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Old 07-17-2021, 01:15 PM   #1
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Golf futures ruling (curious to hear thoughts)

I had a future on Will Zalatoris to miss cut at the Open. He played round 1, then withdrew due to injury. It was graded as a push. Based on my conversation with my book, they said the player had to play two rounds for the bet to have action.

This is the rule in their book they referred me to. (Rule 3)

No where in the bet slip does it say player must complete two rounds. To me, this should be graded a win.

Is this the correct ruling?




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Old 07-17-2021, 06:43 PM   #2
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Re: Golf futures ruling (curious to hear thoughts)

6/ is conditional on the whole tournament so the highlighted part doesnt matter
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Old 07-18-2021, 06:45 PM   #3
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Re: Golf futures ruling (curious to hear thoughts)

You bet on him to miss the cut and he did not. A push is definitely fair and correct in this case, but I’d rule this wager as a loss before I’d ever rule it a win.
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Old 07-18-2021, 07:29 PM   #4
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i don't find it quite as clear-cut as ntnBO but i tend to think "push" is a good outcome for you.

surprised they don't spell it out clearly in their rules.
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Old 07-18-2021, 07:34 PM   #5
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You bet on him to miss the cut and he did not. A push is definitely fair and correct in this case, but I’d rule this wager as a loss before I’d ever rule it a win.

Well he certainly didn’t make the cut…so I don’t quite understand how this could in any way be ruled a loss. He withdrew after round 1, thus he did not make the cut line. That seems to me a like a missed cut.


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Old 07-18-2021, 07:37 PM   #6
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i don't find it quite as clear-cut as ntnBO but i tend to think "push" is a good outcome for you.

surprised they don't spell it out clearly in their rules.

This I agree more with. A push can be justified I guess…but the rules state once he tees off round 1, it has action. He did not play day 3, thus he missed the cut to play (as far as I am concerned).

Anyways, In situations like this, the book does reserve the right to rule as they see fit. I guess A push is what to expect anytime the ruling isn’t clear.


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Old 07-18-2021, 09:39 PM   #7
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Re: Golf futures ruling (curious to hear thoughts)

If the bet is to "not make the cut" then you have a case.

He clearly did not make the cut. It is also common for players who have no chance day 2 to make cut to w/d. To grade these as push/loss can only mean the outcome is not binary, which most bettors would not agree with.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:54 AM   #8
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If the bet is to "not make the cut" then you have a case.

He clearly did not make the cut. It is also common for players who have no chance day 2 to make cut to w/d. To grade these as push/loss can only mean the outcome is not binary, which most bettors would not agree with.

At the very least, the bet should say “golfer must play two full rounds for action”

I didn’t even think of that scenario. I’ve seen golfers self-destruct then WD for sure. It’s hard enough to beat the books with juice…now they can rule on these scenarios unilaterally.


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Old 07-19-2021, 10:09 AM   #9
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Re: Golf futures ruling (curious to hear thoughts)

You win Sir
He did Not make the Cut.
Imagine how this could be exploited
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Old 07-19-2021, 02:11 PM   #10
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most people i talked to said it should be a "win"...

i definitely think at low $$$$$ bet, just pay you the "win" money

for bigger money, it gets more complex...... but i think "miss" vs. "make", this is obvious a "miss".....was WZ legit injured or bad day 1 (plus moderate injury)? would he have kept playing if he shot 67 on opening day? too lazy to google.
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Old 07-20-2021, 02:26 AM   #11
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most people i talked to said it should be a "win"...

i definitely think at low $$$$$ bet, just pay you the "win" money

for bigger money, it gets more complex...... but i think "miss" vs. "make", this is obvious a "miss".....was WZ legit injured or bad day 1 (plus moderate injury)? would he have kept playing if he shot 67 on opening day? too lazy to google.

He was -1 after day 1. He would’ve likely made the cut line (+2). He swung from the tall grass on a shot and had a bolt of nerve pain in his arm or shoulder so it was a legit injury.


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