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08-13-2013 , 10:20 PM
Does anyone think there would be interest in an online visual handicapping course?

In my head it would consist of classroom style stuff (less content) and recordings of post parades and horses in the paddock breaking down what to look for (more content). It would be an e-learning format with quizzes and such built in.

For example:
Step 1 - Watch the basics of visual handicapping video and pass the test/quiz.
Step 2 - A pre-recorded paddock view is shown and the handicapper gives his analysis. The results of the race are shown and a post race review is conducted.
Step 3- A pre-recorded paddock view is shown and you are asked different questions as interesting horses pass by.

Regular updates/content is added using interesting races from the week where visual handicapping cues could be thought to have played a role in the outcome.

No idea if there would be any interest in this, so wanted to know if I'd be wasting my time.

Last edited by chromakey; 08-13-2013 at 10:21 PM. Reason: spelling
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08-14-2013 , 12:05 AM
Just updating my horse ownership mini-blog: Races at Canterbury Park

Mundy runs Thursday in a 10k claimer that has her as the morning line favorite (4-1). Interestingly she's running against Perfect Fashion, a fillie that I lobbied the partnership to claim instead of Mundy (Mundy was claimed for $16,000, Perfect Fashion ran the same day for $6,250)

Ask Eddy runs Friday in a starter optional claiming race against the same field that dominated him last time. Running on hope imo.
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08-14-2013 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by chromakey
Does anyone think there would be interest in an online visual handicapping course?

In my head it would consist of classroom style stuff (less content) and recordings of post parades and horses in the paddock breaking down what to look for (more content). It would be an e-learning format with quizzes and such built in.

For example:
Step 1 - Watch the basics of visual handicapping video and pass the test/quiz.
Step 2 - A pre-recorded paddock view is shown and the handicapper gives his analysis. The results of the race are shown and a post race review is conducted.
Step 3- A pre-recorded paddock view is shown and you are asked different questions as interesting horses pass by.

Regular updates/content is added using interesting races from the week where visual handicapping cues could be thought to have played a role in the outcome.

No idea if there would be any interest in this, so wanted to know if I'd be wasting my time.
Night School every tuesday nite on drf.com its an interactive E classroom setting. This weeks class was handicapping turf races. Topic is different every week & its free to all. Talk to Kevroc, he's got 1st hand experience with this. He may even b able to send u somethin.
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08-14-2013 , 02:09 PM
Hey folks, jus wanted to remind everyone about the free "ShowVivor" contest starting today at Portland Meadows. Must be signed up & have ur pick submitted by 3:45 eastern. Jus have to pick 1 horse to atleast hit the board & if u do, u go onto the next day. Person who is last standing without an incorrect pick, wins $4,500
Register @ www.portlandmeadows.com
Cant beat free, GL all
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08-14-2013 , 06:15 PM
Ya I'm in the contest good luck to anyone else in it.

Speaking of contests I would also participate in a handicapped contest here as well, but idk how u would do it without software due to everyone can see posted pics and that doesn't work so well. But if u get one going I'll probly be in.

Played pick 6 at del mar today for a quarter.


5-6-8-10
1-3-5-6-8-9
2-3-6-9
8
4
2-4-7-10-11

Gl to anyone else playing.
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08-14-2013 , 10:56 PM
^^^ i think were gonna use fantasycapping.com
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08-15-2013 , 09:07 PM
on wednesday at del mar in the Green Flash H. (race 7 i think), that was a ridic DQ. i watched it at least a half dozen times and there was some bumping but horses bump in like 97% of all races. i was pretty surprised. i thought the #4 Distinctiv Passion was much the best and deserved the w.

anyone agree with the DQ?
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08-16-2013 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pdiggz
on wednesday at del mar in the Green Flash H. (race 7 i think), that was a ridic DQ. i watched it at least a half dozen times and there was some bumping but horses bump in like 97% of all races. i was pretty surprised. i thought the #4 Distinctiv Passion was much the best and deserved the w.

