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Old 09-06-2020, 02:57 AM   #11951
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

yeah given the platform (ky derby) that had to be one of the most awe inspiring stretch runs. i thought it was apparent to the naked eye coming around the turn (and what you'd expect given fractions) that TLL was moving up comfortably and was going to distance 4-6 lengths from rest of field. he almost did that, but authentic hung in really bizarre fashion. my default assumption would be baffert wonderdrugs but it did seem like speed was holding tough... anyone see serengetti empress? crazy ****, especially given how hard authentic had to sprint to make hte lead. wow.
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Old 09-06-2020, 05:19 AM   #11952
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

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Kentucky Derby.......................parimutuel handle...............................WinPlaceShow Pool




2020.......................................$31,110 ,660


2019........................................$65,37 6,107


2018........................................$62,33 6,448




2020 action less by more than half compared to prior years

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Old 09-06-2020, 06:07 AM   #11953
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wow. guess thats what you get with no 100k+ in attendance

crazy that Tiz the Law would've paid the same to win as he did to place #efficientmarkets
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Old 09-06-2020, 11:05 AM   #11954
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Kentucky Derby.......................parimutuel handle...............................WinPlaceShow Pool




2020.......................................$31,110 ,660


2019........................................$65,37 6,107


2018........................................$62,33 6,448




2020 action less by more than half compared to prior years
Contract bullshit leading up to the Derby had a lot to do with that... Along with the attendance at not only Churchill but every other track that holds Derby Day parties.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/i...utuel-wagering
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Old 09-06-2020, 11:29 AM   #11955
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yeah given the platform (ky derby) that had to be one of the most awe inspiring stretch runs. i thought it was apparent to the naked eye coming around the turn (and what you'd expect given fractions) that TLL was moving up comfortably and was going to distance 4-6 lengths from rest of field. he almost did that, but authentic hung in really bizarre fashion. my default assumption would be baffert wonderdrugs but it did seem like speed was holding tough... anyone see serengetti empress? crazy ****, especially given how hard authentic had to sprint to make hte lead. wow.
I honestly think it was one of the better stretch runs that I can remember. With the Derby I've gotten so used to the pace setter not being able to hold up. It was nice to see a horse who at the turn was probably 20-1 in-game not lose his lead and hold on. Very game performance.
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Old 09-06-2020, 12:18 PM   #11956
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yeah given the platform (ky derby) that had to be one of the most awe inspiring stretch runs. i thought it was apparent to the naked eye coming around the turn (and what you'd expect given fractions) that TLL was moving up comfortably and was going to distance 4-6 lengths from rest of field. he almost did that, but authentic hung in really bizarre fashion. my default assumption would be baffert wonderdrugs but it did seem like speed was holding tough... anyone see serengetti empress? crazy ****, especially given how hard authentic had to sprint to make hte lead. wow.
I find it odd year after year the early speed doesn't fade. IDK how these horses go 46 and then don't get run down late but I guess thats what happens when the best horses normally make the lead.

BTW TTL ran a great race. The winning time was 12 lengths better than American pharoah so it was a solid time for the race. Mr big news was a shock to me for a clunk up to 3rd. I tend to liberally include horses underneath when i make tris with a favorite in 1st...... I didn't include mr big news on any tickets due to fact his pps looked pretty bad.
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Old 09-06-2020, 03:10 PM   #11957
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I think Franco thought Authentic was an afterthought and was more worried about a horse coming from behind and not the horse that was right in front of him. Cant blame him as I don't think given the trip, anyone saw Tiz flattening out and Authentic staying up top.
Hey B3 nice to see ya man,and your right was a confident peek back for sure not a whats riding up on me look,he for sure thought that,i thought that,NOPE Authentic was game he earned it
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Old 09-08-2020, 07:24 AM   #11958
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crazy that Tiz the Law would've paid the same to win as he did to place #efficientmarkets
he paid $3.20 to show almost as much as he would have paid if he had won - $3.40.................................(-:/





new ridiculousness from twinspires.com





maybe it's not so new - I just noticed it a few days ago

next to the odds they display a number under the abbreviation PL

I had never before heard of PL

here is the Twin Spires explanation:


"Profit Line odds are provided for all North American thoroughbred races (not available for harness and foreign races). There are countless ways to use Profit Line to help you make winning bets. The horse with the lowest Profit Line odds is deemed to be the most likely winner according to Profit Line."


so, basically they claim they are giving the true odds on the entries
and I seriously doubt they have adjusted them after scratches not that it matters


so, I scoped it out and it looked totally out of whack to me - absolutely useless


it looks like they are trying to show cappers how helpful they are but in reality this thing is anything but helpful
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Old 09-08-2020, 09:31 AM   #11959
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I'm looking for info about stewards foul/interference rules for the different race tracks. I have found this from NYRA tracks

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With regard to interference, New York is a “Category 2” state, meaning that Commission rules provide that if the interferer is guilty of causing interference and such interference in the judgment of the Stewards has altered the finish of the race, then the interferer is placed behind the offended horse. The Stewards consider whether the riders of the horse or horses that are offended continue to give effort to the finish of the race. The Stewards also consider whether the offending jockey acted in a willful or careless manner while interfering with another horse or jockey, for which the interferer may be disqualified, i.e., placed last or unplaced in the order of finish. For example, if an offending jockey acts in a dangerous manner, exhibits extremely improper riding or impedes several horses, the Stewards may disqualify the offending horse without regard to the specific effect of the foul on the order of finish.
How many other "Categories" are there? What are the rules for them? What states/race tracks deploy the various categories.

Thanks for any help.
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Old 09-12-2020, 02:30 PM   #11960
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...ting-exchange/

Betfair quitting New Jersey

(Avg in-play traded volume is $5k-$8k a race in USA, compared to $200k+ in Europe)
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Old 09-13-2020, 09:55 PM   #11961
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I'm looking for info about stewards foul/interference rules for the different race tracks. I have found this from NYRA tracks



How many other "Categories" are there? What are the rules for them? What states/race tracks deploy the various categories.

Thanks for any help.
this was my first result from google

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There are currently two different approaches to adjudicating interference used in racing jurisdictions around the world

Category 1 states that Judges and Stewards may disqualify a horse only if it improved its finishing position because of that interference, or in cases of dangerous riding.

The Category 2 approach provides Judges and Stewards with the authority to disqualify a horse if, in their opinion, it interfered with another horse regardless of whether the interference was accidental, willful, or the result of careless riding.
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https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...ting-exchange/

Betfair quitting New Jersey

(Avg in-play traded volume is $5k-$8k a race in USA, compared to $200k+ in Europe)
that sucks. i dk how they were going to get a market going in new jersey alone (~10% of population as UK, and probably lower ratio of horseplayers and punters on the whole). really think they could be successful if they got a nationwide pool going.
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Old 09-14-2020, 05:41 PM   #11962
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Kinda off topic here but anyone here think they have the derby the first week of may in 2021? I think this years derby was awesome and all however I'm really hoping they have it in May in 2021 bc I feel its lame in the fall / messes up all normal race schedules (the travers, etc).

I think they may have it the 1st weekend of may if no fans are allowed and there is no expectation of fans later in the year. I think money will trump all and they will push it back again in 2021 though bc the derby prolly generates so much money for that area and on track betting,etc.
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Old 09-15-2020, 04:13 PM   #11963
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

so many unknowns for us as citizens and as sports fans.
like will the NHL regular season resume and when.
will baseball make it.
will football keep rolling, the Pats by governors order cannot have fans for the month of September.
Oct still no word....
My guess is they will want to hold it in May and take a wait and see approach and decide year end
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:45 PM   #11964
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so many unknowns for us as citizens and as sports fans.
like will the NHL regular season resume and when.
will baseball make it.
will football keep rolling, the Pats by governors order cannot have fans for the month of September.
Oct still no word....
My guess is they will want to hold it in May and take a wait and see approach and decide year end
The date was going alright Chuck,then she got within 6 feet of me,should of saw the red flags there,then we get back to her place and she tries sitting on my face without the appropriate nookie netting,so Chuck keep your $$ not interested in another...Back in 2 and 2
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