Going to bet the BC classic today even though I feel its hard to beat when you typically bet chalk. Probably going to bet some pick 3's with wise dan and game on dude and then pick a lot of horses in 1st race.

Tw.in.spir.es why are you so glitchy? way to be prepared. totally unwatchable so far.

All over Olympic Glory today. This horse has gotten better as the season has went on. Wise Dan is obv the one to beat but with the prices I have to go for the Hannon/Hughes combo.

5/5 for English and Irish horses need olympic glory and declaration of war now.

hey room hope everyone had a great breeders cup. hope we all made money it was a great day there weather was great time was great. lets see what happens for the last Hollywood park meet ever.

Spot Play*
Parx Race8.

$60 WP #3

$15 Exacta 3-4

$5 Exacta 3 w 1,5,10

$150 total.

This needs a lil more love

No good

Spot play** Portland Meadows Race10.
$50 WIN #3

$5Tri
3 with 6,7 with 1,2,6,7

$80 total

Loser

Hawthorne Race 3.
$3 pick3
1
2,7,8
1,2,4,6,11
$45

$3 pick3
1,5,6,8
8
1,2,4,6,11
$60

$3 Pick3
1
8
1,2,4,6,11
$15

Total$120

Been reading a lot of chatter since the BC about how Wise Dan is a certainty to win HOTY. I know that he is, but I'm not so sure it's right.

Don't get me wrong, Wise Dan is a really nice horse, and he fires every time out which you have to credit him and the trainer for.

But here's a thought, the Dude takes a lot of heat for staying on his coast and not going east (although in fairness he did go to W.Va. for the Chuck-town Darby or whatever it's called), isn't Wise Dan also facing fairly soft fields? I don't think that anyone can really dispute that Wise Dan is facing the B division (or even C or D division) of turf milers by staying in NA. If you look at his Beyer figures, yes they are consistent, but they are also consistently lower than the Dude's (by 5 and 10 points).

Doesn't that argue for the Dude as HOTY? Or at the least, for someone other than Wise Dan?

People are going to tell me "Not Wise Dan's fault that there aren't other great turf milers" but that's a BS argument, there are, he just has to fly 5 hours to England or Ireland and he'll have all he can handle. Conveniently, the same length of time the Dude has to fly from L.A. -> N.Y.C....

Anybody want to chip in their thoughts on this, or on other candidates for HOTY?

Your comments for Wise Dan to fly to Ireland or England don't hold any clout when it comes to the Horse of the Year Award. Its a North American award not a Global award. Just to add on to this a little bit... Dan has raced all over North America this year. Game On Dude left California once....but you want Dan to travel to different countries to prove himself? Doesn't make much sense.

This is a open and shut case. I'm not even a Wise Dan fan but no other horse should even be in the conversation. Game On Dude had his opportunity on Saturday to show he was deserving of the award on his home track and came up short.... again. It's not like this race was in Kentucky or New York, it was in his backyard.

Beyer figures are irrelevant when it comes to an award.. How did all of Game on Dude's Beyer figures translate when he faced a field who were running similar Beyers? Clubhouse Ride came in 2nd place in Game On Dude's first three races this season... Clubhouse Ride has 1 win in 9 starts this year. Then in Game On Dude's next two races Kettle Corn finished second and he has one win in six attempts this year. Then Game on Dude goes into the Breeders Cup Classic and he beat two horses.

I don't have to go far when looking at who Dan has faced... Just look at Za Approval... He has won three graded races this year. Dan raced at Toga, Keeneland, Churchill, Woodbine and Santa Anita. Won at every stop.

Sending a horse to a different country is way more taxing on a horse then say sending a horse from California to New York. When you ship within your country your not dealing with the extended quarantine process.

Could not have said it better my friend. Jus to reiterate, Wise Dan did not dodge any1. It was actually the opposite. There was suppose to b a match-up for the ages on the undercard of the 1st saturday in May, but Shug made an excuse cos of the soft turf and scratched. So instead wise dan gets ridiculed for beating up on Optimizer & not winning against better comp. And jus to reaffirm what the above poster said, Wise Dan deserves hoy hands down!! Its not even close. Had game on dude lost the classic in a thrilling photo finish or sumthin like that, maybe u would have an argument for him being hoy, but he got beat at his own game, in his own back yard & he was beatin soundly with zero excuses. He simply was not good enough!! I think there should b more love for Will Take Charge. Freakishly good race he ran & jus awesome to see Wayne in the big races again & I hope his colt sticks around.

Ask Eddy running again at Hawthorne on Thursday, Race 6, against mostly the same competition. Trainer says Eddy is really enjoying Hawthorne.

Morning Line currently 9/5. This is great for an owner, not sure if there'll be much value for ya'll.

A couple things:

I didn't say that I thought Wise Dan was dodging anyone, my point was that criticizing GoD's camp for NOT going east isn't reasonable, in the same way that criticizing Wise Dan for what can be perceived as the relative weakness of the turf mile division in NA wouldn't be reasonable. Each horse raced in a series of races that made sense, and won nearly all of them.