anyone agree with the DQ?
I do agree with the DQ pdiggz. Reason being, the #5 horse was going to be 2nd in the race if he wasnt bothered with by distinctive passion. When DS drifted it caused the #5 to have to stop riding momentarily & doing so the #1 was able to snatch up 2nd Where as if DS had never drifted, the #5 would have held 2nd & the #1 would have been 3rd. The stewards were forced to make the dq bcos of the #5 losing a placing. Easy dq imo. In cali there always gonna make a dq when somebody was cost a placing, but they will def let some other suspect bs stay up. Cali is only jurisdiction u can strike another horse with a whip & not b dq'd. Proof of that is prolly 10 years ago when jon court won the bing crosby & struck the 2nd place finisher with his whip, stewards did call an inquiry, & addmitted the 2nd place finisher was struck with the whip, but it did not affect the outcome of the race. Where as the drifting of distinctive passion affected the outcome of the race.
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08-17-2013 , 02:49 PM
yeah i didnt see any horse have to take up but i'll take your word for it. i realize if a horse loses a position due to interference or what not they place the guilty behind that one. what sucked for the #4 was no one was catching him and he didnt drift out much and there wasnt a lot of contact. to me it looked like a touch foul. but if the 3rd place finisher had to steady/break stride then ok.

i will say this jockeys are really terrible at keeping their horses straight these days. they seemed to do that a lot better years ago. maybe thats bad remembering on my part but thats how it seems.

who wins the alabama and sword dancer and arlington millions today?

good luck everyone! lets ship some stuff today
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08-17-2013 , 03:50 PM
This Saturday card at del Mar is such a joke. The racing secretary throwing all these maidens out there just to build a big pool for Sunday.

Does anybody really really like the one horse in the Del Mar Oaks today? I have not been playing the track enough to know how the fields run on the turf and from that one hole.
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08-17-2013 , 04:09 PM
Del Mar Oaks looks wide open to me.

#2 Discreet Marq has impressed me her last 2 races in New York. #6 has won 3 in a row included 2 graded stakes, 1 at this races distance.

Should get a decent price whoever you play.
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08-17-2013 , 05:52 PM
Princess of Sylmar very impressive there in the alabama.
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08-17-2013 , 09:30 PM
Russell Baze, the ironman of thoroughbred racing — Lou Gehrig on a saddle — was about to ride in his 50,000th start, an astonishing milestone that by happenstance put him aboard an undistinguished filly. The horse, Finish Rich in Nyc, had not won in nearly a year. “She’s not the one I would have picked for the occasion,” the jockey remarked dryly

excerpt from nytimes article if interested.

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013...t=introduction
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08-18-2013 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
Russell Baze, the ironman of thoroughbred racing — Lou Gehrig on a saddle — was about to ride in his 50,000th start, an astonishing milestone that by happenstance put him aboard an undistinguished filly. The horse, Finish Rich in Nyc, had not won in nearly a year. “She’s not the one I would have picked for the occasion,” the jockey remarked dryly

excerpt from nytimes article if interested.

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013...t=introduction
Read this earlier in the week... Its a great piece.
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08-18-2013 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
This Saturday card at del Mar is such a joke. The racing secretary throwing all these maidens out there just to build a big pool for Sunday.
Do you think there is something wrong with this? As someone who plays the Pk6 I love it. Just be patient and don't play it on days that you don't think there is a chance anyone will hit it and then fire on a carryover day... Not sure if today would be your day as there is three maiden races in the pk6 sequence but this is a must fire day for me as the pool will be to big to sit out.
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08-19-2013 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pdiggz
yeah i didnt see any horse have to take up but i'll take your word for it. i realize if a horse loses a position due to interference or what not they place the guilty behind that one. what sucked for the #4 was no one was catching him and he didnt drift out much and there wasnt a lot of contact. to me it looked like a touch foul. but if the 3rd place finisher had to steady/break stride then ok.

