I have a feeling this Kentucky Derby will be the least wagered on, and ratings the lowest in 20 years. Triple Crown last year hurts more than helps imo.

It is very likely your dad is a loser, if he doesnt understand poker or see its value he doesnt know math or profit. Horse racing doesnt have as many pros as poker by a great margin, there is also the infamous take but that seldom matters being most everyone loses, you have to be the winner to pay that. Also major computer time is needed unless you are a gifted genius but if you were you could beat poker also , so again he has no real chance.

I am not sure I agree - in fact, I def disagree.

At 12%, its probably sustainable .. as a trial anyway, for a lot of vested interests.

For the punter, your return will still be better than the tote pool . and, if u are a foreign account holder, who pays premium charge, the commission is irelevent.

Its a major benefit .. to take a fixed exchange price, or be able to offer odds on horses, u want to lay.

Its a new way of betting .. on top of which, will be the ability to bet/trade, 'in-running'.

Am sure a lot of overseas interest, will acccrue.

Markets overseas pay 8% tops at most...I know the benefits and preached them forever...I am of the opinion it was introduced to fail in the states and why it is set up at Monmouth only...It will not generate enough interest imo to the average punter or horse player...If i am wrong i am but i do not think so.

Better chance at Online Poker in CA added to Horse Racing to be a bigger and more significant boost than an Exchange Wagering platform with a 12% on winning wagers in NJ. See who was more accurate this fall i suppose.

Will definitely be using this one as well. Out of sight out of mind should equal a nice price. Probably the best bread for distance of all these. Think he lost the head bob too what will end up being one of the best of this generation in Outwork.

15% angle Wood board to Derby board. GL with Tnation that will certainly pay stacks.

Oaks derby double. Land over sea/ nyquist. Land over sea gomaggiego/ nyquist 7 others. Rachel LOS GMG WNM/ Nyquist destin gunrunner exagerator

Horses on my watch list for the derby win...

Nyquist
Exaggerator
Creator
Mor Spirit
Destin
Shagaf

Any horse you draw a line through?

Shagaf is slow and I see no reason to think he'll hit the board in the derby


*Kick Out The Jams*

Two I have a line through are Lani and Oscar Nominated.

Was going to put one through Trojan Nation but I'll now take another look, just because of sgvoak.

I always try and toss 10 horses in the Derby and then build my bets from there. Really tough to do this year though.

There's a better chance *Sexually Transmitted Disease's* will spread faster in Jersey than Exchange Wagering.

Speaking of sexually transmitted disease's I see some of you talking about *Trojan Nation* he won't b on any of my ticket's.

Sure he finished 2nd in the Wood but he *Hugged The Rail* all the way around the track you think he's going get the same trip in the derby?

All I can about him is he'll b a big price horse

*Kick Out The Jams*

https://www.boydsbets.com/money-bet-...entucky-derby/

I'll take the over. And a mint julep.

I have time on my hands... 2001 revisited.

Exaggerator = Monarchos
Creator = Invisible Ink
Nyquist = Congaree
My Man Sam = Thunder Blitz
Mohaymen = Point Given
Brody's Cause = Jamaican Rum
Suddenbreakingnews = AP Valentine
Mor Spirit = Express Tour
Whitmore = Fifty Stars
Lani = Millenium Wind
Danzing Candy = Songandaprayer
Gun Runner = Balto Star
Shagaf = Dollar Bill
Destin = Keats

How about a comparison to 2012?

Nyquist = Bodemeister

KY Oaks PP with favorites getting the 11,12, and 13 spot im looking for a bomb.....will still play ex and tri's with land over sea and Rachel Valentina....but throwing out Cathryn Sophia.

Synth for Aqueduct??? Are they out of their F'ng mind? This sport man its like Corky from F'ng Wonder Years is the head of NYRA...Is the $$ you make for the few days that are missed for the few days each year of weather worth the top prep races meaning nothing and avoided now in AQU because oh i dont know maybe there are not any run on Synth now for a reason almost like the Triple crown is run on dirt on the connections would prefer preps over it...F'n Corky...Not the 1st time NY either your one F'd up state man...Next thing you will try to tell someone sizes of drinks they can have...Panzees in charge of a great state.

Sure i got my sitcoms wrong but Corky is right and was ranting good

Im down to 3:
Nyquist
Exaggerator
Outwork
I wouldn't be surprised by any on your list wearing the roses.

