relayed to NYC. He kept betting lol. The bets were flagged before they were graded. No one was freerolled.

These bets do not get paid out by bookies and NYC knows this.

I handled the situation perfectly. The bets were rightfully voided and no one was freerolled.

NYC is a scum bag for wrongfully claiming I stiffed him. No one was stiffed and he knows it.

^ There goes another lie

The voided bets were on the Yankees game which started at 1:05pm EST

The "STOP BETTING TEXTS" were sent at 6:05pm EST after game was done.

The bets DO get paid out by reputable bookies and we barely ever deal with this nonsense because we work with reputable people.

You handled the situation as worse as you could.

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I took another look at these plays and see that this was the first day of MLB and we were up $1228 before that. So why wasn't that paid?

This is a rhetorical question. Don't waste anymore time on this please.

The site got in touch with the bookie before any games were over. The bookie then had to contact the agent, who had to contact me who contacted NYC. Yes, by the time I told NYC to stop betting the 1pm games were over. The voided bets were 24 bets. Several different games. About 6 of them. Not just the Yanks game. This is a complete fabrication.

After the 6:05 texts to stop betting, NYC's partner with the software continued to bet error lines.

Error lines do not get paid out by bookies when they catch them. You are used to breaking the rules and getting away with it. You still broke the rules.

What do you mean you were up $1228 before the 1st day? Meaning that week?

Opening day was Thursday, March 30th. You made 1 bet that week that wasn't voided for $500 on another book. You were paid for this win 2 weeks later when we settled up.

You continue to make up complete lies.

You actually know this bookie lol. He knows all about you and the scam you pull and you two are in each other's network.

I called you and left a vm to call me back and discuss this level headed, instead of you posting lies and continuing to bad mouth me.

NYC and I have come to a mutual conclusion on this situation.

I recommend users using him as a partner and fully retract any negative words about him. He retracts any negative words about me, especially the part about me incorrectly stiffing him. Once NYC posts to confirm this, I consider this manner closed.

Confirmed ^

AngerPush and I have spoke and settled this and I think he is still good to work with.

Can anyone tell me why this thread is still available on 2+2?


goddamn joke

me saying Hi to Zeta was deleted though??

so you run this subforum?

why would you allow this?

youre both complete losers and scammers if you gave your accounts to him

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COMPLETELY UNPREDICTABLE that this would have gone south

anyone reading this thread, i'd recommend not working with NYC's Finest. his conduct in this thread seems pretty shady. if you work with someone and bet line errors and those bets get canceled, it's totally unreasonable to expect the person you work with to pay you for the canceled wagers. this is simple stuff.

This stuff never happened with the old guys back in the day. Peeig, JB (the ringleader), calm, RSigley, rito, TomG, b00T, MT2R, Iowa!...say what you want about those guys, but none of them ever scammed.

When did things get this bad? Personally I think the death of this forum was when Poogs did a well and then turned it into begging for accounts. The old timers would have never done a thing like that.

Appreciate your feedback.

We have 900+ accs brought to us from all over the world so what we're doing works. We're always up front with our partners and tell them how it works.

Unless you're a scumbag bookie, you will pay out bets and then close the accounts. If the bookie is your friend and you tell them you are working with a team, then there's a chance they'll not pay out and use that as an excuse.

There is nothing shady about what we do unless you consider it shady to have an edge against the bookie.

Any other questions let me know.

No, I don't mod this subforum at all.