Your right on JK. Definitely doesn't appear to be any scenario at this time where someone takes it to him like JO did. Really thought Id be looking to beat Justify in NY. Not so sure at this point. I do think theirs a chance Bravazo tries to go. Hes done this in the past against decent company. Reminds me a bit of Gun Runner in the sense of where hes run; along with a versatile running style. well see if he continues to move forward as the summer progresses. I think someone has to take him on; its really the only chance the field has. If so; Ill be looking to Tenfold, BC, and to a lesser extent the Tapit. That Belmont Day should be a great card. Definately stands head and shoulders above the other two TC days.

Here is someone who knows what they have seen. +100 on this post

Sounds pretty similar to another BB trained horse who made it look pretty easy

We'll see in 3 weeks.

this is the first horse I think will win the triple because of his size and determination..but I must see how he trains in the next few weeks

Tyson was always doubted

I disagree. Almost all dirt racetracks favor early speed. The horse ran a quarter in 45.77 for the derby. To hold on and win like that is impressive. American Pharoah won the Belmont on the front end. If justify recovers well and runs a half in say 48-49 in the Belmont, prolly wins.

I will bet against the horse.... especially if we get a big field and some pace. I think preakness finish was due to good magic battling justify early. If justify has a loose lead in the Preakness, prolly runs away from the field late.

I really hope audible wins like I said earlier. Think he nails justify and at a price. The closets have no shot if there is no pace early in the race. My boy jack couldn’t close on a 45.77 half in the derby which is comical bc it sets up
For a closer so much. I feel the Belmont is normally run much slower than these first two jewels so we will see.

Justify/all/all with a nice payout.

Hilarious that Win/Place paid the same given how close the race was.

reason for that is everybody bet him to win. Every single person I was in line with bet him to win,not even thinking he could place or show



imagine betting a million dollars on him to win and he comes in second but you would have gotten the same payout if you bet him to place

For those who dismiss the surface factor at Belmont, I have a suggestion.

Pay attention to the results the first week of the Saratoga meeting, where front runners who quit like dogs in their races at Belmont suddenly "wake up" and win wire to wire at The Spa and pay often better than 5:1.

Sandy soil composition at Belmont makes it tough for quick striding horses to get a grip and is more tiring. The big wide turns mean long-striding closers have an easier time making up ground.

Justify may well be a super horse who can win on any surface, but he's not worth the price he'll be. Plus the pace is rarely true in the Belmont. They tend to jog the first half because of how long the race is.

Look for an improving horse with good breeding, good connections and a strong race over the track for your price play.

The perception of the public and the human race for that matter is to over react at what they have seen . This is why on this board and a majority of the public will declare Justify a freak or super horse . American Pharoah won the TC recently and now people believe it can be done again so soon and by the same trainer . Why? Cause it happened a few years ago.

I am not taking anything away from Justify he is a nice colt who has been tough to run down . The major problem here is he is not a machine . Horses go through performance cycles and his peaked and now is on the downswing. We have no idea of his true physical condition because Baffert would never say a word if the horse was hurting in any way So many have come to Belmont with a shot to do it and failed before him.

Think Unbridled running down Smarty Jones . Think Big Brown struggling on the turn . The key to winning at any game is learning from the mistakes you made in the past . The horse to truly key in on if he runs in the Belmont IMO is Hofburg. I will be using every horse though in the race besides Justify. No Value will be there and he will be over bet in every pool. Winning big money at the track is done by beating over bet public choices . It happens on a daily basis . Everybody wants a triple crown champion so they get this warm fuzzy feeling and start over compensating in there mind as to why Justify should win instead of the 100 reasons why he should lose.

Good horses can bypass a tiring surface lol. I agree that justify is a bet against but if the horse recovers with 3 weeks and doesn’t get pace pressure, expect the Belmont to be easy. This horse was pushed early in the derby and Preakness. If no speed comes on Belmont day, don’t expect him to fold at the end.

That 7th today at SA was a tough one and sorry for the horse and connections and TP from what i hear is moving the things he should and sore as hell and thank goodness for that...first jockey in space never saw one like that.

Think I'm going to take a shot against justify today in the pick 4. Feel like vino rosso, tenfold, bravazo, hofburg could lead to a solid pick 4 payout if justify loses.

The met mile is a hard race to cap. I think mind your biscuits is a play against coming back from dubai and adding a panel to the distance. I like one liner but feel prolly play is to get very deep in this race. Bolt d'oro gets a weight break and doesn't have to race against justify so could be tough at the distance.

The turf race before the belmont is probably my strongest hunch. I feel sadler's joy is finally going to get some pace to run at late. Jockey switch to castellano from the bumbling leperaoux makes me like his chances more. I would say include beach patrol also based on pure class and ability to improve 2nd race back from a layoff.

