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08-08-2015 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by StarG
I don't fully understand your 2) answer:



Correct me if i am wrong. You say that if you compare the different betting options of an event and choose the best of them, you will have a better expected value bet. I obviously agree on that.

Can you eloborate on the last sentence? Thx
Yes. But they are highly correlated. Some bets are perfectly correlated. IE DRG +110 and DRG +105.

If you had an unlimited BR, you'd just keep betting everything until there was no edge. Most professionals use some basic math to weight their portfolio without delving into intractably hard problems. (Kelly staking tournaments for example.)
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08-08-2015 , 12:15 PM
I see, good point.
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08-10-2015 , 01:52 AM
Considering plays on Classic, KT Ace match (don't see why Zest is a substantial dog to anyone on SKT) and a few others but havent fired anything yet. I did like the sOs line but it's gone now, in theory I think the DRG line isnt that bad but I don't like betting against Maru so i'll leave it alone. The Reality and Bravo lines can't be that bad as underdogs in TvT either. Stats is in a bit of a slump but is tempting too in a PvZ vs Dark as a dog given it's Stats best matchup
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08-10-2015 , 04:42 AM
Steam getting pretty intense on Bbyong vs Reality match with no other matches really steaming hard... Lots of money coming on Bbyong; can someone keep an eye on it in case I can't in case it gets out of hand and we're seeing match fixing 2.0? It's not conclusive yet but the most suspicious line move i've seen in a long time

Bbyong at -260 now and still steaming, if he gets beyond -350 we're starting to get to conclusive territory given the players form/skill etc there is no reason for Bbyong to be a bigger than -200 fav ever
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08-10-2015 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Steam getting pretty intense on Bbyong vs Reality match with no other matches really steaming hard... Lots of money coming on Bbyong; can someone keep an eye on it in case I can't in case it gets out of hand and we're seeing match fixing 2.0? It's not conclusive yet but the most suspicious line move i've seen in a long time

Bbyong at -260 now and still steaming, if he gets beyond -350 we're starting to get to conclusive territory given the players form/skill etc there is no reason for Bbyong to be a bigger than -200 fav ever
This would be a good bet on reality with those odds but I am scared there is fixing involved and pinnacle won't refund. Something to note is that the limit is very high which means the line needs more money to move.

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Right when the lines came out I took:
CJ @1,45
Zest @1,93

Last edited by StarG; 08-10-2015 at 05:32 AM.
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08-10-2015 , 06:04 AM
I just got on CJ -1.5 at -119

No way I would EVER take that given the matchups but I suspect either the Bbyong/Reality game is a fix or Reality has some sort of wrist injury or whatever that we haven't heard about - given Skyhigh's in better TvT form than Bravo (granted vs not the best opponents) and CJ Hero should beat Hurricane, ill take the ZvZ/TvT flips on Byul and Sky going 1-1 and bank on CJ Hero and Bbyong getting the job done.

Note again this bet is mostly made because of the Bbyong/Reality steam

There was a bit of sOs steam late here but not too unexpected given bigger name + Jjakji's awful recent performances in televised matches vs Protoss (he did beat Stats but Stats imploded for that to happen)

Was so close to taking DRG vs Maru at +250ish, so hard to bet against my fav player though even though objectively I knew it was good. DRG's ZvT is legit and Maru's in a bit of a slump (although still deservedly the favourite)

I'm trying to figure out who Jinair should send in the ace match against Curious and drawing a blank right now if it goes to ace which it's quite likely to from here

Watching the stream in Korean due to twitch being horribly laggy but youtube being fine for me for some reason
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08-10-2015 , 06:26 AM
Jjakji is so good at building leads then losing the late game. Very entertaining game though, sOs held on barely for so long
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08-10-2015 , 06:34 AM
You could also call this a huge throw by jjakji. He was nearly 50 supply up and then lost half his army and svc to dts.

Big stream on trap.
Expecting a cheese from trap since bomber doesn't scout usually.
edit: Big stream on bomber not trap.

Last edited by StarG; 08-10-2015 at 06:43 AM.
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08-11-2015 , 03:52 AM
Bomber has a bigger fanbase and was a dog, and just won a TvP to get into Code S so wasnt too shocked at that steam

Tempted to fire SKT today; I put a little on SKT -1.5 +208 but no big plays

May also play Classic dont see how TY beats him too often even though TY's in solid form

Stats is tempting as a dog but after his wtf last week dont know if I can
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08-11-2015 , 04:53 AM
Going with a half unit on SKT -125 and a quarter unit on SKT -1.5 +208 for today

Prime have two favourites today, Keen and Yoda. Pretty tempted to fade Yoda due to his tendency to throw but dont have funds on any of the books that have lines for that match

Side note I think this is the first time I have ever bet on SKT against KT from memory; SKT are my least favourite team in PL since they're the juggernaut we love to hate, so they'd better win the one week I have money on them
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08-11-2015 , 07:55 AM
Well that was a weird match (Horror vs Yoda). It's like they were both trying to lose. I'm confident neither of them will win another game for the remainder of the season.
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08-28-2015 , 11:54 AM
Here we go again? Violet fixing? ML stayed @even money for like 3 days. And just about 20 mins before the start this started happening -