i will say this jockeys are really terrible at keeping their horses straight these days. they seemed to do that a lot better years ago. maybe thats bad remembering on my part but thats how it seems.

who wins the alabama and sword dancer and arlington millions today?

good luck everyone! lets ship some stuff today
if u watch the head-on replay again pdiggz, u will notice that 40yds from the wire, DS drifts out 3-5 lanes (although major contact wasnt made when doing so, It still kept the #5 from having a straight path to the finish line. If the #5 would have been able to keep his straight line to the finish, he would have held 2nd place, but that drifting of DS prevented it. If the #1 horse had never passed the #5 and got into 2nd place, there would have never been a DQ cos every1 would have finished in the places they were going to had they not drifted out.)

Also, ur not crazy in thinking that horses kept there course better back n the day. Theres been a new style of riding in this era thats really hurting our game & the stewards are jus now starting to do something about it. Its called "herding", & a perfect example is the DQ of DS. Riders figured out that if u didnt strike another horse or bump the horse hard enough to knock him off stride that u wouldnt b DQ'd so what they started doing is... For example, when a rider was on the lead in the homestretch and another horse was closing on there outside, they would allow there horse to drift out & see the closing horse coming & they get rite beside it & then instead of slamming into the horse, they get rite against it & herd the closing horse towards the outer rail. This intimidates the closing horse & it revitalizes the horse on the lead lots of times & since the jocks werent slamming into each others horses, the stewards allowed it to happen lots of the time. So two horses might b dueling in the lane & although they dont appear to hit each other, they end up in the 8 path at the wire when turning for home, they were in the 2-3 path. All the good jockeys do it, but were slowly starting to see the stewards get hip to it & make some dq's. Herding will soon not b tolerated everywhere. The Saratoga & Del Mar stewards have done a real good of policing it this summer. I jus hope stewards everywhere start doing it.
NO MORE HERDING PLEASE
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08-19-2013 , 09:26 PM
ATS always love the info you bring,herding I didn't know it had a name to it ,but have noticed this as well often. As for the stewards,and on your subj of herding,maybe they are doing a good job in your opinion,but after the phantom DQ to produce a carryover for the wed card a few weeks back,they have lost all integrity in my eyes,and socal has lost my business because of this. I watched that damn race a dozen times,first 8 or so to see if this IS really the race with all the static about it because I didn't stay to watch the last,and for them to try and tell everyone of us horse players,cappers,and fans what are you going to believe me the steward,or your lying eyes.......Im going back to cali, I don't think so...

Look forward to a big week and weekend at the spa
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08-19-2013 , 11:46 PM
ATS - great post. ive never heard about that before and im guessing thats because no one wants to talk about it. learned something new there. but that does make a lot of sense.

similar incidents with The Apache in the Arlington Mill on saturday and then Nellie Cashman in the Lake Placid at Saratoga on sunday. both DQs.