I wonder how justify handles a fast track. I feel he could freak and win big if no pace but we will see. Hoping the belmont track is tiring and he has trouble late. I feel it would be a lock justify loses if good magic was in and locked up justify early in a duel but i don't see this type of event happening in this race. best of luck to all others!

Belmont Park 6-9-18

3.) 1-7-2
4.) 3-5-7
5.) 3-2-4
6.) 3-2-5
7.) 3-9-1
8.) 3-7-1
9.) 1-5-11
10.) 1-3-6
11.) 1-10-4

Just the way it came up with my capping fellas but looks like keyboard stuck on 3 and 1 today by my eye. BOL to all itt and their plays.

Belmont 1-4-7/8 for the tri and $2 box on that also.

Took my shot. $20 exacta box 4-8-10

Tyson of horse racing knocks out another

Once again place bet paid the same as a win bet...ha ha ha

Bought both grass races 8 and 10 singled MYB and Justify in the late PK4 for $52...MYB did not disappoint just did not get there all credit to the #10 there for staying. Great day of racing in NY yesterday.

I guess i will give my take from all the hub bub following the race...Did BB's other entry and FG run interference for Justify? Why was Mr West "infuriated" with FG's decision to rush up the center as he did? Why did TP say that ALL week they had spoke to JC and had a game plan going into the race and THEN to have JC do something completely different come game time and only offer to TP and the connections as his explanation is he called an audible? Called an audible? Why did FG's agent have no explanation for his jockey's decision also? FG comes out of this for the worse in the long run,JC without TP is Martin Garcia imo. No one in that field was going to beat Justify even on the square Saturday BUT have to also have blinkers on re-watching the race not to see a pattern of too coincidental of actions by riders imo.

Who needs vet's vet bills etc to "cheat" too easy a way to get caught reputation tarnished hand goes numb from a bad buzzer etc and too big a paper trail to boot...be much easier to "cheat" by using jockey's who will ride a race like we saw Saturday because really they can offer any half azzed explanation and then that is that...Imagine you owned a solid shot game plan it over and over and then your rider goes and calls an audible not because of a bad start pushed wide or any other reason a sufficient reason an audible to be called but because jockey wanted too...Buy your own damn horse then dikhead because be damned you ever set on mine again....Once your word does not mean chit you do not mean chit.

Who needs vets and paper trails when even the most incompetent of rides and efforts can be explained off as simple as an audible or any other bs reason.

20:20 Windsor - Garrick

That race was shady. SHouldnt be a surprise casetallano gave a comical ride on a WinStar horse. Also think the ride by Florent Geroux was a joke. I had Vino/ hofburg in win bets and my lost pick 4. This is why horse racing is a joke of a sport. People can’t really question results. If noble Indy pushes early, I feel race ends differently. I like audible for the travers. I will always root against justify and Baffert going forward

I'm more with RB on this topic. Horse owners have more excuses on why their horse didn't win than a shark's lifetime of teeth.

It's a mile and a half race and I didn't see anybody get checked up anywhere. Gronkowski ran a great line/race and had no shot. Vino and hofburg had a clear shot at Justify on the far turn and there was just no way they were going to catch him.

IMO this doesn't approach the shady/cheating line. If a horse owner wants to be upset with a jockey/trainer for a ride/strat that's their prerogative and free to go elsewhere. If you can't handle something relatively minor and unexpected during the race you didn't deserve to win.

Curious what others think of Justify as a triple crown winner. Is he a special/elite all time horse or just the best of an average class who didn't run into an Arrogate type at the Belmont?

agree with this thinking, especially the part of owners (as well as trainers and jocks) having a million excuses.


to paraphrase my trainer, and I think this applies here...

" there are always excuses as to why you lost or didn't run well"...

"we missed the break..."we got bumped or checked or cutoff"...

"he/she didn't like the surface"..."we got a bad ride"...


" but at some point you realize we're just not good enough"


as far as justify, he looks the part to me. he looks to be a big powerful colt that has a high cruising speed that looks smooth and easy. probably would have to do some more to prove he's an all-time elite.


one of thirteen triple crown winners is already pretty elite, imo.

DNF like your points and jacksquat great to see you again itt...The both of you just flattered what i was saying...If you can pass off a chit ride by any number of industry supplied reasons at any time and any race and the explanation is suppose to be acceptable and jockeys are not held responsible by connections or owners then this will always be the perception imo.

Of course there is going to be some strategy going into the last leg of a TC race with it on the line i have no direct info BUT i would imagine it would be like trying to break up a guy tossing a no no you want to be the one to break it up so never said i blamed BB for tactics or strategy BUT extremely unfair to the betting public on a day they back a horse thinking he had a shot but never really having one at all.