Looks legit
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08-28-2015 , 11:57 AM
Yeah, there is also a reddit threat:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/c..._win_map_1_vs/

pinnacle just put the bets offline 20 min before the start.
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08-31-2015 , 04:05 PM
I've stopped firing esports bets for large amounts in general lately, until the industry is cleaner at least. Just firing small sweat bets here and there on matches where there hasn't been huge movement
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09-06-2015 , 12:22 PM
Proleague round finals have enough at stake that there shouldnt be any fixing hopefully + only first match is known since all-kill format

Fired to win 1u on Sbenu +2.5 vs KT -143

First player is Flash. Flash loses to Zergs and one of DRG or Curious should take him down if he beats MMA, which he's favoured to do, but MMA is still 35-40% probably in a bo1

Biggest worry for Sbenu is Zest as he could easily all kill but I assume they'll use him last as ace or at least third, and Stats and Life are not in good enough form to get an average of 2-3 kills imo, and not sure TY is consistent enough to plus I doubt they use TY.

If I have to pick a median outcome i'd put the line at KT -1.5 so pretty happy with Sbenu +2.5 at -143. I somewhat like Sbenu -1.5 as well, but decided to play the 2.5 line rather than the 1.5 line

Unless KT send out Stats or Life second and no one can beat them the bet should be good - I like DRG and Curious to get two wins between them, and the Sbenu terrans get maybe half a win between them on average. Sbenu will need DRG or Curious to have a big day and a surprise win from MMA or Bomber or Leenock (I assume they'll field Bomber or Leenock over Jjakji as their 4th) to get over the line.

I do think KT win but would play Sbenu +319 over KT -400 for sure if I was playing a ML side

Did a little math just then and decided to risk 1u on Sbenu +3.5 -405 as well, I don't think Flash is +405 to all kill, Flash needs to be -233 in all 4 maps for that to be breakeven on average and he certainly isn't against DRG, and almost certainly isn't vs Curious, and isn't -300 vs anyone individually

Final plays

1.5u to win 1.05u Sbenu +2.5 games -143
1u to win 0.24u Sbenu +3.5 games -405
0.05u to win 0.16u Sbenu ML +319


I'll probably also play the DRG ML against Flash at evens or better in live betting if the map is reasonable for Z
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09-07-2015 , 10:59 AM
1.62u to win 1.5u KT Rolster -108 vs CJ Entus

Was waiting for first matchup announcement to pick a side, definitely think KT got the best of it - TY's TvT is better than Bbyong's and he has a good record vs him lifetime. This also means Flash (if they field him) and Zest can be saved to kill herO and Stats can be used to kill Byul

I had this as a flip, but think KT are closer to -130 favs given the way the first matchup has fallen, IF they make smart coaching decisions.
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09-08-2015 , 08:05 AM
Leaning KT +225 vs SKT but not enough to fire this far out without knowing first MU etc - SKT are def the favs, but not by that much I don't think

I also added to win 0.5u on TY -130 last minute today in the first map vs Bbyong so had a good start to PL finals
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09-12-2015 , 05:46 PM
Ended up taking KT +1.5 games at -138; wish i'd trusted my read and got on the KT opener, Billowy may very well snipe Stats but he's unlikely to get 2 wins, and Zest should be good for at least 1 win, and the remainder of the team should be good for at least 1 win so that's 3 wins there. Surprised SKT aren't going with a soO/Dark/Dream/Classic/Innovation combination, two of those players need to be rested now while KT can use Stats/Zest/Life/either Flash or TY depending on the situation (how can you rest TY after all killing last week too)
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09-15-2015 , 03:26 AM
As much as it'll make me sad as a Jinair fan, there's likely to be value on opening KT lines for end of year finals. Pretty sure KT should be value vs CJ too and maybe even vs SKT although they'll be using their big guns in the grand final.

I'd like to see Jinair make a run at it, but I don't think their players are in the form to do it, if Maru/Trap/sOs/Rogue/Cure bring their A game they're a chance against anyone but i'd probably take KT at evens right now. Will be interesting to see where the lines open.

R4 finals went well for me, won every bet except the Sbenu ML as big dogs, Both Sbenu HCP lines, KT, TY and KT HCP all came through
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09-17-2015 , 06:53 PM
On Zest for a unit at +116 today. Think he's a small fav vs Innovation given current form
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09-18-2015 , 01:54 PM
2k is enough for them to suspect fixing? How little is wagered on these games lol?
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09-18-2015 , 03:47 PM
DraftKings announces daily fantasy eSports, starting with LoL: https://www.draftkings.com/lp/esports
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09-20-2015 , 01:00 PM
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DraftKings announces daily fantasy eSports, starting with LoL: https://www.draftkings.com/lp/esports
can u place bet for me?
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10-18-2015 , 08:41 PM
I haven't been active for a long time now.

I am not surprised by new matchfixing news:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/star...or-matchfixing

Let's see who is involved.
Yoda and prime coach so far.
I can't say I am surprised.
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10-19-2015 , 06:25 AM
Well, Yoda and B4 were on our list

Will be interesting to see whether the others include Super, Innovation, San, Marineking, Soulkey and all of our other suspected fixers

Back on topic im hoping Pinny releases lines to win WCS Finals before the tourney, might take a stab on sOs if we can get +1000 or so and couple other players I might fire
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