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Old 03-29-2009, 11:03 AM   #1
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HORSE RACING THREAD

To stop forum clutter, I'd like to keep all picks, tickets, comments etc.. regarding horse racing to this one thread.

Today, Sunday March 29th, Santa Anita has a $137k carryover in the Super High Five.. which is a wager consisting of choosing the exact order of finish for the first five to cross the wire.

I have handicapped the race and assigned my selections as A B or C picks.

A: 2-10-12
B: 5-8
C: 4-7-9

Next, I have constructed the following $1 combinations...

A-A-A-B-B
A-A-A-B-C
A-A-A-C-B
A-A-B-B-A
A-A-B-A-B
A-B-B-A-A
A-B-A-B-A
A-B-A-A-B
A-A-A-4-C
A-A-A-7-C
8-A-A-A-5

That is 198 combinations at $1 each, for a total wager of $198.

I hit this wager back in January for $6k.. I do not play it often but, when the carryover reaches six digits, you gotta go for it, imo.

Good Luck Everyone!
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Old 03-29-2009, 01:00 PM   #2
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Good idea Kev,i will put my capped card selections here,i will just date them when i post them,for example; Sun 2/29/09 Santa Anita....Good luck on the Hi5.
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:28 PM   #3
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With the scratch of the #2, the matrix should now read..

A: 8,10,12
B: 4,5
C: 1,7,9
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Old 03-29-2009, 03:30 PM   #4
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

Weird this was posted today as I was just about to ask about horse racing. My friend in Vegas was talking to some old guys who seemed convinced it was beatable and I guess they sold him on it, outlining some seemingly simple strategy for him. Can this be a +EV thing to gamble on? If so, are there any good resources for a beginner to use to get started?
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Old 03-29-2009, 07:50 PM   #5
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

Never would have choose the 6 in a million years and he got second.

Boom goes the dynamite.

The favorite didnt even hit the top5!!!

The bet paid over 20k.

WOW
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Old 03-29-2009, 08:41 PM   #6
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Weird this was posted today as I was just about to ask about horse racing. My friend in Vegas was talking to some old guys who seemed convinced it was beatable and I guess they sold him on it, outlining some seemingly simple strategy for him. Can this be a +EV thing to gamble on? If so, are there any good resources for a beginner to use to get started?
Kevroc could help you out on your resources question better than myself. As for the +EV question,absolutely! Just like anything else,if your commited,disciplined,and learn from your mistakes,you have a chance.

What was your profit for the day Kev? Just kidding,lol. About as much as my Dunkirk,huh? I sure could pick the place horses yesterday.
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Old 03-30-2009, 01:28 AM   #7
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Weird this was posted today as I was just about to ask about horse racing. My friend in Vegas was talking to some old guys who seemed convinced it was beatable and I guess they sold him on it, outlining some seemingly simple strategy for him. Can this be a +EV thing to gamble on? If so, are there any good resources for a beginner to use to get started?
I tend to believe that the game is beatable (I say "tend" because while I have booked winning seasons in four of the last five years.. the sample is still too small, imo) but, it is a long term endeavor that may take awhile to bear fruit. The money comes from windfalls. I do not believe the bettor that plays everyday is going to beat this game long term.

I believe you must pick and choose your spots. It is the quality of the wagers, not the quantity of them. The takeout in our game is very large and difficult to overcome.

Personally, I watch just about everyday and only wager in the large pick four pools from California (if i have opinions) and when the pick six carryover pools reach over 100k (the dead money, causes extreme value here.. example: I hit a pick six in 2006 that paid $61k that if you played a parlay involving those six winners.. it would have totalled around $12k!!)

For handicapping, I recommend all Andy Beyer's books and for wagering strat, I strongly recommend Steve Crist's "Exotic Betting".

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What was your profit for the day Kev? Just kidding,lol. About as much as my Dunkirk,huh? I sure could pick the place horses yesterday.

LOL, got excited for a second when Chantel's 13:1 bomb got a head in front at the top of the stretch but, my other main runners did not run a lick and I missed this one by a mile... A TURF MILE at that!!
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Old 03-30-2009, 04:49 AM   #8
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I've made a living off and on for 3 years and none of my profits are from windfalls. Rebated ROI around 10%, win bets only over a 3K sample. There has been more off than on though because the time investment is enormous (and because poker is easier). There are a select few that can make money betting daily win bets / exactas using PPs only (as a computer capper I only believe in their existence because I know one of them). The vast majority of people making any money at horse racing are using custom software. The widely used software programs (e.g. HTR) tend to evaporate the typical inefficiencies before much money can be made.
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Old 03-30-2009, 06:14 AM   #9
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Ah yes, I forget we live in the times of bonuses and rebates.

Bishop is a long time poster and much respected, so I believe it when he says he has beaten the game as a daily player.

I contest that this is the minority of winners but, fact is that it can be done.

As for the programmers scalping exacta pools and such, that is another discussion.. I think OP was talking about your regular handicapper.

Kudos Bishop for being able to pull it off.. the takeout is a beast to overcome.

+EV situations DO EXIST in our game, so that is why I contest that the game can be "won" when you get down to it.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:03 AM   #10
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

Two questions for you:

1) Has Larry Jones lost his mind training Friesan Fire up to the Derby? I love this horse and am trying to keep an open mind. (I already have $$ on him in the futures!)

2) Anybody here ever run a syndicate? I am selling $25 shares to friends and family and will likely have anywhere from 40-80 shares to play with in the Derby. Any advice would be nice.