As far as the figures being immaterial, well that's kind of my point: shouldn't they be material? We are measuring who is the best horse aren't we? So in that case, shouldn't things like "who is fastest" be pretty material?

Let me ask the question a different way: if Wise Dan had entered the Pacific Classic or Hollywood Gold Cup (I chose these because he's had success on synthetic before and I can't remember his dirt record off the top of my head), what price would you have wanted before you bet on him? What price would you have wanted on the Dude if he had entered the B.C. Mile?

Theres tiny bit of merit to what ur saying. Las year wise dan ran 2nd on the dirt at CD to Ron The Greek & then he won on synthetic, so it was easier to name him hoy having run on 3 surfaces. Fwiw, wise dan has won G1's on turf, dirt & synthetic.

Also, the reason wise dan didnt go west is pretty simple. There wasnt enough quality turf races out west to campaign there. The turf racing is far superior in the midwest-to the east coast. Starting at keeneland in the spring, then venturing to CD, & then from there to Saratoga once summer gets here & then u haveArlington Mil, Woodbine, the united nations @ Monmouth, & few others at belmont once the toga meet ends. My point in saying this, is, it would make no sense for WD to go west, theres not any races for him. Delmar's turf course is awful (which is being replaced by a new turf course as we speak & will b ready to go next summer in the hopes 1 day delmar will host a BC) & theres not anything besides those 3yo turf races, oceanside, etc.

Eddy wins again! 4th win since 6/22. That's $27,600 in winnings (22k after trainer/jockey cuts). Unfortunately, somebody claimed him. Thanks Eddy, it's been fun.

Went off as an even money favorite.

People can choose not to criticize Game On Dude for not going East if they like but by staying in the West he avoided any type of real competition. I think I made it pretty clear in my last post... Wise Dan faced way tougher competition this year... It's not even close. Wise Dan went to different tracks in different states/Canada and won... Game On Dude left the state of California once. How does a horse that you are trying to make an argument for HOY not atleast go to Churchill (a course that he has raced at before) for the Stephen F Foster or Saratoga for the Whitney or the Woodward? How does that make any sense? They are three of the most prestigious races of the year for 3YO's and Up on dirt and Game On Dude skipped them all... Instead the connections have him stay in California to race against the likes of Clubhouse Ride and Kettle Corn.

About the figures... Be honest... How long have you been watching the races? I am going to guess a longtime... Given that you should know... Figures are numbers based off of the last race... If Game On Dude would have gone against class fields all year and put up similar numbers, then I would say those numbers mean something from a handicapping point of view. But when it comes to HOY they mean nothing and since he went up against easy fields all year... when it came to handicapping they were a toss as well.

Your last question doesn't make any sense to me... The bottom line is this... It's really simple... If Game On Dude would have won the Classic, then he wins HOY. But instead he decided to only beat two horses that day.... Therefore the award goes to Wise Dan.

I don't even know how someone can see it any other way... And that's not me being a Wise Dan fan.... That's me being a realist.

Spot play, Churchill Race10.

$50WP #11.

Romans has put 3 solid works into this horse & 3 maintenance drills since bringing this 3yo filly home from toga for the summer where she showed nothin, but things look live today.

Happy Sunday fellas had a few questions for some of the TVG users itt. I know Betfair is owner of TVG and with online poker in its soft launch and going full live on the 26th of Nov it brought a couple horse/poker questions to mind. I know there is a betfairnj site but why not if you ARE from NJ would TVG offer poker thru betfair right on their site. I am of the opinion this whole geo locate thing will be a pita all together and if you are verified thru TVG as a NJ resident thru them then you should have access. Then that leads imo to an easy compact ie they have now with the horse industry as a model. Just curious to different thoughts on this.

Also need R.Bush to rush over 65.5....it is Sunday

And having a weird memory that I do I should of never clicked on the Sklansky started thread this morning on USC line...WTF wiper I cant un see that man maybe ever,just hoping the filters caught that in my head

14% Takeout $1 Pick4 @ Portland Meadows

R7: 2-3-8
R8: 7-8
R9: 1-3
R10: 1-7

Ticket cost: $24

nice bet with bush, honcho, got it in good there for sure

Thanks pdiggz and GL on your PK4 man

haha, classic stuff.

try to play this on sundays, i think. maybe i'll even make it to leg 2 next week.

have a fun week guys.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Churchill Downs

$10 Daily Double Races 3-4
R3: 2
R4: 3-7-9

Ticket cost: $30

In R3, I think the Ramsey's are dropping this 1 to get an easy win and add to their victory total at the CD meet. Drops like this are sometimes concerning, but not here.

In R4, I really like the #7, but this is a low level 2yr old maiden race so who the hell knows. #3 is dropping in class, showed some improvement last time, has good trainer/jockey, and 2nd time route. #9 is just a longshot. drop in class, should improve with his 2nd start, 1st time lasix, reared at the start last time and lost all chance, stretching out here to a route, outside posts are good and if there is a battle up front, who knows.

Have a great day everyone!