Hyun roaches >>

True 3-0'd Hyun in last DH and has a 7-0 against Hyun in maps in the last 3 months. I think -120 is a good spot. I supose it is bo5 but I'm not sure since Liquipedia is on maintenance.

Fantasy hitting a new low, i am not sure if he is fixing or something, or just in general does not care anymore

i considered betting on bboong because the odds were at 5.9 which is totally ridiculous for a bo3. Now i am sad i didn't go through with it.

Always fade fantasy under pressure even against likely match fixers who are also terrible?

Pretty lol, and wtf is a ptitdrogo and why did he just make the final i'd better tune in for this (haven't watched any of this tournament but his run is impressive for an unknown foreigner)

Losira might win this without facing a single Code S level player but would be cool to see a foreigner win it

escort betting

Ptit has only dropped maps to stardust in groupstage 1.

Very impressive run indeed. In Europe he is known for his extremly solid PvZ. I took him +1.5 against hyun, but 3:0 just wow.

Took Losira -280 here for a half unit because it's a bo5 and B4 is terrible and Losira has legitimate proleague level ZvZ, and B4... doesn't. I didn't see the Fantasy game, but i've made more money fading Fantasy than any other player lifetime i'm pretty sure in any individual league pressure situation he's a notorious choker relative to his skill level

Good start up a game, expecting a 3-0 a lot here

Thoughts on final line? Obv Losira is fav, but where is the line set, Losira -2.5 maps or something in a bo7?

i think ptit is the favourite here. Losira's PvZ is terrible. I have only seen him win with cheese this year in pvz.

lines are out.
I bet big on Ptit spread on +2,5 +1,5 1st map

I think he should win if he doesn't choke.

glad i faded foreigner in the final

the quality of these games are lol though

ps. Oh its actually bo7

I usually see more value in small favs than dogs in Proleague, this week it's the opposite for me

Ended up taking

Bravo vs Dark +269 (love this one think he's at least 38% and maybe as high as 45%)

DRG +170 (think he's close to even money with Flash esp on the map)

Departure +232 (best MU and Byul has on/off days in ZvZ and bo1 - first time i've ever bet on Departure, literally ever, think he's a small enough dog in reality that theres value)

MVP +361 vs CJ (less talented team; but they're live in all four matches and the matches have fallen well for them except for Blaze vs Hush, but Blaze is playing ok even vs a PvP specialist and its bo1, and the other 3 bigger dogs are all live stylistically)

MVP +1.5 +155 (see above)

Also might take Samsung +1.5 if the price improves, Reality if he drops back towards even money, can't decide on Life so decided not to, same with Stats despite Jjakji looking so bad last week and may take Gumiho if price improves a little too, same with Seed but effectively have both with MVP bets anyway

Everything else lines seem about right.

Hoping MVP can have two big weeks in a row and that DRG can beat down Flash and would be nice to see Bravo perform too

I also think that this week a lot of the big names are overvalued. I ll wait and see if the lines get more extreme before i consider betting against the favourites.

its crazy how losira went as low as -170 vs pitdrogo

LOL ridiculous

anyone betting on counter strike matches?

i've been doing fairly well the last month or so. mostly just betting underdogs and underdog spread on each map with teams i'm familiar with.

5dimes finally has some esports action, so im making some small bets on TI5 matches for fun:

CDEC Gaming +100 0.25u
MVP Phoenix +125 0.25u
Vici Gaming -210 0.25u
Virtus Pro -165 0.25u
Invictus Gaming -225 0.25u

Added small bets on Gumiho +205 and Seed +213; Seed despite being overrated imo had a bunch of close series with Gumiho and Bbyong isn't the force he was a few months ago; obv Bbyong is the favourite but I don't think Seed wins less than the 32% or w/e he needs to at that price for my bet to be ok in a bo1; same with Gumiho; obviously CJ Hero is much better than him but CJ Hero is in a minor form slump so i'll fade him in a bo1; Gumiho is a capable player and while he's a mech specialist overall and mech isn't suitable to TvP, he may be able to catch hero with a timing, obviously if it goes late he's a pretty big underdog but for the first 15 mins or so Gumiho is on even footing at least

Also took Reality -119, his TvZ is solid and he did beat Impact fairly recently. I think DRG/Bravo are bets of the week at the prices I got but trying to spread my money around a bit this week given how many dogs i'm on.

List for PL so far this week

Reality -119
Bravo +269
Seed +213
Gumiho +205
Departure +232
DRG +170
MVP +1.5 +155
MVP +361

I would have jumped on reality of it wasn't Iron Fortress he was playing on. I am pretty sure we will see bio from him on that map. Not sure how comfortable he is with bio. Still considering betting last minute on him if the odds get better though.

Zero upsets today, all the dogs were garbage

yeah indeed. My bet on cj put me on even again.

Blaze was a slight dog, but obv didnt take him.

Yeah, utter garbage as you said, only Bravo performed decently at all, pretty frustrating given I almost always take favourites and liked the dogs today and they all just lose

Hopefully DRG can get a bit back for me tomorrow or it'll be my only 0-for proleague week I can ever recall, although graneted I only had 2.5u in play in total this week (0.55u of which is on DRG)

Hi guys,

After TI groupstage I started to test my betting skills and I've been wondering about some of these questions:

1. Are there people who specialize solely in esports betting?
2. What kind of volume can you achieve in a month (# of +ev bets)?
2.1 Spread among how many disciplines?
3. Should esports betting roi be a bit higher than traditional/popular sports?

And maybe anyone can share their statistics so far (discipline, # of bets, roi)?

From the beginning of the TI 2015 groupstage (3rd of August) I've made 40 bets and achieved 18.21% roi. I've made most of my bets on the underdogs and if I understand correctly I could have lost a little bit or made very good returns. So happens I'm somewhere inbetween at the moment.

1. Yes. I acutally don't know anyone who bets both on esports and on other things professionally. I think you really need to know your niche very well to make money. I doubt you can make money without knowing the scene very well.

2. I don't want to talk about my own volume. You have to consider though that since the roi is usually quite low you have to put in the volume to make it worth while. I analyse a huge amounts of bets. The bets i take in the end are a very low amount, maybe 50 a month.

2.1 Only starcraft 2 for me

3. I don't know anything about traditional sports. What I do think is that if you find a niche market (can be also a tradional sport, e.g. regional or not the highest league) the roi should be better. There is probably less competition from professional bettors but also less volume. Keep in mind that this is only my assumption I have not seen any statistics on that topic.

Roi varies heavily for me. Just to give you a dimension I would say 5%.

I feel like I run at 3-4% long term in sc2, check earlier in this thread I recorded a bunch of bets and won something like 18u from memory, and in the old best bet thread I won about 30u over 800ish bets when Wiper ran the best bet thread a couple years back

I know a guy who crushes Dota2 betting, personally I only specialise in SC2 and I have other priorities at the moment so only capping/making a few bets a week, mostly on Proleague

1) Yes.
2) Dependent on a huge amount of things. Many things will be highly correlated. IE Map 1, spread, ML; and are not actual independent events. Also adjusting for unique bets rather than differing prices is an issue.
2.1 Obviously more sports = more bets.
3) If you are poor, yes. If you are any good, it should converge to the same 1-3% every pro realizes. (Barring a few niche bettors.)

I don't fully understand your 2) answer:

Correct me if i am wrong. You say that if you compare the different betting options of an event and choose the best of them, you will have a better expected value bet. I obviously agree on that.

Can you eloborate on the last sentence? Thx