At this point my biggest concern will be hitting a big signer and dealing with tax troubles...
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:27 AM   #11
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I've never run a syndicate per se but, I've had up to six partners at a time on big p6 carryovers where we would go like 500 each and make 3k worth of tickets.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:53 AM   #12
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I've never run a syndicate per se but, I've had up to six partners at a time on big p6 carryovers where we would go like 500 each and make 3k worth of tickets.
That sounds like fun. What was your agreement for taxes should you have hit for say $100,000?

I have never known enough horseplayers willing to pool money. LOL. We are always disagreeing about one horse or another.
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:37 AM   #13
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That sounds like fun. What was your agreement for taxes should you have hit for say $100,000?

I have never known enough horseplayers willing to pool money. LOL. We are always disagreeing about one horse or another.
One guy was senior citizen.

I was the 'capper, they were the backers.

I cave under pressure apparently, as we only had 5 of 6 like a gazillion times.

FML
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Two questions for you:

1) Has Larry Jones lost his mind training Friesan Fire up to the Derby? I love this horse and am trying to keep an open mind. (I already have $$ on him in the futures!)

2) Anybody here ever run a syndicate? I am selling $25 shares to friends and family and will likely have anywhere from 40-80 shares to play with in the Derby. Any advice would be nice.

At this point my biggest concern will be hitting a big signer and dealing with tax troubles...
My answer to part 1 is,no way. FF is a beast,and LJ is great trainer and knows his horse better than anyone else. I also have him for $200 in the future at 7/1. Interested in I Want Revenge performance this weekend in the Wood also.

Part2, I guess thats a personal preference,like Kev says you certainly can make a larger ticket when it comes to Pick 6's,but man you have to trust who your dealing with and the questions about taxes etc better be answered and agreed upon before hand.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:25 AM   #15
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Can't you assign the winnings to a group of people and each person has their own tax form. Most likely the same deal when groups of employees win the lottery.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:08 PM   #16
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I cave under pressure apparently, as we only had 5 of 6 like a gazillion times.

FML
We could spend a long weekend recounting these stories.

I once missed the first leg of a pick-6 at the Meadowlands with my two selections in the race running place and show! It paid one winner $133,000. My two 5-of-6's didn't even get my investment back.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:49 PM   #17
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Thurs 4/2/09 @ Santa Anita
It looks like a decent card for a Thursday,no real bombs i like,but some mid priced plays look right today. Didnt cap the 1st 2F sprint,dont like 1/4 horse racing myself. Going to play rolling doubles from the 2nd to the 8th,and the late pk4. If i have time i will come back and give my exact plays,not always using all 3 picks,but will be the ones i give. Home game today so not sure if i will be back till after 6pm pst. Good Luck

2.) 5-4-3
3.) 2-4-6
4.) 7-2-8
5.) 9-7-12
6.) 7-4-3
7.) 3-4-1
8.) 7-8-9

My son sent me a text from school and asked me what the definition of self-esteem is. Told him its something you want your sister to have a ton of,and the girls he dates to have none of,was that wrong? LOL give me a girl with a big azz,good hygiene,and no self-esteem,and she can have the money!
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:00 PM   #18
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We could spend a long weekend recounting these stories.

I once missed the first leg of a pick-6 at the Meadowlands with my two selections in the race running place and show! It paid one winner $133,000. My two 5-of-6's didn't even get my investment back.
One time in 2007, I was chasing the $1 pick 7 at Woodbine.. the carryover carried for like a week.

I was 6 of 6 and had two runners in the last race.. I was the only ticket alive to 101k.

I led every pole and ran outta gas a 1/16 out.. got second.

I still think of that one. FML.
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:47 PM   #19
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Re: HORSE RACING THREAD

kevroc

anywhere you know of that offers fixed odds on US horses, Im in Aus so no restriction on books
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thinking about going to santa anita on saturday but if i can't will still want to wager on the SA derby and maybe surrounding races. what site/software is best for wagering, and where can you get a live stream of the races?
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:25 PM   #21
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I use youbet.com there are a bunch out there.
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:39 PM   #22
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it has live video too. honcho thank you for the 4 in the 6th. great hit on the pick 4. right now i am watching aqueduct and gulfstream. i follow your picks though. i mostly use the crist method.
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Ok kept track for Kev today,but wont be a regular thing for sure. Usually i just wait till my account hits a certain amount,then i cash.

1st off whoever goes to Santa Anita live Saturday for the Derby,MUST MUST MUST,get pics of the Hawaiian Tropics models and post some pics in this thread,just a MUST DO!

Ok to the #'s rolling doubles cost $68,made $76.20=$8.20 profit,woo hoo!
Late Pick 4,cost $81 (all 3 picks,usually how i go weekdays) made $258.10= $177.10 profit. So $185.30 profit on the day. Take it for a Thursday.

Not sure of forum rules,but will give info on live feeds,and wagering sites per PM. Not looking to get a referal or junk like that,just doing someone a solid.
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it has live video too. honcho thank you for the 4 in the 6th. great hit on the pick 4. right now i am watching aqueduct and gulfstream. i follow your picks though. i mostly use the crist method.
Cool,your welcome,and thanks!
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kevroc

anywhere you know of that offers fixed odds on US horses, Im in Aus so no restriction on books
I dont play offshore but, I think I heard somewhere that betus had fixed odds.. not sure though, sorry.

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thinking about going to santa anita on saturday but if i can't will still want to wager on the SA derby and maybe surrounding races. what site/software is best for wagering, and where can you get a live stream of the races?
I use twinspires for live tote and will pays, they have a button for race replays and they claim to have feeds but, honestly.. I have TVG and HRTV so I never watched the feeds.

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