nevermind, scratches.. be back later...

Okay.. Santa Anita Late pick four friday afternoon.

5) 3-4-7
6) 11
7) 2-3-8
8) ALL

$108 TOTAL

YTD (-340)

#7 scratched in 5th race.. replace with #5.

Same cost.

plz to be hitting. I love how you're not gonna hit the first 3 and brick off the 4th leg though .

here's my cheap ticket:

$36

5) 3,4
6) 11
7) ALL
8)13,14

buh bye

Ugh, 16:1 shot blows it up.

Guess I'm playing poker early tonight...

Very impressive win today by Quality Road over at GP. Todd had QR ready today,and this horse has always been capable of that kind of performance,he has done this before he was injured early 09. Glad to see TP was able to get that horse back to being gate right.

Yeah, broke his own track record and crushed a decent field. If Summer Bird can come back from his injury, this will probably be the best group of older males in a bunch of years.

Super Sunday.. took a look at the late p4 at Santa Anita today and it looks like it is a four digit payout easily. Large fields and lots of value. Made a fairly large ticket today. Here goes...

5) 2-3-6-8-9
6) 1-4-8-9-10
7) 2-8-11
8) 2-3-7-10

$300 (YTD -640)

Can one of you S Cal guys explain whats going on with Santa Anita. I thought the new proride surface was supposed to be all weather. They had to cancel yesterdays races because of rain while the PGA got their round in at Riviera just down the road.

They said last year that the proride doesnt drain as well as Tapeta or the cushion track. Here is an article from jan 2009.

Word is Santa may switch back to dirt. I for one would love it if they did.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...o-ride-surface

Scratches are in and the 6th race is off the turf. Amend ticket as follows...

5) 2-3-6-8
6) 1-3-4-6-8-9
7) 2-8-11
8) 2-3-7-10

$288 (YTD -628)

This Ron Ellis horse in the 5th is scaring me a bit.

Put the $12 that I saved from scratches of him to win.

$12 to win on #1 in 5th.

YTD (-640)

Of course the #1 wins and pays $16.

brings the ytd to -544

Enjoy the super bowl guys!

yo kevroc. can u explain why u dont use horses in your pick 4 but then u place win bets on them?

Of course.

The #1 wasn't on my ticket and it would have cost an additional $72 to add him to it. I did not like the horse enough to spend another $72.

As post time drew near, I started to fear the horse a bit.. It got some action at the windows and Ellis is to be respected.

So I threw a few sheckles on him just in case. Fully hoping that he would run up the track but, he busted me.

At least I got $96 back. Roughly 1/3 of the day's investment.

Most of the time I use win bets on pick fours is when I am alive to monster payouts in the LAST leg. I will then throw some cash on the long bombs that are not covered, to guarantee a profit where applicable.

There is an interesting question that I would dearly love to know the answer to.

I hope someone in this thread may be able to provide an answer.

Shergar won the 1981 Epsom Derby by a record 10 lengths. This race has been going since the 18th century so this is saying something.

However, I have noticed that the winning time has been bettered by every winner bar one since then.

How can this be explained?

I thought maybe the distance had become shorter but that is not the case.

I also thought perhaps Shergar was eased up at the end, which may or may not be the case, but that would make all the other horses phenomenally slow.

The only other answer I can think of is that the ground conditions were atypical that day.

Any and all help appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

ok, thanks. makes perfect sense.

I just watched the video of the race and although the fractions were not posted, it really looked like they were walking out there. Especially given the fact that it is a mile race with portions downhill.

Swinburn looked back for competition like three times and nothing was coming. I think he was in shock. He even put Shergar under wraps in the last few yards there!

I think this race's time is an anomaly. A statisical rarity. No one fired that day.

For the conspiracy theorists.. the horse did meet quite the mysterious demise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shergar

Thanks for the response, Kevroc.

It could be that just as in General Elections you only get a HUGE turnout when it is close whereas when it is a forgone conclusion you get far fewer voters turning out yet get statistical records being set that because the pre-Derby betting had been clear that no horse but Shergar would win (they stopped taking bets on who would win at some point) that no-one really tried as Shergar was always going to win it.

I dont know about not trying, just outclassed.

On shergar's wiki page, they talk about this race and the second place jock thought he won and was thinking about how this was his lifes dream realised and then he noticed another horse on the horizon. lol

In the last two or three years, I believe someone associated with the kidnappers admitted to having killed him.

An almost as bizarre story is unfolding right now. Last night news broke that Grade 1 winner Thorn Song is dead, and in fact was already dead at the time that his trainer said he was being aimed for last year's Breeder's Cup.

It now appears that he may still be alive.

The case appears to involve bank fraud, potential insurance fraud, and centers around the bankruptcy of the Zayat racing stable. Too complicated to write up all the details...especially since most of them still aren't known.

Always best not to write up the details before they are known UNLESS you are a journalist in which case it is compulsory.

LOL. Yeah, I guess I didn't phrase that well. What's known of the story is too complicated for me to provide all known details. And to provide them would be almost pointless, since so much remains unknown.

In any case, the trainer definitely believe the horse is alive, although he appears to be out of the loop. The owner says the horse is alive but that he's not allowed to reveal any of the details. Only in horse racing is there such an amazing lack of transparency about the stars of the sport. Last March, Well Armed won the Dubai World Cup by 14 lengths. He hasn't raced since, and nobody really knows for sure if he's 'officially' been retired. Actually, maybe that's a bad example...not much different from Brett Favre's situation each year.