and i'm with you id like to see less of that. accidents happen but do away with the intentional stuff, its bush league. take jocks off weekend mounts and crack down.
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08-20-2013 , 01:56 PM
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ATS always love the info you bring,herding I didn't know it had a name to it ,but have noticed this as well often. As for the stewards,and on your subj of herding,maybe they are doing a good job in your opinion,but after the phantom DQ to produce a carryover for the wed card a few weeks back,they have lost all integrity in my eyes,and socal has lost my business because of this.
I agree, that was the worst DQ of the year Honcho. Im pretty sure ur referring to the DQ @delmar on sunday 7/21 in the last race?? That was the most suspicious DQ ive seen this year. Ive watched & followed so cal racing since i was a lil tike & that DQ decision on 7/21 & the NO action takin by stewards in this race here>> ( http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...naro-in-crosby ) are 2 decisions il never agree with. The 7/21 DQ should b investigated imho, its obvious that the DQ was made so there would be a pick6 carryover for the wed card & they wouldnt have to pay that 50k bonus to the winners of the pick 6. And its even more suspicious that this last sunday was the 1st sunday the pick6 had been hit & wouldnt u know, its the only sunday of the meet that Del Mar wasnt on the hook for that 50k p6 bonus, reason being is they dont have to pay the bonus if there was a carryover from saturdays card. Bonus only gets paid if u hit 6 of 6 on a non carryover sunday card. Maybe im looking into it too much, but it smells bad guys. Obviously the racing secretary is putting some extremely tough races together & then sequencing them in a difficult order, but if DMTC doesnt wanna come off 50k for a promo, then dont offer the promo. Executing phantom DQ's to avoid doing so is criminal!!!
So the 1 sunday that the bonus wasnt up for grabs, the pick6 gets hit. The other 4 sundays that the bonus was up for grabs, theres been a carryover with no winning tickets and 2 extremely suspect DQ's.
So, whats your thoughts? Is this chance, or is there sumthin shady going on here.
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08-20-2013 , 02:39 PM
I think the 50k carries to the Wednesday card. I may be wrong on that, often am, but the guys on TVG are usually saying that it does carry as well. I looked on the website and couldn't find definitive info on it though, so, idk.
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08-20-2013 , 09:09 PM
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I think the 50k carries to the Wednesday card. I may be wrong on that, often am, but the guys on TVG are usually saying that it does carry as well. I looked on the website and couldn't find definitive info on it though, so, idk.
Even if thats the case, it still smells bad, cos when they carry 200k from sunday to a wed card, it creates about an est 2mil of new money in the p6 pool, so at a 23.68% takeout, u think they give a flyer about a 50k bonus at that point? Not to mention the circus buzz it creates & then there getting that much more in handle on there vertical wagers. Wtf, now im more outraged
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08-20-2013 , 09:56 PM
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Even if thats the case, it still smells bad, cos when they carry 200k from sunday to a wed card, it creates about an est 2mil of new money in the p6 pool, so at a 23.68% takeout, u think they give a flyer about a 50k bonus at that point? Not to mention the circus buzz it creates & then there getting that much more in handle on there vertical wagers. Wtf, now im more outraged
Lol easy there tiger haha. Ya, I understand what you're saying, and I'm not defending the decision by any means. I got ****ed pretty good on that very call myself. I was just saying that I believe the 50k does carry.
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08-21-2013 , 05:14 AM
I didn't like the dq against the 6 in that race after watching it tonight. My problem with the dq is that the 6 horse has that lane in the stretch. The horse tires a bit and drifts out but gets back into the same lane b-e-f-o-r-e impeding the 11 horse.

It looks like Pedroza on the 11 even hesitates a bit before deciding on trying to go thru that opening, and im not real sure he had much of a choice there he had plenty of horse under him. Yeah its kind of poor timing he has all this horse under him, has opportunities open in front of him many many strides before, then just decides to run up in between two dueling horses 100 yards out.

We also don't know the current relationship between the jocks and the stewards, and if they have had recent warnings or not. That shouldn't affect a judgement call, but it is part of the process.

I wouldn't have called him down, but I can see the gray area where its a pretty close call. All these promotions do put them in awkward decision making positions as well.
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08-21-2013 , 09:20 AM
grenzen like your eye and take on that race and breakdown of it,when it comes to the stewards having an awkward spot because of on track promos I just see it as if the stewards even take that into consideration during their decision making then the whole damn thing is compromised period. On track promos should not affect a stewards decision ever,the fact that it WAS I saw it,almost every capper knows of it now,ATS broke it down perfect as usual,thats what I meant by the static about it. The decision was horrible,the reason of the decision is criminal imo.
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08-21-2013 , 06:33 PM
I really like a horse at the scene of the crime.

Race4. Del Mar
$40 WIN #5

$5EX 5 w 2,3,7

$1 tri
2,3,7 w 5 w 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9

Total $76
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