Shagaf will "shag off"

Unless the post position draw seriously screws Nyquist, Exaggerator, and Mor Spirit, they are going to be showing the way.

NYRA think tank here...How about the moron at last yr's horse symposium damn thing who said he wanted to run horses in the street you know to bring the races to the people......These are the sharpest minds? Give me a F'n break man. Sport needs one big big bytch smacken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aee0Ydz74

I get to NHC and damn well know i will rock those moves

Now surely the Governor of New York won't want any part of forcing horsemen to breath that synthetic **** to save a few bucks like Flint Michigan tried to save on water.

My final thoughts before post position draws Wednesday afternoon.

I think the Arkansas Derby had the best overall field, and was one of the best prep races. I'm giving some added weight to those contenders.

The Santa Anita Derby was a wash so it's hard to quantify. Have to respect them though, they look great. Like Danzig Candy. I guess he is hoping for pp 2 to 5.

The Florida Derby gave some real credibility to Nyquist. I'm really turned off of Mohayman by that race, and how he acts in training.

The Blue Grass, not real impressed with the field. I'm not discounting Brody's Cause though.

The Wood, nothing special. The Louisiana Derby, nothing special.

The Maiden, forget it. Looked so stupid at the track Tuesday. I hope this horse doesn't screw something up for somebody else.

The Supplemental, the only claimer in the race, he's going to need his best race by far. I'm not throwing him out 100% though cuz his trainer jockey are on a little hot streak.

The foreigns, I haven't had a chance to really look them up.

This ^^^

Like you were peaking at my notes...Really liked the runner up in the ARK Derby and i always pay attention to anything coming out of this route to the derby.

Bytching and griping over just this sport makes it too easy some days and living less than 10 miles outside Flint with our own water system i still drink bottled water. Water could come out as white as snow from the pipes in Flint and turn to Bud Light at 10 pm and could not imagine a damn person who would drink that crap man. Same people who ignored it fixed it? Seems a recipe for success

Have my write up probably Thursday evening. Just going to wait till post and go over a few things. I have a feeling the track will play different on Saturday with the temp going up 10 degrees than Oaks day and have been watching by eye to see if i am picking anything up these next couple days.

Nyquist dosage index- 7.00 outwork- 11

Think you have to toss outwork and nyquist is an avoid. If nyquist gets an inside post and track is playing super fast, I think he can win (prolly with an outside post) but I'm going to play against him. Don't want a 7/2 in a 20
Horse field that to me isn't insanely great.

I really still like Mohaymen. Not sold on him obv and he prolly loses. No one has really spoken highly of him so I'm expecting his odds to be a solid shot. I like him at 10-15.

I also think the horses out of Cali should be given a lot of respect. I like mor spirit and Danzig candy more than exaggerator. I think exaggerator won due to a muddy track in sa derby.

Finally I would love to see gun runner get a solid inside post. Flo geroux will get him a solid inside trip and that horse imo looks like he can get a great stalking trip. I think with all of the closers, going to be toward front of the field on who gets first jump to win derby. Pace will be slightly quick but not insane as only 2 real speedsters. I expect Danzig candy to take lead and prolly set semi quick fractions (maybe 46-47.2) with outwork sitting behind him. If those two duel, prolly opens race to a closer but don't think that will happen. Gun runner looked great pulling away from competition in two preps and flo geroux is a great jock obv that will put in a great ride unless post position comprimised.

Gun Runner is becoming a much talked about horse this week.

This is good. After he runs sideways in the stretch and finishes 8th we will hear that he "just never got a hold of the track." Underlay in my book.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Desormeaux is a great jockey, and that is what it will take to get Exaggerator to the finish line first after starting from the 11th post position. If Nyquist runs with him, that would make for a great battle at the far turn and stretch.

wow 13/13 for the redam oneil Mario g connections. my girls fav numbers are 13 17 20 . all west coast top 3 she will have win place and exacta box bets for sure. 1 thru 4 are all late closer types so geroux and gunrunner with be pace setters. mike smith has a choice from the 20 but if they want a really shot at 1st they will have to break fast and to the lead with gunrunner. super cool Mario in 13 great spot just break well sit behind 3 or 4 and no excuess if he is fit he will have the position. as much as I like geroux the jock and the horse a bit I see no option for him but to try to go wire to wire but his time was slow so I don't know about that. pps will be out tomorrow and its time to draw up the old oval on paper and put them in place